Hank Croslin Jr Talks

[WillenFan21]

I just want HaLeigh home safe with her family.

of course and that too. I won't both of those things.

 

[cajun]

With this stuff coming out I bet you that she went and babysat anyway after Ron told her not to.

Babysat for whom and how did she get there?

 

[cajun]

Who is WBG?

White Boy Greg or G. Page

 

[Donjeta]

I don't understand how Tommy placing himself at the scene can be NEW information.

I mean, Ron called him and asked him to check on Misty and the kids, right? Assuming he's a normal father who wouldn't lie to LE who are searching for his child and who wouldn't try to protect his teenage sitter/lover if she hurt his child he told this to LE straight away, and LE would have had his phone records too. LE must have asked Tommy about it right away, so why is this NEW information? LE must have known that Tommy was placed at the scene that first night. That might be what that mention of Tyler came from. So did Tommy tell them that he saw Misty home at ten earlier or that he didn't go or what? Did RC check with him later, before he left work? Why did Ron never, ever mention that he had reason to worry about Misty not being well or not being at home on any of the tv shows he did in which he was asked about the possibility of her being out. Why did TN and AS deny the possibility of her being out so adamantly on TV? They must have known that Ron had some reason to suspect there was something wrong. Why did they back up Misty's story if they knew or at least must have suspected there was a good chance that it was BS?

 

[elle1919]

It gets us a heck of a lot closer though. I don't know about anyone else but I have a feeling that Misty is going to end up breaking. I hope Nancy Grace covers her tonight & has Ron on. I would love to know what he thinks now.

I disagree. I have a feeling Law Enforcement has had this information from Hankjr. If Hankjr just told LE about this last week then why haven't we seen any charges for hindering an investigation? Not just any investigation but a missing and possibly dead child.

I am sorry I have just been following this case so closely everyday for 7 months that I don't want to set myself up for another let down.

 

[faefrost]

Like I am going to take the word of an alleged thief? Not a chance! Tommy is the one playing CYA now. He will say or do anything to keep himself off the chopping block, imo.

By the way, did anyone catch this in the Palatka Daily News article this weekend?:

Search Moves to Mondex (watch video here)

Published: Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:49 AM EDT

Officers also have interviewed Ronald Cummings numerous times. Both he and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, have been cleared of suspicion in the disappearance, authorities say.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt BBM

While Hank's statements in and of themselves would probably be questionable (just as any early lies he told are), this current one bears a little examination. Regardless of Hanks propensity for truth and reasons for covering his own , this piece does seem to fit in with a few other things that we do know.

1. Ron and Misty had a huge blowout on the phone. Misty wanted to leave the house to "babysit", after a three day bender of booze and drugs. Ron said no. (probably suspecting she was going out someplace to party some more).

2. Ron did call Hank at some point between this arguement and Misty's call that led to the 911 call. It is not unreasonable to suspect that Ron wanted someone to go check if Misty was in fact in the house.

3. We have statements that track back through TM that Misty's bed had not been slept in.

Add to this a few interesting leanings on things from LE and you start to get a pretty clear feeling that they do not believe for a minute that Misty was home or that this in any way involves a stranger or unrelated party.

- LE clearly was seeking witnesses that Misty was out and about that night. The way they asked left little doubt that they were sure she was out and were simply seeking to track her movements.

- LE just put this statemenet from Hank out into play. Hank or the family did not do it themselves. Given how tight lipped LE has been throughout, it is pretty safe bet that anything they are actually saying pretty well matches the theory they are working on.

- LE did not notify the family and in particular RC about this weekends search themselves. This is almost always always a clear sign that they strongly believe that it is not a stranger related crime, and that the person of interest is a close member of the family. As such they do not want to compromise investigation information through that person directly or indirectly through another family member.

There is one big bullseye for this investigation. Chances are it is not directly Hank. Although it is deeply disturbing exactly how much Hank and by implication RC rather obviously knew about Misty's whereabouts prior to even that initial 911 call.Given that this has never been publicly stated or comunicated to those searching for Hayleigh it is absolutely chilling.

It all comes down to exactly what were Misty's action that night? Where did she go? Where did she take those kids? Did she harm Hayleight herself? Did she trade Hayleigh to someone for drugs? Was her absense from the home when she was out partying or when she was disposing of the poor little girl? I am sorry but there is no happy outcome or possibility in this for Misty. She is in it up to her underaged drug addled eyeballs.

 

[elle1919]

I don't understand how Tommy placing himself at the scene can be NEW information.

I mean, Ron called him and asked him to check on Misty and the kids, right? Assuming he's a normal father who wouldn't lie to LE who are searching for his child and who wouldn't try to protect his teenage sitter/lover if she hurt his child he told this to LE straight away, and LE would have had his phone records too. LE must have asked Tommy about it right away, so why is this NEW information? LE must have known that Tommy was placed at the scene that first night. That might be what that mention of Tyler came from. So did Tommy tell them that he saw Misty home at ten earlier or that he didn't go or what? Did RC check with him later, before he left work? Why did Ron never, ever mention that he had reason to worry about Misty not being well or not being at home on any of the tv shows he did in which he was asked about the possibility of her being out. Why did TN and AS deny the possibility of her being out so adamantly on TV? They must have known that Ron had some reason to suspect there was something wrong. Why did they back up Misty's story if they knew or at least must have suspected there was a good chance that it was BS?

All of the above is information that would have better helped the public adequately understand how to best search for Haleigh.

eta......which tells me what I have really thought all along. Law Enforcement does not need the public's help to solve this case..What they need is evidence.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Iirc they didn't want the public searching for HaLeigh

 

[harleysnana]

You know I can completely agree with that! But, why wouldn't LE come out and clear him as a suspect then? Same with Crystal? In my opinion that is why this case hasn't been solved yet. Lots and lots of room for public opinion. When all this speculation is going on and rumors start building no one trusts each other anymore. Even us here, as a crime forum have become so divided because Law Enforcement couldn't clear anyone......especially the parents....They haven't even said that Crystal is cleared. WHY? I mean I understand that if they have questions about a person they can't clear them......but, what I wish I could ask LE right now is......What have you done to clear the parents from your suspect list so attention can be focused on the rest of the people involved?

I'm not sure why LE has not cleared them... maybe that is part of their plan?
I mean... is it possible they don't want the suspect to know who is cleared
and who is not?
I could see them holding back clearing the parents so that the
suspect feels safe thinking they are not focused on the suspect.
LOL... hope that makes sense!

 

[Donjeta]

I wonder what Ms Nancy thinks now.

GRACE: To Ronald Cummings, Haleigh`s father, who is with us tonight taking your calls live. Ronald, has the theory that Misty left the home some time during the night been disproved?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I`m not sure. I believe that it has, Nancy. I`m almost 100 percent sure, but I wouldn`t say that and lie to you. I`m pretty sure it has been disproved.

GRACE: Do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, Ronald?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely not.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

 

[faefrost]

I think people are missing the fact that it doesn’t matter what Ron tells
the media… NG… etc.
It matters what he tells LE and the truth is that NO one knows what he has
told LE and it is possible that LE has told him not to give out certain details!
Just because we haven’t heard what Ron tells LE does not mean he isn’t telling them
anything! IMO

Here is the problem with that. ALL of the searches have pretty much centered on the home. There has been no information given to the public or the searchers that the start point of the search would or should be anyplace other that the home. The water near the home was searched and every tree bush and pile of dirt in the vicinity of the home was searched exhaustively, for days, and by alot of people, both LE and civilian. Yet this information seems to indicate that Ron may have known that the child was not in the house prior to that 911 call.

Does anybody else see a HUGE problem with this? And yeah this also goes to why LE has not "cleared" anybody in this as of yet. Ron and Crystal high on the list. While they probably do not believe that either was directly involved in the harm or disapearence of the child, there are some serious questions concerning exactly who knew what when, and how this knowlege may contradict what has been given to investigators.

 

[cajun]

I disagree. I have a feeling Law Enforcement has had this information from Hankjr. If Hankjr just told LE about this last week then why haven't we seen any charges for hindering an investigation? Not just any investigation but a missing and possibly dead child.

I am sorry I have just been following this case so closely everyday for 7 months that I don't want to set myself up for another let down.

We haven't seen any charges yet for Ronald on the rat thing either, that was over a month ago. The wheels of justice might turn slow in PC. Plus, it's up to the state's attorney to charge or not charge. He's in jail so it's not like he can go anywhere.

 

[Donjeta]

Well, it's been seven months and they haven't charged Misty for hindering the investigation yet although she probably hasn't told them a true word yet. At least, I don't think that they have but she's a minor,so....

 

[cajun]

I wonder what Ms Nancy thinks now.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html

We don't know if what Tommy is saying is true or if he's lying his butt off about that night. I mean why didn't he come forward with this info back in Feb. instead of waiting till he got thrown in jail? Hinky

 

[WillenFan21]

Do you guys think this theory is possible? Haleigh wakes up in the middle of the night & when she realized that Misty was gone got scared of being in the dark then got up and ran off outside towards the train tracks which is why her scent ended there? Maybe she got taken by someone down there. IDK just a thought.

 

[WillenFan21]

We don't know if what Tommy is saying is true or if he's lying his butt off about that night. I mean why didn't he come forward with this info back in Feb. instead of waiting till he got thrown in jail? Hinky

Maybe he got put under pressure or thought to hell with it im in jail already I might as well come out and admit everything.

 

[Donjeta]

We don't know if what Tommy is saying is true or if he's lying his butt off about that night. I mean why didn't he come forward with this info back in Feb. instead of waiting till he got thrown in jail? Hinky

Why didn't Ron and Misty come forward with the info that Tommy was there, supposed to be checking on her because Ron was worried? Because it would have pointed the fingers at Misty, not an unknown SO. It might be that Tommy lied for the same reason, if he lied. To protect Misty.

 

[scandi]

It gets us a heck of a lot closer though. I don't know about anyone else but I have a feeling that Misty is going to end up breaking. I hope Nancy Grace covers her tonight & has Ron on. I would love to know what he thinks now.

I don't know if I could handle his little 'Miss Nancy's'.

I thought Tommy, Joe and one other guy - maybe the AC man, were at the house the evening Haleigh went missing. That would mean he was already one of the last to see her alive.

What I have been stewing on since I saw this thread today is what was so unusual that made Tommy think there was no one home?

If it was after bedtime they would all be sleeping so it would be what he should expect. The light was always on when they slept acc to Ron. Maybe it was off and that would be odd.

But there has to be something that alerted him, other than that which he expected. I'd love to learn what that was. xox

Whoops! Forgot to say Hi WillenFan ;}

 

[Kat]

ITA!!

It IS breaking....if LE can get close enough to the truth, they may offer one of them a deal. IF that happens, the birds will be singing. Answers will be pouring out faster than we can digest them. Actually, I shudder to hear the truth about who knew what and how much. I think I might be sick.

Hi beach2yall.

I wanted to add something because I agree with you on the singing like birds.

Kind of Off Topic:
I'm of the opinion that the cast of characters that orbit Haleigh's case~ can be viewed as a sort of cast of characters that involve themselves with petty crimes (petty in the legal sense not the literal sense), misdemeanors and a felony here and there.

What I'm trying to say is I really think this crew has some info. It might not be direct info, or again, it might be~ but the thing is this- given they tend to be in and out of jail quite often~ I think that there is the possibility that when one of them gets snagged and is facing some serious jail time~ that's when they will sing for a plea or reduction in sentence. KWIM?

I hope that's not the only way we are going to hear info out of this crew. JMHO.

 

[Donjeta]

Do you guys think this theory is possible? Haleigh wakes up in the middle of the night & when she realized that Misty was gone got scared of being in the dark then got up and ran off outside towards the train tracks which is why her scent ended there? Maybe she got taken by someone down there. IDK just a thought.

Maybe she'd have attempted to go to Tommy's place? Got lost in the dark?

But they said she was afraid of the dark and wouldn't go out alone so would she have stayed home with all the lights on or woken Jr. up to go with her?