Hank Croslin Jr Talks

[SeriouslySearching]

Could of been a simple if there isnt a problem you don't need to call me back, or Tommy could of called RC and said Misty was home she just has phone turned off. We just don't know - and to take the statement of someone sitting in jail who could very well be covering his own behind as fact and state that RC knew all along Misty was not home is just too far reaching for me. Until we see phone records we are not going to know IMO

The phone records are going to be the real "key" in this investigation.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have so many questions and with every bit of information that comes out I am more confused.

When you can't trust LE or the media...it is a problem.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't personally believe Art would publish such a bald lie, nor do I see how saying Ron told him the bed hadn't been slept in, there was dirty laundry in the dryer, and he married Misty to keep his enemy closer could be so badly misconstrued by accident.

Didn't Tim confirm this, when he said he had no reason to lie? Or was that about another statement he made that upset the Cummings?

I have seen AH print many of what I consider to be fabrications or rumors gone wild...some of which he had to retract because of that whole pesky "truth" issue, imo.

 

[curvecuti]

I don't personally believe Art would publish such a bald lie, nor do I see how saying Ron told him the bed hadn't been slept in, there was dirty laundry in the dryer, and he married Misty to keep his enemy closer could be so badly misconstrued by accident.

Didn't Tim confirm this, when he said he had no reason to lie? Or was that about another statement he made that upset the Cummings?

Art also said RC "has been taken off the suspect list and cleared," (In response to comment #21) So, do we believe everything he says or just pick and choose? I now take them all, PCSO included w/ a grain of salt.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/19/putnam-county-pond-search-tied-to-haleigh-cummings-tips/#comments

 

[LFlorida]

When you can't trust LE or the media...it is a problem.

Yeah, but try to imagine how flipped out the perp(s) must be feeling right about now, because he/she/they don't know half of what's going on. [We know even less.]

Just my point of view.

 

[LFlorida]

Busy, I want to make a huge banner with your 2nd sentence.

May I also recommend that everybody beware of info from twits?

btw -The twit comment is NOT directed at you or anybody else in particular.

The rat incident is another whole can of worms. I don't take comments from AH blog as fact at all. I find it strange that all the other statements Tim Miller has made have been backed up by an audio. Tim Miller has also been on interviews and hasnt stated this. I will have to wait to hear this from Tim Millers mouth myself as seen way too many things stated as fact and then when it comes down to it that isnt what was all said. Perfect example was what was reported by Tim Miller (suposedly) with regards to TNs phone messages and once the messages were put out there they were not at all what had originally been reported. Was reported that RC told Tim Miller about the 35,000 - yet when audio came out nope that isnt what happened so I am a bit leary when people say Tim Miller reported something, until I hear an audio. As TES says if you do not hear it from Tim Miller directly and only read it on the net don't believe it.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yep, yep ... draining the pond, releasing this bit of information ... they're trying to sweat someone out, I think.

Umm- yes, that would be Misty, I think...

 

[Muffet]

Search Moves to Mondex (watch video here)

Published: Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:49 AM EDT

Officers also have interviewed Ronald Cummings numerous times. Both he and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, have been cleared of suspicion in the disappearance, authorities say.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt

Art also said RC "has been taken off the suspect list and cleared," (In response to comment #21) So, do we believe everything he says or just pick and choose? I now take them all, PCSO included w/ a grain of salt.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/19/putnam-county-pond-search-tied-to-haleigh-cummings-tips/#comments

Art and other reporters, in this case and others, have been notorious in this and in other cases for mistaking "not a suspect" as meaning "cleared," and in this case they have been saying it since well before Ron's own lawyer admitted that that Ron was not cleared.

So, the above article is nothing new, and when it comes to whether or not a person has been cleared or not, it's wise to wait for LE to say it themselves. Their saying "not a suspect" is meaningless, as I think we can all agree after following so many other cases.

On the other hand, Tim Miller said that Ron told him Misty's bed had not been slept in, there was dirty laundry in the dryer, and that he married her to keep his enemy close - those are very distinctive comments and claims - quite different from mistaking "cleared" with "not a suspect."

 

[butwhatif?]

Hi beach2yall.

I wanted to add something because I agree with you on the singing like birds.

Kind of Off Topic:
I'm of the opinion that the cast of characters that orbit Haleigh's case~ can be viewed as a sort of cast of characters that involve themselves with petty crimes (petty in the legal sense not the literal sense), misdemeanors and a felony here and there.

What I'm trying to say is I really think this crew has some info. It might not be direct info, or again, it might be~ but the thing is this- given they tend to be in and out of jail quite often~ I think that there is the possibility that when one of them gets snagged and is facing some serious jail time~ that's when they will sing for a plea or reduction in sentence. KWIM?

I hope that's not the only way we are going to hear info out of this crew. JMHO.

ITA! And I believe they are the' ratting out' type rather than the ones that will take the fall and keep their lips sealed to protect their kin.

O/T ....Also their illegal dealings would make it highly likely that they would have more that one cell...the other untraceable cells being the pre-paid type. I dont think we can rely on the cell records that Le have as the only calls made by any of the players.
JMO

 

[lizzysf]

I think it may be triangulated... Misty left the kids while they were asleep to go party... Ronald calls Hank Jr to look for Misty... Hank Jr goes to the MH... Goes in.. Finds the kids asleep and Misty gone... Takes Haleigh..

Ron may know Hank was involved.. but Hank has something on Ronald so they aren't talking.

Misty may know that Hank Jr was at the MH and knows she wasn't there..she may know that Hank took Haleigh but isn't talking.. she doesn't want Ronald to find out she wasn't there.
I think they all know and are covering for each other.
The heat is now on Hank and he is trying to pin it on someone else..

Just sayin'

 

[elle1919]

Search Moves to Mondex (watch video here)

Published: Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:49 AM EDT

Officers also have interviewed Ronald Cummings numerous times. Both he and Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, have been cleared of suspicion in the disappearance, authorities say.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt

Your preaching to the choir on that one SS. I say this with all due respect because I truly do not understand how everyone can profess to trust Law Enforcement and the job that they are doing but then not trust the statement they give about the parents.

 

[Muffet]

Maybe I'm too simple.

The way I see it, we have had evidence for months (as posted in this thread) that Misty is a liar, LE saying they have verified that she wasn't doing what she said, and that the evidence doesn't support her story, and has failed numerous polys. Tim Miller saying even Ron doesn't believe her story.

On the other hand, we have no evidence that Tommy is a pedophile, except Misty's saying he (and two other men) "messed with her."

I'm trying, but having real trouble understanding why I should choose to believe the theory with the least amount of evidence to support it.

 

[febedallas]

yep and said he messed with her

could you be more specific? messed with her in what way and when?

 

[Muffet]

Your preaching to the choir on that one SS. I say this with all due respect because I truly do not understand how everyone can profess to trust Law Enforcement and the job that they are doing but then not trust the statement they give about the parents.

Show me where Law Enforcement ever used the term "cleared" and I'll be happy to believe it.

I've looked and looked, and all they ever said was that they were not considered suspects. LE says that all the time about people we know they suspect, so it's meaningless. And Ron's own lawyer said he wasn't cleared, fhs.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

If someone comes to my home, and I'm in bed asleep. I am not answering the door. Especially if I am in a deep and heavy sleep. Does that mean I wasn't home? because they did not get an answer? Also,if Misty was not at home, as people think (or Hank is implying)...would not the back door have been "bricked" open? So she could get back in?

 

[Muffet]

could you be more specific? messed with her in what way and when?

She didn't specify. She said that phrase when she was taking the Voice analysis. I can't remember if the result of that statement was reported.

 

[elle1919]

Do we know what time the non emergency call from 116 Tyler took place? I am wondering if we are now getting close to finding out what that call was all about. I would love to see those phone records. What time is RC said to have called Hankjr? Do we know if it is before the 116 Tyler street call? Because if....and that is a very big if.....we dare to believe that Hankjr did go over there and knock on the door, perhaps one of the Croslins called the non emergency line then.

Don't forget we heard that RC called the home phone and not Hank jr's cell. Perhaps he was eavesdropping and heard RC thought Misty was gone from the trailer and he mosied on over to get the gun back that Ronald sent Misty after in the culvert days before.....Perhaps Haleigh saw him? Something happened he hurt her....I don't just trying to make sense out of this....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If someone comes to my home, and I'm in bed asleep. I am not answering the door. Especially if I am in a deep and heavy sleep. Does that mean I wasn't home? because they did not get an answer? Also,if Misty was not at home, as people think (or Hank is implying)...would not the back door have been "bricked" open? So she could get back in?

To be honest, I think the front door was left unlocked. No one has ever stated it was locked to my knowledge...only the backdoor that Ronald checked before he left for work.

With the type of plastic lock on the back screen door, Misty would not have found it necessary to put the cement block by the door for re-entry. I still think this was done to facilitate taking Haleigh out of the house by the perp.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe I'm too simple.

The way I see it, we have had evidence for months (as posted in this thread) that Misty is a liar, LE saying they have verified that she wasn't doing what she said, and that the evidence doesn't support her story, and has failed numerous polys. Tim Miller saying even Ron doesn't believe her story.

On the other hand, we have no evidence that Tommy is a pedophile, except Misty's saying he (and two other men) "messed with her."

I'm trying, but having real trouble understanding why I should choose to believe the theory with the least amount of evidence to support it.

Can they can come up with the truth about everything she has said to prove she lied about it all? I know there are "inconsistencies", but perhaps not outright lies from her about everything she said. There are things people consider as lies that I cannot find anything solid as evidence to say they are accurate in their assessment. Yes, she may have lied about not leaving...it is possible...but no one except Tommy has indicated it.

If she was with someone else then why isn't he/she talking? It isn't going to be a problem for them if they were not around Haleigh at the time she went missing so why not dish on Misty? Misty did not have a vehicle so if she was gone someone came to get her. Who?

I do believe she told the truth about the red truck and Tim found the truck which backed up her story. There are other things which appear to ring true in her version of events from the videos of the tests, imo.

I do think she told the truth about her cousin and her brother messing with her, but no one except them will ever know the real truth behind it. It is he said/she said. A jury/judge found the other person guilty and put him in jail which tells me she wasn't lying about him plus they must have other proof.

 

[Montana]

If someone comes to my home, and I'm in bed asleep. I am not answering the door. Especially if I am in a deep and heavy sleep. Does that mean I wasn't home? because they did not get an answer? Also,if Misty was not at home, as people think (or Hank is implying)...would not the back door have been "bricked" open? So she could get back in?

I normally would not answer the door if I was in bed even if I was not yet asleep. But if the knocking continued and sounded urgent I would answer.

Also, if one of my relatives was concerned about me, they would be calling my name or saying who they were as they were knocking to get my attention. Of course, then I would answer.

Regards,

Montana