Hannah Graham: Remains Identified

[klily444]

The idea is-- his parents called him the "gentle giant" because actually, emotionally he's not 32. He's the guy that still circles the Dairy Queen http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/24620587.jpg in his football jacket when his colleagues have graduated college, married and are having their first child.

BTW-his mother has moved already. I watched the interview with her neighbors. I'll post the link when I find it.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/neighbors-of-jesse-matthews-mother-speak-out-about-multiple-investigations/29263116

Where is this coming from that his parents said he was "a gentle giant"? If the parents did say that, I'd love to see a link, and to know whether it came from the mother or the father, but I've only seen this statement come from others in his past in the media.

 

[SteveP]

It is easy to look in hindsight at things that could have been done or should have been done when it comes to finding a missing person, but honestly, finding Hannah after only 35 days, with apparently no help at all from the perp, especially given the topography of the area, is nothing short of amazing, imo. You don't have to look farther than these very many threads on this site to realize how very, very rare that is. It took 3 times as long to find Morgan. It took 3 years to find Holly Bobo, and she was found very near where she went missing from. Lauren Spierer has been missing for over 3 years and still hasn't been found. Brittanee Drexel has been missing for 5 and a half years, from a major vacation area, and hasn't been found. Sierra LaMar, 2 1/2 years, still not found. Kelli Bordeaux, missing over two years before finally being found when the perp led investigator directly to her remains. Mickey Shunick, found in Aug, 2012, after almost three months, only bc the perp led investigators to her remains. I could go on and on... what LE did in finding Hannah in 35 days is outstanding, imo. Were there a few missteps along the way? Probably. They are all human. But my hat is off to them. Very well done, to this point. Now let's hope that all the work left to be done is done equally well. JMO

 

[makista]

Where is this coming from that his parents said he was "a gentle giant"? If the parents did say that, I'd love to see a link, and to know whether it came from the mother or the father, but I've only seen this statement come from others in his past in the media.

I posted it before but I'll find it.

With the arrest of Jesse Mathew Jr., friends are coming to his defense -- calling him a "gentle giant." People who went to school with him for years cannot believe he’s guilty of abduction with intent to defile. More likely, they say, he left town because he was terrified.

http://wvtf.org/post/friends-jesse-matthew-continue-their-support


For a big man, he’s as gentle as they come,” his dad said.

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/24/interview-with-dad-of-jesse-matthew-junior-abduction-suspect-in-hannah-graham-case/

 

[ksj3]

Thank you for the article. I see how that would completely be invasive and racially profiling in many ways.

I guess what I don't see is how the Fairfax case would be racially profiled? They had DNA and she gave a description. Meaning the DNA matched after MH.

Ah, I went off on an unnecessary tangent. In re-reading what you were responding to, I think what you're asking is what racial profiling means in this case. I think what Conductor was trying to say was they knew his "racial profile," i.e. that he was African-American as opposed to any other race. Therefore, they knew the MH/Fairfax perp was African-American.

How that would help them initially think this had anything to do with Hannah's abduction/disappearance, such that they would "rule out" WG, I have no idea. They didn't, until they searched JM's car/apartment, have any idea Hannah's disappearance was in any way linked to MH or Fairfax (as far as we know).

 

[Skigirl]

Where is this coming from that his parents said he was "a gentle giant"? If the parents did say that, I'd love to see a link, and to know whether it came from the mother or the father, but I've only seen this statement come from others in his past in the media.

His father said it or something very close to it... I know it's customary to post links when we attribute quotes to people...but the link has already been posted a couple times.

 

[ksj3]

His father said it or something very close to it... I know it's customary to post links when we attribute quotes to people...but when the link has already been posted a couple times.

"He's as gentle as they come."

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/24/intervie...nior-abduction-suspect-in-hannah-graham-case/

 

[klily444]

Here is one of the quotes about the cottage. "THE PROPERTY CONTAINS ONE HOUSE AND A COTTAGE ABOUT 100 FEET AWAY. THE COTTAGE IS CURRENTLY BEING RENTED FOR 800 DOLLARS A MONTH. THE HOME IS IN GOOD SHAPE BUT IS UNOCCUPIED."

What date was that written? Could have been many months ago. I am sure where you got that quote, from Zillow maybe??

 

[klily444]

If your interested in reading four different versions of Mr. Pugh's story, please see my post #1038 on Page 42 of this thread where I have posted the links.

It sounds like Mr Pugh isn't a very reliable source and maybe we shouldn't be putting too much focus into what Mr Pugh said and when.

 

[Charlie Chan]

It was Dave Hansen, former Assistant Pastor and friend of Jesse Matthew, who coined the phrase "gentle giant" in an inteview.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-bond-for-abduction-suspect-in-university-of-virginia-missing-case/

"I always thought he was a gentle giant, just a nice guy," Hansen said. "He seemed genuine with his faith and spirituality. ... I don't see him doing this at all, but that's usually the case, I guess."

Hansen said he's only kept up with Matthew through Facebook but ran into him at the university's medical center within the last year. He said the soft-spoken Matthew greeted him in an elevator with a high-five.

 

[ILOKAL]

It sounds like Mr Pugh isn't a very reliable source and maybe we shouldn't be putting too much focus into what Mr Pugh said and when.

I've been thinking the same thing. I think what bothers me the most about his inconsistencies is the ones that he is not simply mistaken about, but in my opinion he outright lied about.

 

[LI-Mom]

Date rape drugs really don't have the same effect. Stun guns work immediately, when you need it to work!

A stun gun wouldn't go unnoticed in a bar setting I would think, they make a snapping sound. Plus, I looked them up and they are nothing like a taser such as police use. Stun guns seem to cause pain but not lack of muscle control. I just read a forum about them and the consensus was they're worthless for defense or incapacitating someone but fun to play with when you and your friends are drunk. You can watch videos on YouTube of people getting stunned, I didn't see anyone get incapacitated.

Tasers have the two prongs that shoot out and those do incapacitate but only for about 30 seconds. They require a felony background check. I doubt JM would go for that, there would be a record of it. Unless there's a black-market for them, I don't know.

Both are legal in Virginia. Only stun guns where I live. I learned something new today, thanks.

 

[Charlie Chan]

What date was that written? Could have been many months ago. I am sure where you got that quote, from Zillow maybe??

I quoted it from a news source. Trying to find the link now. It was NOT quoted from Zillow or any realty site. It was definitely from a newssource (who could have very well gotten THEIR info from Zillow!)

 

[klily444]

His father said it or something very close to it... I know it's customary to post links when we attribute quotes to people...but the link has already been posted a couple times.

Thank you. I am very interested in what the women in his family would say about him, and I believe that, aside from the statement through Camblos made the day the remains were identified, the sister and mother have been pretty hush hush. Not criticizing them, as I would do the same, but I think we will glean a lot more information about his views on women in general and relationships with them, from the mother, sister and ex girlfriend. Now this has morphed into a post that belongs in the What We Know About JM thread, so I'll stop there.

 

[hambirg]

To the issue of whether Hannah was drugged, I believe she was for no other reason than JM taking her back to Tempo and forking over $7 for her beer.

He risked being seen in public with her. He paid with a card that leaves a paper trail. I don't know the average price of a beer in a bar in Charlottesville, but $7 is pretty pricey where I live (Puget Sound area.) JM apparently didn't have money to burn.

There had to be a strong motivation for JM's behavior. It was risky and pricey. The only reason that makes sense to me, is so that he could put something in Hannah's drink to incapacitate her. He certainly didn't do it to enjoy friendly conversation and get to know Hannah as a person.

MOO

ETA- if JM was going to taze Hannah, why take her to Tempo at all? He could have done that right there on the mall.

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[3filles]

I've been thinking the same thing. I think what bothers me the most about his inconsistencies is the ones that he is not simply mistaken about, but in my opinion he outright lied about.

I'm not sure if you are referring to video taped interviews or ones in print. I would just like to say, in defense of anyone ever interviewed by a journalist, before jumping to the conclusion that the person quoted has lied or been deceptive... Remember that the person assembling the story has their own agenda, whether it is to "punch up" the story or present a certain point of view... Not to mention all the other people who are involved in editing that story in one way or another before it reaches the public. Any one of those people is capable of making a mistake, misstating facts, misquoting a subject... I am always amazed at how many variations I can find in stories involving simple auto accidents.
I would hate to be called a liar based on how a journalist presented my story ( no offense to journalists!)
I must admit that I am not local and do not know the people or the area so perhaps you are working from more hard facts than me.

 

[Jmm124567]

Where is this coming from that his parents said he was "a gentle giant"? If the parents did say that, I'd love to see a link, and to know whether it came from the mother or the father, but I've only seen this statement come from others in his past in the media.

The father said it in an interview and he said his son wouldn't hurt HG. He is in denial. I wonder if they ever tried to get help for JM after that second rape accusation. I can see a parent thinking there son is likely innocent after the first accusation but a second one a year later should set off an alarm.

Someone wrote this on FB and I agree with it: "I do not believe for one minute that his family did not know there son, brother, grandson did not have issues. Trouble followed him. They know this!! If they are so caring and religious then they would come forward and tell the truth in his behaviors. I'm not saying they know he killed anyone I'm saying they know darn well he was not some great kid."

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What a terrible weekend for the Graham family. Heartbreaking that their daughter is gone.
I don't think JM drugged Hannah, I think she either knowingly or unknowingly had taken Molly or Ecstasy that Friday night. The kids do Molly to party all night, she appeared hyper on surveillance videos, and JM probably offered her something to drink when they met and a side effect of ecstasy is thirst and dehydration. She was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I just hope something is learned by all these college kids - that it is never ok to leave your friends or let them leave you. As for JM, LE is probably waiting to gather enough evidence to charge him with Morgan's death as well as Hannah's, abd they will be capital murder charges.

I apologize if this has already been addressed, been away from the thread and still catching up, but please provide any evidence supporting her taking these drugs knowingly.

AFAIK, there has been ZERO evidence of such reported.

I was just telling my friend yesterday that (although I grew up in the Mesozoic age many decades ago), I still clearly remember what it was like to be a teen and looked on with suspicion just because we were that age and adults just knew that at that age we were illicitly...doing whatever the news was reporting teens did illicitly.

Yeah, some kids do Molly or ecstasy or whatever. Not ALL kids.

Assuming Hannah did simply because of her age, without any supporting evidence is just mean and unfair and victim bashing, IMO.

ETA: And she doesn't look hyper to me on those surveillance videos.

 

[Charlie Chan]

The father said it in an interview and he said his son wouldn't hurt HG. He is in denial. I wonder if they ever tried to get help for JM after that second rape attempt. I can see a parent thinking there son is likely innocent after the first accusation but a second one a year later should set off an alarm.

Someone write this on FB and I agree with it: I do not believe for one minute that his family did not know there son, brother, grandson did not have issues. Trouble followed him. They know this!! If they are so caring and religious then they would come forward and tell the truth in his behaviors. I'm not saying they know he killed anyone I'm saying they know darn well he was not some great kid."

I agree....there are most likely more than a few people out there who now will come forward (and may have already) with puzzle pieces that will form an even more clear and disturbing picture of JM. Hopefully these pieces will lead to the solving of many of the other disappearances that seem to have an uncanny alignment with JM's movements/MO. I would imagine that LE will be seeking out , or are in the process of, talking with anyone who has had more than a passing relationship with him over the past 15 years.

On another topic...I'm still wondering who those ladies were in the video that high-fived JM just before he made the U-turn on the DM to follow Hannah.

 

[Jmm124567]

To the issue of whether Hannah was drugged, I believe she was for no other reason than JM taking her back to Tempo and forking over $7 for her beer.

He risked being seen in public with her. He paid with a card that leaves a paper trail. I don't know the average price of a beer in a bar in Charlottesville, but $7 is pretty pricey where I live (Puget Sound area.) JM apparently didn't have money to burn.

There had to be a strong motivation for JM's behavior. It was risky and pricey. The only reason that makes sense to me, is so that he could put something in Hannah's drink to incapacitate her. He certainly didn't do it to enjoy friendly conversation and get to know Hannah as a person.

MOO

ETA- if JM was going to taze Hannah, why take her to Tempo at all? He could have done that right there on the mall.

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How do you know he bought beer? And maybe he didn't drug her. Maybe murder was not even the first thing on his mind. He may have thought she would likely have sex with him consensually. I think he saw HG as some drunk, easy club girl partly due to the crop top she is wearing. I'm not blaming the victim I'm just saying a decent amount of guys who see a girl wearing a crop top walking through an area at 1am where there are a lot of bars are going to think she is some drunk, easy club girl. I truly don't think he would have murdered HG if she had consented I would think he would keep her around because she would likely have sex with him in the future. I don't think murdering is his thing I think sex is where he get's his thrill. He murders them so they won't tell on him like the two girls at the universities did.

 

[themom]

I hear you, but after they searched his car and apt, they found something which allowed them to file charges of abduction with intent to defile....so if she went willingly which I'm not saying she neccasarily didn't, what do you suppose they found that allowed them to file those charges if not evidence h had altered her state of mind, or restrained her? They must have found something that gives them reasonable proof she didn't leave willingly with him.

Not to discuss AM and RAT here at all, but am wondering if anyone recalls what evidence was found for RAT to initially be charged with Abduction with the Intent to Defile? I don't know what additional info they found to up that to muder charges...

Wanting to get an idea of what LE considers evidence for that charge, from a past similar case. It may give us an idea of what evidence they have on JM.