so 6 other people in the house are too many but 3 others, including the victim is ok? If he premeditated it, i'd expect he'd do it while pr was out somewhere.
If he had done that, he wouldn't have been able to try to set Patsy up as the killer, and it would have had to be at a time of day that might have had Patsy out of the house, usually regular daytime hours or early evening - not likely for an 'intruder'. Maybe could have staged it as an accident, or as Burke doing it accidentally, but wouldn't there have been way too much explaining to do - especially with regard to the sexual aspect?
to me premeditation means not just that it was thought out ahead of time, but that it's well thought out. This does not seem well thought out to me.
Remember,JRr was on regular prescription medication for depression. And, admitted by himself, was still experiencing deeply depressive times related to beth's death just prior to jb's death. Plus, narcissistic minds think that whatever they believe is right, is right. If JR's narcissistic thinking was clouded with medications, would he have been sharp enough to construct the perfect plan?
jar left boulder the 19th, specifically to spend christmas with his mother, so he definitely didn't have plans to fly to boulder for christmas.
Right, he already had plans to go to MI, since JR said he wanted them to use a commercial flight, to get cheap tickets, which would have required a two week advance booking, minimum.
as far as i know, there were no plans for melinda and her fiancee to fly to boulder for christmas. I've not heard one word about that from melisa over the years. (but maybe i've missed something) i suppose that if he invited mr he'd have to invite jar as well. I don't think there is any real reason to suppose that mr and fiancee would have gone to boulder if not for the trip to mi. It's possible, and maybe it was preemptive on jr's part.
If there was a desire for the family to meet the fiancee, why not a short stop in atlanta on the way to disney? Or invite mr and fiancee to join them in orlando? It accomplishes the same purpose (keeping them from coming to boulder) and makes for less travel for everyone.
Exactly - if it was going to be the regular sort of Christmas routine, with the trip to Orlando following, and the older r kids were able to set up a family meeting for Stewart Long, why not just as you would think - either Boulder or at one of the other places. Let's say early in December JRr is becoming convinced that JB must die - for whatever reason his mind believes. At about the same time, Melinda calls with the news that they can get a couple of days off at Christmas time and would like to come to boulder to have the official meeting of the fiance'. Jr, being the calm, collected one, responds that he'll talk to patsy and get back to her with plans. In the meantime, jr reasons that if he can get his older kids to plan to meet up with them in MN by commercial flight, then they'll all go to MI, he'll have a reason to have the plane all readied for a flight, and would not have to use it to transport them to boulder, but would have it available to use as part of the kidnapping plan (delivery of the ransom and dumping JB's body). If his plan would not have been interrupted, he could have convinced Patsy to take Burke (for their safety) on to MI as planned. Simple to call Archuletta and ask him to take Patsy and Burke on to meet the olde rR kids in MN in the
other company plane, because he had some unexpected business to attend to, and then would fly himself up later to join them. Patsy, of course, would tell everyone what had happened as they were enroute from MN to MI, swearing them all to silence.
imo, he never expected le to show up on the 26th because he never expected pr to make the 911 call.
Right, he would have had plenty of time to convincemPatsy to take Burke, go with Archuletta, and have everyone tucked safely away in MI, waiting to hear from him - and he would have had a good window of time to get the ransom money himself, and do whatever else he was planning to do in that time frame. By asking for his bonus amount as the ransom amount, he would have been able to get the cash himself during that day - just as the ransom note was demanding. Jr would have schmoozed the banker. I personally feel he would have stashed the money somewhere and went about spending it casually over the next years as pocket cash. Jb's body would have been flown somewhere and ditched.
there is an old saying about writing -"i didn't have time to make it short". The editing and revising usually end up chopping, not lengthening a piece of writing. Editing also ask "what do you mean by -----" the rn seems to me to have suffered from little or no editing. That's why it's so long and rambling, repetitive, and sometimes unclear. All of which is to say, had it been premeditated, it would have been shorter, and clearer.
Perhaps, but I believe JR was writing the note to appear as if Patsy wrote it in order to have her take the fall in a back-up plan in case something went awry.
the fact that there were both a body and a rn in the house makes it abundantly clear he did not expect police to be called in. If you're going to call police, you get rid of the body first, to effect the kidnapping scenario, or you leave it in plain sight, undressed, to effect the sex murderer scenario. You do not mix up your scenarios and present something that is a bit of both.
I agree.
as for getting the rest of his millions, i think it's unlikely. It presupposes he really wanted to flee to a jurisdiction that won't extradite. It's possible, but i tend to think he'd want to try to stay in the us and continue his business. You seem to be suggesting he premeditated a murder that he knew -because he thought it out- that he could not get away with. Hence the need to flee the country.
I believe JR thought he would get away with it. But, because of his business experience, he had to have a back up plan, (which I think was initially to let Patsy take the fall, thinking she'd probably succumb to ovarian cancer anyway) but because of his precarious emotional/mental state the possibility of having to make a lone escape might have also played in his mind. This is the part I don't think he had given much thought to, since he planned to make the kidnapping work.
jr. His phrasing and spelling are seen in various places in the note. Also had it been pr why in the word would she call police before the body was dumped? Jr should not have been ruled out - there was no scientific basis for that. The hand writing is not pr's.
I agree.
nah, he'd been through divorce before. He'd still have lots of money and many years ahead to make much more.
Yes, but this time, if he flew off into an unknown place, he'd be a murderer on the run and in hiding, so how would he access any he'd left behind or hope to make more very easily?
All just :moo: & my :twocents:
