Happenings of December 26

[Linda7NJ]

It is possible but I just don't see it. PR valued JB and got personal satisfaction when JB won beauty pageants. Why brutally murder her? It makes no sense. PR was not psychotic and she would have to be to have done it all like you say. I think there is another explanation, such as: BR delivers the head blow, parents hear the loud scream and discover what has happened. Parents decide to cover up for what BR has done. Both parents are involved in the staging but the most important and effective staging of all is done by JR, which is the garrote. It is their trump card that can be played at anytime: look at that. You know we couldn't have done that.

IMO JR became involved very late, after the note and after JonBenet was already dead.


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[DeeDee249]

What is the WC? I’m not familiar with that one. I know what room you mean, but I don’t know what WC stands for. Anyway…

Jonbenet was not disposed of. She was wrapped in a blanket and hidden in a windowless room in the basement of her home. This is an inarguable and universally accepted fact: the victim was not disposed of.

From the article you cite: The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children stated that most children killed by their mothers were always found close to home, while a child killed by the father is generally hundreds of miles away. http://tinyurl.com/k5fwgkg

Yes, Mr Ramsey’s perception was that his daughter had been wrapped in a caring fashion, but apparently her feet were exposed. I agree with the perception, but the actual picture leans towards a different conclusion.
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AK

WC means Wine Cellar. It's easier than typing it out all the time.

 

[Anti-K]

Did you not understand my post? Why cannot it be both staging and the murder device? If someone wanted not just to kill JB but to kill her in such a way as to point to a brutal intruder, then it is staging. Two birds with one stone. Kill plus stage. To a logical mind it makes perfect sense. It also makes the killer a cold blooded monster but the logic of doing it is flawless. Look to someone within the family with the capacity to think that way. Only one person fits.

No, I don’t understand it when people say that the asphyxiation was staged. Obviously, it was not.

And, I don’t understand it when people say that the garrote was intended to make it look as if a brutal intruder committed the crime. The unnecessary use of the paintbrush (plus breaking it and putting the broken end in the paint tote) contradicts that claim. And, the fact is that the use of the garrote doesn’t just look like the act of a brutal killer, but it was the act of a brutal killer regardless of who you think that killer might be.
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AK

 

[Anyhoo]

No, I don’t understand it when people say that the asphyxiation was staged. Obviously, it was not.

And, I don’t understand it when people say that the garrote was intended to make it look as if a brutal intruder committed the crime. The unnecessary use of the paintbrush (plus breaking it and putting the broken end in the paint tote) contradicts that claim. And, the fact is that the use of the garrote doesn’t just look like the act of a brutal killer, but it was the act of a brutal killer regardless of who you think that killer might be.
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AK

I don't agree with you that it was not staging, obviously or otherwise, for this reason: if the killer chose the method of killing specifically with the intent of deceiving LE, then that is staging by my definition. I already gave you an example. There were much easier ways to kill JB than creating and using the garrote and yet the killer ignored all of those easier ways and instead went to the trouble of creating a garrote and using it. If the purpose was only to kill JB, that could have been acheived in other less difficult ways. I contend that the garrote served a two-fold purpose: to kill and at the same time to deceive those who would be examining the body later. You can choose not to see this possibility because it goes against your intruder theory or you can at least admit it is possible, even if you disagree with it. No garrote had to be created for JB to be killed and yet the killer went to the trouble of making it. Why? It was for show. Even though it killed JB, it was STILL for show. Unlike other items that were taken, this item was left on her neck to be found because it was meant to be seen by LE. It had a purpose beyond merely killing the victim. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than this.

 

[Chelly]

Anyhoo. I share your theory and frustration. I believe BR had been playing sex games with JBD for some time. It went too far; she screamed. He bashed her on the head. Parents enter and take charge. They see JBR is close to death and immediately go into cover up mode. They want her sexual assault and murder to be as appalling as possible to take the blame away from them, thus the ligature strangulation and staging. In their minds, loving parents with their social stature would never be considered capable of such cruelty.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No, I don’t understand it when people say that the asphyxiation was staged. Obviously, it was not.

And, I don’t understand it when people say that the garrote was intended to make it look as if a brutal intruder committed the crime. The unnecessary use of the paintbrush (plus breaking it and putting the broken end in the paint tote) contradicts that claim. And, the fact is that the use of the garrote doesn’t just look like the act of a brutal killer, but it was the act of a brutal killer regardless of who you think that killer might be.
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AK

And to me the primary mode of murder if you ask me. It is unique. They could have beaten her to death, The garroting and strangling takes it to something different than a child abuse death. It takes it to premeditated murder. To a primary goal. IMO

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

There was no garrote.
There was no garroting.
IMO.

 

[Tawny]

There was no garrote.
There was no garroting.
IMO.

How does one deny the existence of something there is photographic evidence of? Something the entire world can seem to agree on the existence of?

 

[bettybaby00]

This topic confuses me :blushing:

:lol: wrong thread!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There was no garrote.
There was no garroting.
IMO.

There was indeed a garrote. And she was garroted.. Sadly there is no way to argue this when it was found with her hair entwined in the rope and stick.
There are pictures of it is and it is evidence. That is just a fact.

IMO

". The broken paintbrush used as a the garrote handle had Korea printed on it.""

From:
04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 41:
http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

 

[Linda7NJ]

There was indeed a garrote. And she was garroted.. Sadly there is no way to argue this when it was found with her hair entwined in the rope and stick.
There are pictures of it is and it is evidence. That is just a fact.

IMO

". The broken paintbrush used as a the garrote handle had Korea printed on it.""

From:
04-18-2000 Steve Thomas, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation"

Page 41:
http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

I believe a true garrote has two handles.

The hair of JonBenet entwined in the knot, shows me it was tied while on the child. Not before, like a real garrote.
IMO the paintbrush handle was used as leverage...


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[otg]

There was no garrote.
There was no garroting.
IMO.

I hesitate having to admit this, BB, but on this I agree with you. :facepalm:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I believe a true garrote has two handles.

The hair of JonBenet entwined in the knot, shows me it was tied while on the child. Not before, like a real garrote.
IMO the paintbrush handle was used as leverage...


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It is still a garrote. IT is called that in the evidence and called that by ST himself.

 

[otg]

It is still a garrote. IT is called that in the evidence and called that by ST himself.

So now you agree with, and use Steve Thomas as your authority? I know he used the word, but where is it stated "in the evidence" that "IT is called that"? (I'm gonna have to ask for a source for that one.)

 

[Tawny]

I use "garrote" for lack of a better word.

Rope knot tied device...? LOL

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

For lack of better understanding Smit called it a garrote.
It was not a garrote.
It was a suspension device.
IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

For lack of better understanding Smit called it a garrote.
It was not a garrote.
It was a suspension device.
IMO.

Steve Thomas also called it a garrote. And it is what it is. It was used to cut off her air supply.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

How does one deny the existence of something there is photographic evidence of? Something the entire world can seem to agree on the existence of?

Education.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

Steve Thomas also called it a garrote. And it is what it is. It was used to cut off her air supply.

Both ligatures have the same function and purpose; posing. It is a mistake to analyze the ligatures seperately.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It is still a garrote. IT is called that in the evidence and called that by ST himself.

I don't care if the Pope calls it that.
IMO it was nothing more than a rope with a stick tied onto the end of it, while the rope was already around her neck. It was used as leverage.




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