Happenings of December 26

[DeeDee249]

I'd love to hear it


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Me too. I'm pretty sure I can keep up.

 

[DeeDee249]

Based on thoughts I have long held about this crime. I may be setting myself up for ridicule for expressing them from people like you but I don't care. I have many theories about the crime and one of them is that the parents were hiding a dark secret. You are not ready to hear it and to explain it to you would be like throwing pearls before swine, so I shall not explain it to you. Maybe to someone else.

Try me. You'd be surprised what I am capable of understanding. PM me if you don't want to put it on the forum. I'll tell you what I think. Swine are pretty smart as far as animals go. (I do resent being called a swine, though.)

 

[Mama2JML]

you did it again. My comments are not religion based. They are based on the practice of the scientific method.

Post your theory, or a brief synopsis. I must admit, I find your analysis most intriguing, among all other RDI theories with which I'm familiar.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think everyone should be able to post their theories without fear or retribution. It may not be something we all agree with.. Heck. Nearly no one agrees with me.. :blushing: but that does not stop me from being a free thinker and sticking to what I find evidence of and what works in this case for me.

Please. Post it. Worst that can happen is that people may not agree with it.

 

[Venom]

I think everyone should be able to post their theories without fear or retribution. It may not be something we all agree with.. Heck. Nearly no one agrees with me.. :blushing: but that does not stop me from being a free thinker and sticking to what I find evidence of and what works in this case for me.

Please. Post it. Worst that can happen is that people may not agree with it.

Now SS, that's something I agree with you on. :seeya:
I like to read others theories. It could bring up something that someone never thought of before and open up new discussion. If you don't want to post it, would you consider pm'ing me it?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Now SS, that's something I agree with you on. :seeya:
I like to read others theories. It could bring up something that someone never thought of before and open up new discussion. If you don't want to post it, would you consider pm'ing me it?

Even on if I don't agree with all the other theories, I do sometimes find something I have never really thought about and it causes me to look and research different things to find an answer..

To make it work for my theory or change my theory to make sure it still fits within the evidence..

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

I have never seen anyone close to this case that has investigated it come up with the sacrificial lamb theory. I can't wrap my mind around an apparently normal family, with no history of abuse are suddenly going to sacrifice their daughter. Especially when absolutely no evidence surpports this.

One must not know the case well if one does not know about the Seraph Report or Hoverstock's bringing up Psalm 118 to investigators.

There was no "they", only Patsy was involved. IMO.

 

[Venom]

For anyone who is interested in BlueBottle's theory, I found these:

Can't get link to link.

http://www.seraph.net/?s=jonbenet+ramsey&search=Search

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...eys-killer-15-year-anniversary-retrospective/

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

A personality disorder comes first. Then there is an attachment to inner fantasy in replace of outward adaptation. The fantasy is fueled by imagery, artistic imagery of some sort, usually a story accompanied by a visual form. Then comes acting out on objects in the real world as if they belong to the fantasy. If things go far enough there is damage done to the objects but the psychotic convinces themselves they are creating not destroying.

The artistic imagery becomes Mythic as it becomes the center of the psychotic's mind. It has the power of the Gods but itself may not be of traditional religions.

 

[Linda7NJ]

A personality disorder comes first. Then there is an attachment to inner fantasy in replace of outward adaptation. The fantasy is fueled by imagery, artistic imagery of some sort, usually a story accompanied by a visual form. Then comes acting out on objects in the real world as if they belong to the fantasy. If things go far enough there is damage done to the objects but the psychotic convinces themselves they are creating not destroying.



The artistic imagery becomes Mythic as it becomes the center of the psychotic's mind. It has the power of the Gods but itself may not be of traditional religions.

You believe Patsy was psychotic or suffered a break?


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[Charterhouse]

BlueBottle, I know we have talked a little bit but I still don't know your theory.
Please post what you think. I find many of your posts to be very interesting although some I don't understand at all. But that is my problem not yours. Of course you will be judged like the rest of us. But, you are so confident in your thoughts something is bound to stick that could be a clue for us to follow.
I know about posting something that is unpopular or not to be believed. I just made that mistake in another area. The mods will help you delete stuff if you get too much slack or say something you should not have.

I did let my husband read our private PM he was very interested in some things that you spoke of. He thought it would be very interesting to study.

JMO, I hope everyone would be open to your thoughts where they can agree with them or not.

 

[UKGuy]

Based on thoughts I have long held about this crime. I may be setting myself up for ridicule for expressing them from people like you but I don't care. I have many theories about the crime and one of them is that the parents were hiding a dark secret. You are not ready to hear it and to explain it to you would be like throwing pearls before swine, so I shall not explain it to you. Maybe to someone else.

Anyhoo,
BBM: Surely they would pearls of wisdom, why not sow your pearls and educate the hoi polloi, shared we could improve our theories?

Also: just checked searaph.net and noticed that the profile sent to Det Ron Gosage from Dale Yeager is missing. This profile explicitly suggested that JonBenet was a blood sacrifice, and employed numerous references to the bible etc.

Whereas you can argue that the same references e.g. SBTC, are simply a reflection of PR's mind, as she attempts to rationalize away her daughters death and supply a MO?


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[UKGuy]

A personality disorder comes first. Then there is an attachment to inner fantasy in replace of outward adaptation. The fantasy is fueled by imagery, artistic imagery of some sort, usually a story accompanied by a visual form. Then comes acting out on objects in the real world as if they belong to the fantasy. If things go far enough there is damage done to the objects but the psychotic convinces themselves they are creating not destroying.

The artistic imagery becomes Mythic as it becomes the center of the psychotic's mind. It has the power of the Gods but itself may not be of traditional religions.

Blue Bottle 01,
Interesting ideas. Do you consider the Mythic aspect to have the power of redemption, as in a transpersonal adaption?

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[DeDee]

BlueBottle, I know we have talked a little bit but I still don't know your theory.
Please post what you think. I find many of your posts to be very interesting although some I don't understand at all. But that is my problem not yours. Of course you will be judged like the rest of us. But, you are so confident in your thoughts something is bound to stick that could be a clue for us to follow.
I know about posting something that is unpopular or not to be believed. I just made that mistake in another area. The mods will help you delete stuff if you get too much slack or say something you should not have.

I did let my husband read our private PM he was very interested in some things that you spoke of. He thought it would be very interesting to study.

JMO, I hope everyone would be open to your thoughts where they can agree with them or not.

There does appear to be a reluctance to not wish to reveal certain psychological hypothesis bc the topic is frightening for normal people to consider. It is safer, therefore, easier, for normal people to cast aside, reject, or not consider, that which frightens them.

One must only to be open to the possibilities of sociopathic behavior, personality disorder behaviors and the related disordered reasoning of the patient [PR].

BlueBottle has raised my curiosity, among several other areas, about the patterns perhaps by implying patterns are found in the themes from particular literature and art which join the patient [PR] to the crime.


OMO

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

BlueBottle, I know we have talked a little bit but I still don't know your theory.
Please post what you think. I find many of your posts to be very interesting although some I don't understand at all. But that is my problem not yours. Of course you will be judged like the rest of us. But, you are so confident in your thoughts something is bound to stick that could be a clue for us to follow.
I know about posting something that is unpopular or not to be believed. I just made that mistake in another area. The mods will help you delete stuff if you get too much slack or say something you should not have.

I did let my husband read our private PM he was very interested in some things that you spoke of. He thought it would be very interesting to study.

JMO, I hope everyone would be open to your thoughts where they can agree with them or not.

I think Patsy had Borderline Personality Disorder due to being raised by a mother that was a pathological narcissist. I think this caused her to identify with Muriel Spark and the characters in her works of fiction. I think this caused her to identify with JonBenet. I think Patsy became dissociative. I think Patsy objectified JonBenet and did things to the object as if doing things to herself by proxy. I think Patsy's sense of accumulated, unaddressed wrongs, i.e. sins, built up pressure as her 40th birthday approached. She feared judgement. She desired to cleanse herself before judgement. Unable to do this with herself she did it by proxy with the object. The negative aspects of herself were punished by execution and the positive apsects were sent to a God in a Heaven.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

Blue Bottle 01,
Interesting ideas. Do you consider the Mythic aspect to have the power of redemption, as in a transpersonal adaption?

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Exactly. Thus the theme of salvation and the likelyhood S.B.T.C is Saved By The Cross.

 

[Venom]

BlueBottle, have you ever come across any other crime where this has been present? i/e acting out of objects in the real world as though they belong to the fantasy and damage done to the objects.

I'm trying to follow your theory here. Would you say that PR was fanatical in a religious sense? If so, would that tie in with how she came to want to cleanse before her judgement?

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

BlueBottle, have you ever come across any other crime where this has been present? i/e acting out of objects in the real world as though they belong to the fantasy and damage done to the objects.

I'm trying to follow your theory here. Would you say that PR was fanatical in a religious sense? If so, would that tie in with how she came to want to cleanse before her judgement?

I always refer people to Red Dragon as a fictional/ based on fact example. Real cases would be James Holmes in the Aurora theatre shootings, Mark David Chapman in the Lennon killing, John Hinkley in the Reagan shooting, Harris/Kliebold in Columbine.

No she was not fanatical in a religious sense she was religious in a mentally ill sense.

 

[DeDee]

This may be as simple as it gets, folks. This could explain all of the explicable evidence that we, the viewing public, have been privy. This could be as close as it gets to what happened to JonBenet Ramsey on December 26, 1996. This is what the evidence has been telling me.

BlueBottle, I took the liberty of combining several of your statements into this one post. If you disapprove, we can alert the mods to delete.

i think patsy had borderline personality disorder due to being raised by a mother that was a pathological narcissist. I think this caused her to identify with muriel spark and the characters in her works of fiction. I think this caused her to identify with jonbenet. I think patsy became dissociative. I think patsy objectified jonbenet and did things to the object as if doing things to herself by proxy. I think patsy's sense of accumulated, unaddressed wrongs, i.e. Sins, built up pressure as her 40th birthday approached. She feared judgement. She desired to cleanse herself before judgement. Unable to do this with herself she did it by proxy with the object. The negative aspects of herself were punished by execution and the positive apsects were sent to a god in a heaven.

i have read all the major books on the case. I have talked with peter boyles, steve thomas, craig silverman, dan caplis, dale yeager, e-mails with boyles, thomas, charlie brennan, griffith, et. Al. And have contacts with local le (i live in a county next to boulder county co.).

The question is legitimate. The determination as to what is a lie is subjective unless supported by irrefutable evidence. It is too easy to say "the ramseys lied".

Picking out which is a lie and which is not is often guided by a bias toward a preconceived theory. Not to litigate the entire case but: It is not clear whether jonbenet was carried to bed asleep or walked to bed. It is not clear whether burke was up when the 911 call was made or not and the tape that is public does not help. It is not clear whether the report that john first saw the note when patsy handed it to him is correct or not. It is not clear whether the report that john found the body at 11 am is correct or not.

I have my suspicions as to what were lies but i leave the questions open ended. I am adamant about my theory yet i do not employ absolutism as to what was a lie and what was not.

When i ask someone to point out the lies i am getting at their theory and the next question is to provide the evidence to back up the theory. So often there is a failure to do so and people are left with their initial suspicions only to back up their conclusions.

This is not sophistry, this points out the difficulty of this case, the difficulty the grand jury faced when they could not determine who did what between john and patsy having seen much evidence not made public.

Moo.

... The psychosis was extended. The episode was one of dissociation.

... But in the interview she did not remember doing the set up herself as she was dissociated when she did it. IMO.

as an example: I think patsy did the whole thing alone. John may have never seen the "set up" that day and not even until he was shown crime scene photos and patsy denying the set up may be due to her repressing the memory or by whatever psychological mechanism is at work under dissociation. In this scenario neither lied. Moo.

the investigators made a mistake in assuming what was done to the body was staging, imo. They then dismissed much of the evidence as bad staging done by non-criminals using crime books and movies as source material not having experience themselves committing crimes.

<rsbm>

the fact that the use of the cords as i have proposed bring the arms to the exact postion they were described to be when found in the small room, imo, is no coincidence.

And it is at least possible that the "set up" was put together BEFORE JonBenet died and it is similar to a scene in a book Patsy was known to have used in her pageants.

from the prime of miss jean brodie:

"i think miss brodie is more interested in art, ma'am," said sandy. Pictures and drawings i mean. Said sandy. "miss brodie told us so. Music is an interest to her but art is a passion, miss brodie said." "i [miss brodie] do indeed," said miss brodie, "but 'like' is hardly the word; pictorial art is my passion."

patsy painted with oils and acrylics.

Patsy fed JonBenet happiness (pineapple) before she killed her. IMO.

Nobody said she was posed like an angel.

... Patsy had already attached the angel theme to JonBenet decorating her room in the angel theme and later suggesting people hang an angel (her words!) in the tree next to her grave.

I don't think the arms raised pose was angelic.

I don't think the corpse hung.

I don't think she spent any time studying or admiring what she did.

The wrapping of the body, duct tape and placement in the small room was a second "posing" as it set the kidnapping scenario up in Patsy's mind. <snip>

BBM

... the key to this case is the signature of this case and that is the literature tied to the case. That is the red flag that indicates this is not based on an accident.

ommho

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

Thank you ever so.