Happenings of December 26

[Anyhoo]

That quote to me just means that it had to be someone they knew. That he felt that it was someone who knew them and had access in some capacity.

Maybe he meant that. Maybe he meant something entirely different. Interesting how his own statement seems to point back to the family, just as so much of the evidence did. When you see a pattern repeated enough the chances of it being coincidental decrease exponentially. Last night for the first time I considered the possibility that this could have been a purposeful strategy on their part. In other words, purposefully point back to themselves to create the illusion that they were being framed by a malicious intruder for the murder when in reality they were innocent.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Maybe he meant that. Maybe he meant something entirely different. Interesting how his own statement seems to point back to the family, just as so much of the evidence did. When you see a pattern repeated enough the chances of it being coincidental decrease exponentially. Last night for the first time I considered the possibility that this could have been a purposeful strategy on their part.

Not in my opinion. Since you admit that there is no way to know what he meant for sure then how can it be used to judge him?

I don't see anything that points back to them in that statement.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't believe BR remembers precisely what happened. If your parents have been telling you something from the time you were 9, you probably wouldn't remember the true events because you trust in and believe your parents. His memory would be compromised at this point, IMHO. Everything he ''remembers'' probably had a "logical" (using that loosely lol) explanation attached to it by his parents.

ITA. Burke's memory has been whitewashed by not just his parents but also other family members. Their version of the truth will blame it on Patsy's illness or her medication.

There were two crimes committed. The chronic sexual abuse of his sister will continue to be swept under the rug of time.

JMO

 

[bettybaby00]

I think the Rs had in mind to try to point blame in as many directions as they could without actually naming just one person. The note bears this out, as it mentions a SFF, a disgruntled employee -JM-(by asking for a ransom in the amount of JR's Christmas bonus that year) and someone familiar with the family that would be in need of money (the housekeeper LHP).
Had they come right out and said .....did it, they'd have been sued for libel and because it wasn't true, they'd have lost- in addition to things coming out that they would not have wanted.
When JR made this specific comment, the person that I feel he intended to blame was LHP, their housekeeper. She needed money, having recently asked Patsy for a $2000 loan (which Patsy agreed to) she had a key, she was familiar with the family. They also felt LHP did not have the educational, social or financial means to fight back very well. She was a perfect "patsy" (no pun intended). She was the first name given to police, I believe, and the investigated her that same night, taking saliva and writing samples from her and her husband. He had helped carry up the artificial trees that were stored in the winecellar.

Terrible the hit list they conjured up :banghead:

And everyone bought the story b/c that's what we were fed......:banghead:

 

[Anyhoo]

ITA. Burke's memory has been whitewashed by not just his parents but also other family members. Their version of the truth will blame it on Patsy's illness or her medication.

There were two crimes committed. The chronic sexual abuse of his sister will continue to be swept under the rug of time.

JMO

Not that I really believe in MK Ultra, but from my reading and understanding of it, BR acts just like an MK Ultra child would. Does and says what he is told to and does not deviate. Acts almost like a robot instead of an actual child with human emotions and feelings. Very good at keeping secrets.

 

[bettybaby00]

The Ramsey's ever changing versions .....mind boggling!

A blast from the past...
http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm

Burke awake...


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:banghead::banghead:

My head hurts from these people...

The date of that interview was 2001...5 years after the death of their daughter, so nice of them to finally admit it....

:jail:

 

[MyBelle]

I tend to look at the ransom amount of $118,000 the same way the police did. It was the amount of JR's bonus that year, and that was a way to point some suspicion at one of Access Graphic's employees. JR gave a name right away- JM. Of course, he was quickly ruled out and I believe may have sued or threatened to sue for it.
I don't tie the bonus or ransom amount to any bible verse or psalm nor do I think it has any religious connotation. I look at it at face value- the near-exact amount (rounded off) of his bonus that year. Patsy claimed not to know what it was. Right. Patsy (and Nedra) were the types to have that bonus amount seared into their minds- they probably already had it spent! Like Nedra said-"we LOVE spending JR's money!"

Of course they did. It was the tech bubble. It isn't remotely believable that Patsy didn't know the exact amount of his bonus but she also seemed to believe that she was far above the unwashed masses of Boulder who would be awed by that amount of money. At that time, I worked for a tech company with a lot of employees in Boulder. Our future was rosy not because of bonuses but because of employee stock options. I remember one of my coworkers commenting how obviously bogus that ransom note was because it asked for such little money from a tech CEO.

There is no doubt in my mind that JR's reference to an "insider" was to point suspicion not at himself but at another employee and he did it because Patsy's ransom note pointed to him.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Not that I really believe in MK Ultra, but from my reading and understanding of it, BR acts just like an MK Ultra child would. Does and says what he is told to and does not deviate. Acts almost like a robot instead of an actual child with human emotions and feelings. Very good at keeping secrets.

I'm not familiar with an "MK Ultra" but BR was a child in a dysfunctional household clouded by mystery and death. I think the chances that he could possibly emerge into adulthood unscathed are slim.

JMO

 

[gramcracker]

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Project_MKULTRA.html

 

[Anyhoo]

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Project_MKULTRA.html

The MK Ultra I meant is more than just a defunct CIA program. Think brainwashing and human programming. I don't know if it actually exists but a lot of people talk about it. One of the pictures I saw of JB saluting screamed MK Ultra to me.

 

[DeeDee249]

:banghead::banghead:

My head hurts from these people...

The date of that interview was 2001...5 years after the death of their daughter, so nice of them to finally admit it....

:jail:

Of course, whoever is talking to JR during his comments never asked him why BR's voice could be heard on the tape of the 911 call if he was "nowhere near the telephone". As if during a situation like that, he'd be just wandering around the house.

 

[Linda7NJ]

And it was never discussed at home....eyeroll...


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[MyBelle]

And it was never discussed at home....eyeroll...


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Patsy probably didn't allow discussion of it. My son-in-law was raised in a similar household. His narcissistic mother still refuses to allow any mention of his brother's suicide.....in 1983.

 

[tml]

I am going through the events of 12/26 in my head. One thing that has always struck me is Fleet White's claim that he searched the basement, including the wine cellar, on 12/26, prior to JBR's body being found. He says he saw nothing there. If, as some believe, there was in fact NOTHING there when FW searched the basement, and then after JR's mysterious "mail' disappearance, JBR's body appeared there - meaning that JR moved her from an undisclosed location to the wine cellar in order for him to "find" her - then where WAS her body during that time? Where would JR have kept her body while there were dozens of people at his home, including police, investigating this "kidnapping"? Why even bother moving it at all, in fact?

 

[midwest mama]

I am going through the events of 12/26 in my head. One thing that has always struck me is Fleet White's claim that he searched the basement, including the wine cellar, on 12/26, prior to JBR's body being found. He says he saw nothing there. If, as some believe, there was in fact NOTHING there when FW searched the basement, and then after JR's mysterious "mail' disappearance, JBR's body appeared there - meaning that JR moved her from an undisclosed location to the wine cellar in order for him to "find" her - then where WAS her body during that time? Where would JR have kept her body while there were dozens of people at his home, including police, investigating this "kidnapping"? Why even bother moving it at all, in fact?[/QUOTE)

What if Arndt had not asked JR to take others with him and search the house? The dogs were on standby. No call had come in. Arndt was waiting for additional backup. Let's wonder what might have happened if her backup had arrived and no search inside had taken place. But first, remember that JR was not able to go missing until just after the time had passed for the call. And according to later reports by Fleet, JB'S body was not visible in the wine cellar. If the dogs would have been brought in right after 10 am, they would have found JBR immediately no matter where she would have been. If "stashed" somewhere, surely an arrest of the Rs. I have a hard time believing PR would have made that call intentionally if she knew JB'S body was stashed somewhere and should have either been found by arriving officers or at least by a complete LE search of the house, likely with the assist of the dogs after the bogus call never came in, especially if she was involved in writing the RN.

I have to believe that IF the call to police was made purposefully to police by a conspiring PR they assumed police would respond and think the kidnappers meant the call would come "tomorrow" being the 27th, giving them some sort of opportunity to get JB'S body removed from the home.

Since that didn't happen, if JB'S body might have been found then during another search of the premises in the wine cellar where Fleet said he had seen nothing, I would think LE might have looked at Fleet very suspiciously.

So wouldn't that have been a good reason for JR to try to "relocate" her body after it was looking like LE intended to stay camped out at their home and not afford them an opportunity to remove her body?

Also, JR said right away, it has to be an inside job. Once the R's realized they had no chance to get JB'S body out of the house and Fleet had said he inspected the wine cellar and saw nothing, it was the best place for possibly incriminating FW.

Maybe JR thought FW might have left some forensic evidence there when checking. And there was JR'S comment about the killer not meaning to kill her because he tried to keep her warm with blanket ( or something to that effect).

 

[midwest mama]

It doesn't make sense that PR would have helped write a ransom note that should have led to a call coming in on the 27th from kidnappers and then circumvent a plan that would have given the R's every chance to carry out a crime that would account for JB to gave been found off premises a victim of heinous kidnappers. If the R's had been in on the killing followed by a coverup, especially to protect Burke, then all the more reason ti pullit off without that call at 5:52 am.

At the least, a call to police should have been held up until after 10 am, then they would have had a reason to tell police they didn't know why a call didn't come in that morning at which time LE could have searched and found her body. Then the sexual assault leading to death by a pedophile kidnapper could have been tied into finding her left in the house wirh no ensuing ransom call.

IMO, PR could have made that call unaware that JB was already dead in their wine cellar.

 

[andreww]

I am going through the events of 12/26 in my head. One thing that has always struck me is Fleet White's claim that he searched the basement, including the wine cellar, on 12/26, prior to JBR's body being found. He says he saw nothing there. If, as some believe, there was in fact NOTHING there when FW searched the basement, and then after JR's mysterious "mail' disappearance, JBR's body appeared there - meaning that JR moved her from an undisclosed location to the wine cellar in order for him to "find" her - then where WAS her body during that time? Where would JR have kept her body while there were dozens of people at his home, including police, investigating this "kidnapping"? Why even bother moving it at all, in fact?

FW never said that he checked the wine cellar. He said he looked down the hallway that led to the wine cellar but could not see anything. He could not find the light switch so he did not proceed down that hall. What is important is that he claimed that you could not see the body, yet when he heard JR yell that he'd found her, the light was still not on.

But Fleet White never went in to that room and I think it's pretty safe to say the body was there all along.


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[elannia]

If you get RN saying your son, daughter are kidnapped I would think you would still search your house just to make sure he she isnt in the house... we dont actually know the R's version of events of course but of course they didnt search the house because they knew she wasnt kidnapped. Imagine where this case would be if they had brought in the search dogs. Poor thing laying down there the whole time and her own parent(s) didnt know she was there... yea right. I am beginning to believe it was more JR and BR than P. Patsy said they killed my baby. JR wouldnt hardly let her speak while on tv(especially the ST LK interview). JR lawyering up HIS side of the family. Just makes no sense. Especially that they didnt "search" for her. I just wonder if they knew what a bad job the police would do when they came to the house that day(im not ragging on BPD but it all worked out in the "killers" favor

 

[Mama2JML]

FW never said that he checked the wine cellar. He said he looked down the hallway that led to the wine cellar but could not see anything. He could not find the light switch so he did not proceed down that hall. What is important is that he claimed that you could not see the body, yet when he heard JR yell that he'd found her, the light was still not on.

But Fleet White never went in to that room and I think it's pretty safe to say the body was there all along.


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I am confused by your post... :waitasec:

Here's the run down, according to Miss Marple:

~6:06 AM Fleet White Searched Basement. Fleet White went downstairs to basement to look for JBR (Schiller 1999a: 44). This time is supported by Carnes (2003:14): "The Whites arrived at defendant's home at approximately 6:00 a.m., and Mr. White, alone, searched the basement within fifteen minutes of arrival. (SMF P 23; PSMF P 23.) Mr. White testified that when he began his search, the lights were already on in the basement and the door in the hallway leading to the basement "wine cellar" room was opened. (SMF P 25; PSMF P 25; White Dep. at 147, 151-52.)" (Carnes 2003:14).

After 6:06 AM Fleet White Searched Train Room. "He further testified that a window in the basement playroom was broken. (SMF P 26; PSMF P 26; White Dep. at 28, 152 & 154.) Under the broken window, Mr. White states there was a suitcase, along with a broken shard of glass. (SMF P 27; PSMF P 27; White Dep. at 28-29, 156-59, & 15 265.) He does not, however, remember whether the window was opened or closed. n11 (SMF P 28; PSMF P 28; White Dep. at 153.)" (Carnes 2003:14).

After 6:06 AM Fleet White Searched Wine Cellar Room. "Mr. White also opened the door to the wine cellar room, but he could not see anything inside because it was dark and he could not find the light switch. (SMF P 29; PSMF P 29; White Dep. at 159-61.)" (Carnes 2003:14).

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December 26



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[andreww]

I am confused by your post... :waitasec:

Here's the run down, according to Miss Marple:


http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December 26



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Here is a layout of the basement



From everything I have read, FW looked through that door near the bathroom, through the boiler room, back to the wine cellar. The light was off and he didn't venture in to that area. Your quotes to not specify that he actually went in to those rooms.