Happenings of December 26

[UKGuy]

Totally serious. Sorry if you can't understand. Typically, husbands and wives know each other pretty well. They know how to "push the other's buttons". They know how the other would usually react in a certain situation. I know exactly how my spouse would react in that situation, and what to say to elicit the response I would be looking for.

You can explain it all away in your own mind, but not in mine. Explain away how they thought they'd get away with a RN and a dead body in the house. In 16 years I've never heard anyone be able to give a good reason for that.

Nom de plume,
I dont buy it. You wanna know why? Because if JR knew Patsy so well, how come he failed to predict that PR would dial 911 immediately?

Its a no brainer, DocG's theory is simply a fairy tale with little forensic evidence to back it up.

There is also the continual tweaking of DocG's theory as objections are raised and the tweaks are usually qualified assumptions.


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[UKGuy]

UK - Try this: you have left your residence to go after some groceries. When you return, there is note pinned to your door.

It says: We watched your home and waited for you to leave so we could come in a snatch that barking, pooping dog of yours that you let run the neighborhood and bark incessantly when he returns home until you let him back indoors.

Here's the deal, we will agree to meet with you in 10 hours, at the local vet, where you will turn your dog over for debarking and a neuter job,(**see below) so none of us have to listen to him, or take care of puppy litters from him jumping our fences to get to our females who are confined, let alone clean up after he leaves a big pile in one of our front yards.

If you aren't there at that time, checkbook in hand, we'll kill him. Don't call the police, because none of us want the hassle of dealing with police. If they show up at one of our doors, we'll kill your loyal companion. Might as well, if we're going to get arrested for dognapping anyway. Not much more of a fine to pay, or jail time. Ha Ha, we win! Y.F.N.D.
which might mean, (Your friendly neighborhood dognappers.)

(**) I would have called the police at least by now! Then while I was looking at the note, could have answered the 911 responder who signed it off, if I was asked to, simply by scanning through it.

Sorry to be so purposefully flippant, but there are reasons why someone might be frantic enough to call for police at any point, hoping to stop something before it gets started.

And seriously, I would like to know the percentage of parents who actually carried out the demands of a ransom note to get their child back safely, without calling in police, unless they might have felt their own lives or those of their other children could be harmed.

midwest mama,
With all due respect mama its becoming quite complicated. You expect me to parse the above so I can appreciate DocG's theory?

Anyway I am sure you realize I am not as pedantic as some DocG enthusiasts. I accept some people would act on reception of some kind of written demand. Its just that predetermination is not guaranteed.


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[Chrishope]

Nom de plume,
I dont buy it. You wanna know why? Because if JR knew Patsy so well, how come he failed to predict that PR would dial 911 immediately?

Its a no brainer, DocG's theory is simply a fairy tale with little forensic evidence to back it up.

There is also the continual tweaking of DocG's theory as objections are raised and the tweaks are usually qualified assumptions.


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Doc's blog -on which his theory is detailed- hasn't been added to in months. It's hard to see how it's being tweaked. Perhaps it is best that you actually read his theory before proceeding further.

 

[UKGuy]

Or at least they think they know. The structure of the RN tells us something. The first paragraph is just the info that JB has been taken, along with a warning that she won't be seen again if instructions are not followed to the letter. It would be reasonable to think that the reader (just about any reader) would continue beyond that point, and especially since the instructions follow, in the second paragraph. The final paragraph is a laundry list of dire consequences. JR may have assumed PR would read the entire note. She didn't, if Doc's theory is correct.

Chrishope,
Also DocG thinks he knows too. Patently he has privileged access to PR's mind, since he claims PR never read the threats, so dialling 911.

What if she read the whole RN but still decided the right thing to do would be to dial 911?

JR certainly promoted this view, he said twice that he told PR to dial 911. I have no problem thinking JR might be lying, but how did he get PR on board for his version?

DocG's theory as some intractable holes in it.


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[Chrishope]

midwest mama,
With all due respect mama its becoming quite complicated. You expect me to parse the above so I can appreciate DocG's theory?

Anyway I am sure you realize I am not as pedantic as some DocG enthusiasts. I accept some people would act on reception of some kind of written demand. Its just that predetermination is not guaranteed.


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Aside from death and taxes, there are few guarantees in life.

 

[Chrishope]

Chrishope,
Also DocG thinks he knows too. Patently he has privileged access to PR's mind, since he claims PR never read the threats, so dialling 911.

What if she read the whole RN but still decided the right thing to do would be to dial 911?

JR certainly promoted this view, he said twice that he told PR to dial 911. I have no problem thinking JR might be lying, but how did he get PR on board for his version?

DocG's theory as some intractable holes in it.


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Again, it might be good for you to actually read the theory, then we wouldn't need to explain everything. Besides, if we explain, then you'll think the theory is being tweaked.

It is a rather lengthy blog, with many posts. Those of us who've read it, whether we agree with it or not, tend to talk to each other with the understanding that details are known.

 

[UKGuy]

Doc's blog -on which his theory is detailed- hasn't been added to in months. It's hard to see how it's being tweaked. Perhaps it is best that you actually read his theory before proceeding further.

Chrishope,
I rely on devotee's, such as yourself, to keep me updated. Its an interesting theory, one capable of being undertaken, but sadly it does not fly for me.

If something turned up, say Patsy was lying about JR telling her to dial 911, then I might take it more seriously.

Otherwise its simply an interpretation of the JonBenet homicide that requires qualified assumptions, i.e. it does not simply rely on the available forensic evidence.

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[UKGuy]

Aside from death and taxes, there are few guarantees in life.

Chrishope,
So do you reckon JR should have taken this into account when he deliberately dropped the ransom note on the stairs then retired to bed?

After all some DocG theorists think he knew PR very well indeed?


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[Chrishope]

Chrishope,
I rely on devotee's, such as yourself, to keep me updated. Its an interesting theory, one capable of being undertaken, but sadly it does not fly for me.

If something turned up, say Patsy was lying about JR telling her to dial 911, then I might take it more seriously.

Otherwise its simply an interpretation of the JonBenet homicide that requires qualified assumptions, i.e. it does not simply rely on the available forensic evidence.

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In other words you aren't going to bother reading it.

 

[Nom de plume]

Aside from death and taxes, there are few guarantees in life.

:floorlaugh: I was thinking the exact same thing! Except as far as I'm concerned, those are the ONLY two guarantees.

 

[Nom de plume]

Chrishope,
I rely on devotee's, such as yourself, to keep me updated. Its an interesting theory, one capable of being undertaken, but sadly it does not fly for me.

If something turned up, say Patsy was lying about JR telling her to dial 911, then I might take it more seriously.

Otherwise its simply an interpretation of the JonBenet homicide that requires qualified assumptions, i.e. it does not simply rely on the available forensic evidence.

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Apparently all you know about it is what you've seen others discussing. For someone that claims to have so much knowledge about the case, it surprises me that you haven't even bothered to read it.

I'm certainly not a BDI, but it didn't stop me from having an open enough mind to at least read JK's book. I read everything I can find on this case hoping that some little detail will jump out at me and everything will suddenly make sense. I know....DocG's blog is not factual it's just one person's opinion. Well so is most of ST & JK's books too! It's no different. They all take evidence, interpret it, and form a theory. Regardless of what you say, right or wrong, DocG's theory DOES revolve around the evidence.

I guess since you have it all figured out, and the case solved, expanding on your knowledge, or considering that someone other than yourself might possibly be right would be pointless. FYI...you make plenty of "qualified assumptions" yourself, you just choose not to recognize it.

:moo: :seeya:

 

[InstantProof]

I think normal reaction would be to read the first couple of lines of the note, run to check on the child, then call 911. The note is too long and I don't think she read the whole thing (well, if she wasn't involved) at the time of the 911 call.

 

[UKGuy]

:floorlaugh: I was thinking the exact same thing! Except as far as I'm concerned, those are the ONLY two guarantees.

Nom de plume,
Not much point in debate is there? I happen to know that there are three options available on this point, a quick read of the old testament might reward you.


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[UKGuy]

Apparently all you know about it is what you've seen others discussing. For someone that claims to have so much knowledge about the case, it surprises me that you haven't even bothered to read it.

I'm certainly not a BDI, but it didn't stop me from having an open enough mind to at least read JK's book. I read everything I can find on this case hoping that some little detail will jump out at me and everything will suddenly make sense. I know....DocG's blog is not factual it's just one person's opinion. Well so is most of ST & JK's books too! It's no different. They all take evidence, interpret it, and form a theory. Regardless of what you say, right or wrong, DocG's theory DOES revolve around the evidence.

I guess since you have it all figured out, and the case solved, expanding on your knowledge, or considering that someone other than yourself might possibly be right would be pointless. FYI...you make plenty of "qualified assumptions" yourself, you just choose not to recognize it.

:moo: :seeya:

Nom de plume,
Dont bother with the ad hominem remarks, I've seen them all before. I have read DocG's blog. So whats wrong with expecting tweaks to be communicated via devotees?

One knows when one is correct, the opposition fling everything at you, but nothing sticks, its all hot air and the usual charactar assassination.

Predictably nothing to do with the actual forensic evidence!


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[Nom de plume]

Nom de plume,
Not much point in debate is there? I happen to know that there are three options available on this point, a quick read of the old testament might reward you.


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Don't lecture me on the Bible! The saying (here in America) is "there are only two things certain in THIS life: death & taxes." Perhaps it would do you some good to spend some time on the New Testament.

 

[Chrishope]

Nom de plume,
Dont bother with the ad hominem remarks, I've seen them all before. I have read DocG's blog. So whats wrong with expecting tweaks to be communicated via devotees?

One knows when one is correct, the opposition fling everything at you, but nothing sticks, its all hot air and the usual charactar assassination.

Predictably nothing to do with the actual forensic evidence!


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Based on some statements you've made the past couple days, it's pretty obvious that you have not.

 

[Nom de plume]

Nom de plume,
Dont bother with the ad hominem remarks, I've seen them all before. I have read DocG's blog. So whats wrong with expecting tweaks to be communicated via devotees?

One knows when one is correct, the opposition fling everything at you, but nothing sticks, its all hot air and the usual charactar assassination.

Predictably nothing to do with the actual forensic evidence!


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There are those of us that lean towards DocG's theory. I don't know of anyone here that is a "devotee".

One knows when one THINKS they are correct. Since no one is flinging anything at you, I wouldn't expect anything to stick. I think it's pretty obvious where the hot air is coming from. No one has assassinated your character.

I can't think of another poster here that is absolutely adamant that they are right and everyone that doesn't agree with them is wrong....except you. The rest of us seem to be able to disagree without the attitude UK. We're open to other's opinions. Why don't you join us? If you're not here to discuss the case and take other people's opinions into consideration, then what's the point of being here?

 

[UKGuy]

There are those of us that lean towards DocG's theory. I don't know of anyone here that is a "devotee".

One knows when one THINKS they are correct. Since no one is flinging anything at you, I wouldn't expect anything to stick. I think it's pretty obvious where the hot air is coming from. No one has assassinated your character.

I can't think of another poster here that is absolutely adamant that they are right and everyone that doesn't agree with them is wrong....except you. The rest of us seem to be able to disagree without the attitude UK. We're open to other's opinions. Why don't you join us? If you're not here to discuss the case and take other people's opinions into consideration, then what's the point of being here?

Nom de plume,

I was thinking the exact same thing! Except as far as I'm concerned, those are the ONLY two guarantees.

Not much evidence of that. You appear to have the case solved and closed via DocG, just count me out.


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[UKGuy]

Based on some statements you've made the past couple days, it's pretty obvious that you have not.

Chrishope,
You win steamer of the year award, for your clairvoyant abilities.


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[Nom de plume]

Nom de plume,


Not much evidence of that. You appear to have the case solved and closed via DocG, just count me out.


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Absolutely untrue UK. Just the other day I asked everyone's opinion about a possible alternate theory. I'm not 100% on any theory, DocG's or any other. I do however see the possibility that he very well could be right. He could be wrong. As I've said before, until I read his theory I'd have bet money that PR wrote the note. Now I'm not sure. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. At least my mind was open enough to consider another possibility. None of us know what happened. To assume we do is just plain foolish IMO. We all know what they say about assuming....