Harley in the Hangar: Chop Shop?

[Snoofo]

I guess he found his financial backing since then, at least to build the hangar Iif any backing was for that. I dont understand the bit about securing the dealership though. Securing in what way? Commitment to supply fuel? Totally ignorant here. Someone throw me a bone.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I guess he found his financial backing since then, at least to build the hangar Iif any backing was for that. I dont understand the bit about securing the dealership though. Securing in what way? Commitment to supply fuel? Totally ignorant here. Someone throw me a bone.

Not necessarily. The agreement had already been finalized and the building permit approved 3 months earlier. It may have nothing to do with the hangar itself.

Wayne Millard, father of Dellen Millard, negotiated the hangar lease. The building permit was approved July 18, 2011. The hangar was declared fit for occupancy Feb. 23, 2012.

http://metronews.ca/news/kitchener/688568/waterloo-region-spent-5-4m-on-millardair/

I'm thinking that all this means is that Millard Air was going to take over the Esso dealership, in addition to building the new hangar. The Esso dealerships are more than likely individual franchises, or individual dealers with the licence to sell Esso fuel (like we would have Bill's Esso or Main Street Esso for our automobile fuel). Flightexec probably owned the Esso dealership at the airport and Millard Air was going to take over that franchise. That part fell through when the backer left, but the building of the hangar proceeded as planned.

JMO

 

[Blomquist]

Might be a good time to revisit the withdrawal of financial backing now that competition info is unveiled. I wonder if there is a co-relation there?

I cant for the life of me recall the source of the financial backer withdrawal. Was it MSM or an aviation chatroom? I only recall this info came early in our timeline.

Help!

It was AV Canada ..I posted the link in the Alternative Theory thread.

 

[Carli]

The Harley was a 2010 per MSM report and it was stolen in Oct. 2012 per MSM.
He reportedly paid $35,000 so it was probably new. http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130530-065940.html

Sometimes Harley comes out with model(s) mid year.
Either way, purchased new, used, regardless of length of ownership or insurance, it was stolen per Hamilton Police.

I remain confused about this MM's chopped Harley. Looking at the parts returned together with the trailer, the handlebars are consistent with only one particular model of the several 2010 Harleys.

This would clearly be one of the four 2010 CVO models released that year, specifically the "Softail Convertible" and one of only two introduced in this series. Further confirmation of this make model are confirmed by another picture of MM's bike when it is clearly still intact....

(Webpage link: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130530-065940.html)

It's the background that confuses me. We know that a trailer identical to one owned by DM was found at MB's residence and confirmed by LE as containing TB's stolen truck. We also know that TB's Dodge Ram was black and that DM already had at a red Dodge Ram. However, the only white Dodge Ram we've seen was the one used by LE to haul away DM's trailer from MB's property.

(Webpage link: http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/search-for-tim-bosma-now-concentrated-on-kitchener-waterloo-1.1279025)

Thoughts?

 

[Juballee]

I remain confused about this MM's chopped Harley. Looking at the parts returned together with the trailer, the handlebars are consistent with only one particular model of the several 2010 Harleys.

This would clearly be one of the four 2010 CVO models released that year, specifically the "Softail Convertible" and one of only two introduced in this series. Further confirmation of this make model are confirmed by another picture of MM's bike when it is clearly still intact....

(Webpage link: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/05/20130530-065940.html)

It's the background that confuses me. We know that a trailer identical to one owned by DM was found at MB's residence and confirmed by LE as containing TB's stolen truck. We also know that TB's Dodge Ram was black and that DM already had at least one black Dodge Ram as well as a red one. However, the only white Dodge Ram we've seen was the one used by LE to haul away DM's trailer from MB's property.

(Webpage link: http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/search-for-tim-bosma-now-concentrated-on-kitchener-waterloo-1.1279025)

Thoughts?

I didn't remember reading anywhere that DM also has a black Ram, I thought he only had a red one, are you sure?

 

[Carli]

I didn't remember reading anywhere that DM also has a black Ram, I thought he only had a red one, are you sure?

Sorry, my mistake. I don't know how that misinformation got lodged in this auld brain. I just corrected the post. Thanks.

 

[Juballee]

Sorry, my mistake. I don't know how that misinformation got lodged in this auld brain. I just corrected the post. Thanks.

Okay, good, I thought I'd missed something! I think the black pick up comes from the description of the truck that stole the bike and trailer. Which lead some here to wonder, if DM supposedly stole the bike, where he got the black truck from, when his is clearly red.

 

[Carli]

Well, I think I'm too smart for my own britches. The trailer pictured with Marty's Harley is different than the cargo trailer hauled away from MB's house. It looks more like this...

Royal cargo / Atlas Steel Enclosed trailer

http://www.rctrailers.com/categories-list/7/Steel

I guess MM had a nice trailer but chose to store his new Harley in a home built one. MOO

 

[Carli]

Okay, good, I thought I'd missed something! I think the black pick up comes from the description of the truck that stole the bike and trailer. Which lead some here to wonder, if DM supposedly stole the bike, where he got the black truck from, when his is clearly red.

Interesting. Quite right. Never thought of that. Good one! I think the yellow jeep and the dark blue Yukon SUV (that LE originally said that surveillance video showed following the Bosma test drive) are the only other vehicles we've heard of that belong to DM. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-question-existence-of-third-suspect-in-bosma-killing/article12370401/

So who were the "maybe two men" in a black truck who absconded with MM's bike?

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

 

[Juballee]

Unless I saw the two trailers side by side, I would have difficulties at first glance spotting any difference between the two, they look very similar to me. I assume the Harley trailer was smaller because in the picture with the handle bars, it looks like a narrow trailer that would never fit a jeep as seen in the Fb Baja pictures, but this trailer above looks much larger than the one in the handlebar photo to me. Is this supposed to be the same trailer the bike was stolen in? Or was is stolen in a homemade trailer? Or was someone claiming that this was a homemade trailer when it was registered, because I would like to meet the person who can do that kind of handwork in their garage.

 

[lanman]

Well, I think I'm too smart for my own britches. The trailer pictured with Marty's Harley is different than the cargo trailer hauled away from MB's house. It looks more like this...

Royal cargo / Atlas Steel Enclosed trailer

http://www.rctrailers.com/categories-list/7/Steel

I guess MM had a nice trailer but chose to store his new Harley in a home built one. MOO

MM's trailer was not homebuilt. The reports say it was REGISTERED as home built after it was stolen.

"Although Hamilton Police would not comment on the investigation of any of the vehicles found in the possession of suspects now charged in the case, officers did confirm that MacDougall's $35,000, 2010 Harley Davidson, convertible softail and a cargo trailer worth $7,500, was located as part of their investigation."

"In Marty's case, the bike was in dozens of pieces. Serial numbers had been shaved away and the trailer had already been registered as a homemade trailer within hours after the theft."

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/30/stolen-harley-found-on-property-of-accused-tim-bosma-killer

Trailer theft is big..it's easy to steal a trailer, remove the VIN, then register is as home made. Here's a story about how criminals are even reporting their own trailers stolen in order to collect insurance.

"Boyd's rhetorical question accompanied a slide presentation of ‘homemade' trailers, some of which were fully enclosed - and clearly commercially manufactured - trailers. He noted people obtain licenses for the trailers, obtain insurance for them, report them stolen and then re-register for a new homemade trailer license."

http://www.canadianunderwriter.ca/n...ailers-marina-chop-shops-and-atvs/1000529425/

 

[lanman]

Okay, good, I thought I'd missed something! I think the black pick up comes from the description of the truck that stole the bike and trailer. Which lead some here to wonder, if DM supposedly stole the bike, where he got the black truck from, when his is clearly red.

Maybe he traded in a black truck for a blue Yukon at some point. Maybe he has a black truck as well, but LE didn't tell us about it. Maybe he borrowed a black truck, or even rented one. Heck maybe he even stole one beforehand! Maybe he got someone else to steal the trailer and drop if off. Maybe someone put it in the hanger without his knowledge. None of that changes the fact that the trailer and bike were found in his hanger. It will be up to his lawyer to explain how it got there.

 

[Carli]

Definitely, all of these variations are possibilities, imo, with the possible qualifier that MM's bike was "alleged" to have been found in the hangar, along with either hundreds or "up to 10" other chopped vehicles. So are we agreed, then, that Marty's trailer wasn't actually an home built vehicle worth $7,500 as per LE at all, but was actually a commercial "Royal Cargo" trailer worth about half that much (as advertised on numerous websites.) Oddly conceivable, imo, but that's what we seems to have been told so far, so who am I to quibble? Now, has anyone uncovered the first reference to DM's blue Yukon or noticed it in previous hangar pictures? I'd go rooting around myself but time is short and I am getting shorter by the day. MOO. Also, does anyone know if this is the commercial "home built" trailer was delivered back to MM (or confirmation that any trailer was returned to him)? Just because I'm chronically compulsive, is anybody with better puter resolution than mine able to identify all those packages and boxes inside MM's trailer? Looks like mailers and such, doesn't it? I don't recognize the packaging. Curious. MOO.

 

[lanman]

Definitely, all of these variations are possibilities, imo. So are we agreed, then, that Marty's trailer wasn't actually an home built vehicle worth $7,500 as per LE at all, but was actually a commercial "Royal Cargo" trailer worth about half that much (as advertised on numerous websites.) Oddly conceivable, imo, but that's what we seems to have been told so far, so who am I to quibble? Now, has anyone uncovered the first reference to DM's blue Yukon or noticed it in previous hangar pictures? I'd go rooting around myself but time is short and I am getting shorter by the day. MOO. Also, does anyone know if this is the commercial "home built" trailer was delivered back to MM (or confirmation that any trailer was returned to him)? Just because I'm chronically compulsive, is anybody with better puter resolution than mine able to identify all those packages and boxes inside MM's trailer? Looks like mailers and such, doesn't it? I don't recognize the packaging. Curious. MOO.

Sorry, but I don't agree with what you said at all. LE or the media NEVER said it was a home made trailer. They said it was registered as a home made trailer after it was stolen!

$7500 for a commercial dual axle trailer like sounds about right to me.

http://www.toplinetrailers.com/NewCargoTrailers.htm

 

[ArianeEmory]

Sorry, but I don't agree with what you said at all. LE or the media NEVER said it was a home made trailer. They said it was registered as a home made trailer after it was stolen!

$7500 for a commercial dual axle trailer like sounds about right to me.

http://www.toplinetrailers.com/NewCargoTrailers.htm

Yep, and that piece of info makes me particularly happy since it means LE knows it was re-registered after it was stolen ("within hours") and who registered it.

 

[Carli]

Incidentally, should anyone be interested, I've identified (finally) the MillardAir trailer as a United 36' gooseneck race car hauler. The video at [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pt4oYOXVN4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pt4oYOXVN4[/ame] provides a detailed look at the interior and might hopefully prove useful to those in the thread who were previously wondering how TB's Dodge Ram would fit in there and how, once accomplished, its driver would extricate himself from the vehicle.

 

[Carli]

Sorry, but I don't agree with what you said at all. LE or the media NEVER said it was a home made trailer. They said it was registered as a home made trailer after it was stolen!

$7500 for a commercial dual axle trailer like sounds about right to me.

http://www.toplinetrailers.com/NewCargoTrailers.htm

Does sound like a reasonable price, doesn't it? Then again I guess there's quite a market for these things so maybe that's why the price range is so much less? MOO http://ontario.kijiji.ca/r/cars-vehicles-RVs-campers-trailers-cargo-utility-trailers/tandem-axle-enclosed-trailer-with-ramp?CatId=336

 

[Carli]

Yep, and that piece of info makes me particularly happy since it means LE knows it was re-registered after it was stolen ("within hours") and who registered it.

Has LE said who registered and who re-registered it, then? Maybe I missed that but I haven't been following the thread very closely. Who were the registrants? Would you mind reposting? Thanks.

 

[Juballee]

Yep, and that piece of info makes me particularly happy since it means LE knows it was re-registered after it was stolen ("within hours") and who registered it.

Something tells me that if it was registered to DM or MS, the reports would have said "registered to the suspect within hours". Wasn't all the talk of him being on LB's phone records post publication ban? And wasn't the naming of his hanger as a supposed chop shop after the ban as well, and yet they had no trouble naming him as suspect in that, I think if they had evidence that the trailer was registered to him, and it was irrefutable, it would be the kind of thing that would be publicly pointed at him as well. The fact that they didn't say it was registered to him makes me think it was registered to someone else, most likely someone they cannot name because they are still being investigated for it but have not yet been charged.

But thank you for the information on trailer theft, I didn't know there were so many people stealing their own trailers and re-registering them, I found it very informative and thought provoking. To me it sounds like Swedie's idea of the biker gang type of OC crime hearing that there is a big racket for it.

 

[Carli]

Something tells me that if it was registered to DM or MS, the reports would have said "registered to the suspect within hours". Wasn't all the talk of him being on LB's phone records post publication ban? And wasn't the naming of his hanger as a supposed chop shop after the ban as well, and yet they had no trouble naming him as suspect in that, I think if they had evidence that the trailer was registered to him, and it was irrefutable, it would be the kind of thing that would be publicly pointed at him as well. The fact that they didn't say it was registered to him makes me think it was registered to someone else, most likely someone they cannot name because they are still being investigated for it but have not yet been charged.

But thank you for the information on trailer theft, I didn't know there were so many people stealing their own trailers and re-registering them, I found it very informative and thought provoking. To me it sounds like Swedie's idea of the biker gang type of OC crime hearing that there is a big racket for it.

Does anybody know if this is a public registry in Ontario? If so, maybe an enterprising sleuther could find out if DM was the registrant. All that I've been able to find so far states that the trailer has to have a licence plate and vehicle permit and, in some provinces, must first be inspected by the RCMP. I don't know about Ontario, though. Also, I presume MM must have registered his trailer at some point, so it had already had plates and registration. MOO. I note that Google isn't at all helpful when it comes to seeking out information on how to register a stolen vehicle in Ontario. LOL.