Has Any Ramsey Defender Ever Given an Explanation for the Pineapple?

[robotdog]

i think patsy should insert another quarter in and try it again,
she says she would have heard burke in the kitchen crashing around but she never heard an intruder molesting, duct taping, writing letters, putting plastic bags all around the house, murdering her daughter but ALL OF SUDDEN she thinks she would have heard burke in the kitchen
PATSY LIES:crazy:

PATSY RAMSEY: Right. Well --

15 TOM HANEY: Any ideas, any thoughts?

16 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean, I

17 don't. I can't explain it.

18 TOM HANEY: Had JonBenet and Burke been up in

19 the night, would Burke have maybe fixed that for her

20 knowing she wanted something like that?

21 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. That is

22 stretching it.

23 TOM HANEY: To what?

24 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean, I would have heard

25 them. Burke would have gotten up and banged around

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1 getting cupboards open and getting stuff in the

2 refrigerator.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

Be it a lawyer, investigator, or just an IDI theorizer...I myself don't recall hearing explanations about the pineapple.

I lean towards an intruder, always have, but I could be convinced it was one or both Ramseys (I don't think it could have been Burke for various reasons).

I've never seen the pineapple as a significant issue for several reasons.

First, the speed at which foods move through the digestive tract is highly variable. Solid foods move slower, high fibre foods (like pineapple) move slower. Medications can affect the speed--does anyone know if JonBenet were being given any sort of medication for the bedwetting problem? If she was, that would slow down her digestive system. Unusual activity, incipient viral infection, even just the consumption of cold drinks, there are many factors that can slow down the digestive tract.

Over the years many coroners have made guesses about the length of time food found in the digestive tract was there, only to be proven factually wrong, sometimes by a factor of ten.

In a healthy human being, just emptying the stomach can take anywhere from fifteen minutes to ten hours. So gastric emptying is really pretty useless to use as an indication of the passing of time.

The state of digestion of foods found in the stomach or upper small intestines can vary widely in appearance. My father (a surgeon) once operated on a man who had a faulty pyloric valve (valve between the stomach and small intestines) who had eaten a couple slices of orange ten days previously that did not move out of the stomach; he said that the pieces of orange looked like they had been freshly eaten. Other surgeons have reported similar episodes. Why didn't the oranges decompose? Apparently the stomach was acid enough to preserve them, in the same way cucumbers are preserved as pickles by vinegar.

While no one remembers giving JonBenet at the White's party, it sounds to me like there were a bunch of people and kids present. Two kids could have shared some pineapple without anyone noticing, so long as they weren't running around and throwing it at people's hair. Or one kid could have given JonBenet the pineapple.

Another possibility--the creepiest one--is that if the murderer was an intruder who knew the family well, he could have given JonBenet some drugged pineapple at the party, knowing she liked it and would eat it. The Ramseys did say she fell asleep on the way home and remained asleep while being prepared for bed.

Another possibility is that JonBenet did get the pineapple at home. Frankly, I think Patsy was an airhead about domestic matters. It was the holiday season, there was a lot of stuff to do and I'm unconvinced that she really knew for sure what she did or did not have in her pantry. Could there have been a can in there that she didn't remember? I think so.

Was her memory that good? People usually think they remember stuff but, for example, look at all the people who try to lose weight and start keeping a food journal. They discover that they were eating far more food than they really remembered (which explains why they wanted to lose weight).

Look at Dr Elizabeth Loftus's research on memory, particular memory as it concerns routine events. While it seems like someone would recall every detail of the day before their child died, Dr Loftus's research indicates otherwise.

And finally, in every single criminal case I have ever read about, there are elements that were thought to be relevant to the crime that turned out not to be. Prosecutors go to court with cases that do not include an explanation for every element found at the crime scene because such an explanation usually is not possible.

For example--FBI agent, shot by hit man in motel room. Knocked unconscious by the shots, comes to some time later, gets up out of bed, goes into the bathroom and then goes into the living room area of the suite. Does he think to call for help? Nope--he was discovered by his co-workers when he didn't show up for breakfast. Why did he go into the bathroom and living room? He remembered doing so, he remembered turning off the TV but he doesn't remember any reason to do those things.

So, the pineapple may indeed be a key piece of evidence. Or it may be a red herring.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

SCIENTISTS tested the pineapple found on the Ramsey table against the pineapple in JB's stomach. Did you know even friiut has DNA and can be matched scientifically?

Pineapple does have DNA but the pineapple that is cultivated for the retail market is homozygous, meaning that it all has the same DNA.

This is of major concern to plant geneticists and agricultural experts because if a plant disease, a bacteria or fungus, arises that kills pineapple, the entire pineapple crop will be endangered.

In a different plant species, this has already proven to be a major problem. Within 50 years, there will be no more bananas for sale. There is a fungus that kills bananas. It killed off all the Gros Michel bananas, which were replaced with a cultivar named Cavendish which was thought to be resistant. It turns out that Cavendish is not resistant and the measures taken to protect cultivated bananas (mostly sprayed antifungals) are becoming less effective.

I'm old enough to remember Gros Michel bananas; they were larger than the bananas you can get now, creamier, more flavourful and they rarely bruised. But by the late 60s, all the Gros Michel were dead.

 

[robotdog]

quite a coincidence -
patsy buys fresh pineapple
fresh pineapple is in the stomach.

pretty safe to say the pineapple came from the house - unless the intruder stopped off at safeway to purchase some but they forgot to buy duct tape and rope....:crazy::crazy:


22 TOM HANEY: Just still talking about the bowl

23 itself and the pineapple, and there is probably no way

24 to determine from the photograph whether this was fresh

25 or canned. Do you have either or both in stock at the

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1 house there, did you?

2 PATSY RAMSEY: Usually I would buy those -- I

3 bought pineapple, it was fresh pineapple that had been

4 peeled or whatever they do to it, and core it and cut

5 it up a little bit, or some that had been fresh that

6 was sealed there in the produce area.

7 TOM HANEY: What store did you buy this from?

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Safeway is usually where I buy

9 it from.

10 TOM HANEY: It is the fresh pineapple that

11 they do all the work for you?

12 PATSY RAMSEY: Correct.

13 TOM HANEY: Did you have bags or however it

14 came?

15 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. It usually went

16 bad pretty quick, so it didn't -- you know, I didn't

17 keep it around laying around very long. You know what

18 I mean?

19 TOM HANEY: So people ate it fairly regularly

20 or consistently?

21 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I didn't buy it terribly

22 often. But when I did, I bought usually bought that

23 fresh and serve it out in little portions.

24 This looks weird to me, a bowl with a huge

25 spoon like that with pineapple in it.

 

[LI_Mom]

The pineapple has always been the sticking point for me for the Ramseys' innocence.

At the same time, the prints on a bowl where Patsy lived, are not conclusive enough for guilt.

I always come back to the pineapple.

Although, it's very curious that this alleged intruder would wipe off all fingerprints from the flashlight and all other surface areas he/she touched BUT not wipe the bowl & glass.

This intruder who has been SO careful for hours & hours & hours suddenly isn't concerned with fingerprints?

 

[LI_Mom]

If Patsy trimmed the outside rind off the freshly cut pineapple, the rind trimmings should have been found in the house.

Garbage disposal.

 

[Wudge]

Garbage disposal.

A receipt showing that Patsy had bought a whole pineapple was found where?

 

[Grainne Dhu]

quite a coincidence -
patsy buys fresh pineapple
fresh pineapple is in the stomach.

pretty safe to say the pineapple came from the house

I agree; I'd forgotten that it was fresh pineapple (rather than canned).

In that case, I think it's possible that JonBenet did something she knew her mother would regard as naughty: she took one of those sealable containers of fresh pineapple up to her bedroom up to a few days before she died.

The night she was killed, I theorise she was put to bed and then woke up after everyone else had gone to sleep. She was all excited because she thought she was going to get a special visit from Santa, so she takes the pineapple downstairs with her, put it in a bowl, eats a few pieces herself. Lots of families make a big deal out of putting a snack out for Santa--it's a common and traditional thing to do.

"Santa" comes in and finds her, wipes the bowl and spoon clean.

During the chaotic morning that followed, both Patsy and Burke handled the bowl and/or spoon (depending on where their prints were found) but don't recall doing so. There were people coming in and out, they were trying to do a dozen things at once and they were what the military calls "task saturated." Meaning there was so much going on that they were no longer remembering events accurately.

If the intruder brought the pineapple (which I don't regard as highly likely) the only motive I can think of would be to use it to drug JonBenet, knowing that she liked it.

Who would know JonBenet liked pineapple? Well, her family, obviously. But there were people outside the family who could know or find out--she was a cute little girl, I can easily imagine her telling someone hired to do yardwork that she liked pineapple or someone helping with the remodelling or, really, anyone she came into contact with.

Kids are usually either very quiet or very outgoing with strangers, not many in the middle. I think going to pageants taught JonBenet to be unusually outgoing and "sparkly" with strange adults and perhaps overly trusting.

 

[Anniegirl]

The digestive time for pineapple inside a very young girl has been proved to be?

Proves- as a few pointed out that "oops" the Ramsey's are lying about the timeline--Proves she had pineapple few hours before her death---

Do you think an intruder would wake up a 6 yr old, stun her a few good times with a stun gun--than give her a treat of pineapple before taking her downstairs to molest, torture /murder her ?

 

[Ames]

Where did they find the outside rinds that had been trimmed off the pineapple?

Patsy could have put those in the garbage disposal. Or in the garbage, and it had been taken out. These are EXPERTS Wudge...that say that it was fresh cut pineapple. And the pineapple found in her stomach was the same that was in the bowl. You must not have ever seen pineapple in a can...it is not the same as fresh pineapple. It was consistant...right down to the rind...the contents in her intestines or stomach...and the bowl on the table. You are going to have to try again.

 

[LI_Mom]

A receipt showing that Patsy had bought a whole pineapple was found where?

I'm sure the mystery intruder was brilliant enough to search for & take the receipt with him.

Don't underestimate small foreign factions.

 

[Ames]

If Patsy had really cut and prepared the pineapple, they could have simply said: "She had some pineapple before we went to the White's party".

Of course, if Patsy had made the "freshly cut" pineapple, where were the outside rinds?

(detectives are supposed to "detect")

Place in the garbage disposal..and disposed of. That is what I do with rinds of any fruit.

 

[Ames]

If Patsy trimmed the outside rind off the freshly cut pineapple, the rind trimmings should have been found in the house.

OH GOOD GRIEF...I have already told you the answer to this. She most likely, put them down the garbage disposal...that's what they are for, you know. Is that the ONLY argument you have...Were were the rinds? Where were the rinds? Where were the rinds?

 

[Ames]

Answer: They did not find pineapple rind trimmings in the Ramsey house.

HTH

OMG....because they were most likely put down the garbage disposal..or taken out with the garbage. Really Wudge...its not that difficult!

 

[robotdog]

when you buy fresh prepared pineapple in a store there is NO rind

all you get is the meat, all cored :crazy:

it is more expensive, but money was not a problem for the scamseys
errrr uhh i mean ramseys

 

[robotdog]

OH GOOD GRIEF...I have already told you the answer to this. She most likely, put them down the garbage disposal...that's what they are for, you know. Is that the ONLY argument you have...Were were the rinds? Where were the rinds? Where were the rinds?

AMES - i agree
LOL


there aint no rind anyway

the rind is a herring

 

[LI_Mom]

I agree; I'd forgotten that it was fresh pineapple (rather than canned).

In that case, I think it's possible that JonBenet did something she knew her mother would regard as naughty: she took one of those sealable containers of fresh pineapple up to her bedroom up to a few days before she died.

The night she was killed, I theorise she was put to bed and then woke up after everyone else had gone to sleep. She was all excited because she thought she was going to get a special visit from Santa, so she takes the pineapple downstairs with her, put it in a bowl, eats a few pieces herself. Lots of families make a big deal out of putting a snack out for Santa--it's a common and traditional thing to do.

"Santa" comes in and finds her, wipes the bowl and spoon clean.

During the chaotic morning that followed, both Patsy and Burke handled the bowl and/or spoon (depending on where their prints were found) but don't recall doing so. There were people coming in and out, they were trying to do a dozen things at once and they were what the military calls "task saturated." Meaning there was so much going on that they were no longer remembering events accurately.

If the intruder brought the pineapple (which I don't regard as highly likely) the only motive I can think of would be to use it to drug JonBenet, knowing that she liked it.

Who would know JonBenet liked pineapple? Well, her family, obviously. But there were people outside the family who could know or find out--she was a cute little girl, I can easily imagine her telling someone hired to do yardwork that she liked pineapple or someone helping with the remodelling or, really, anyone she came into contact with.

Kids are usually either very quiet or very outgoing with strangers, not many in the middle. I think going to pageants taught JonBenet to be unusually outgoing and "sparkly" with strange adults and perhaps overly trusting.

Burke was sleeping & didn't come downstairs that morning according to BOTH parents.

 

[robotdog]

i think the intruder probably because he was so neat and kind and caring decided he should bring upside down pineapple cake..

easier to trick kids with cake --------------NOT

 

[Ames]

Or she ate it at the White's party.

EVEN THOUGH according to investigators that interviewed Priscilla, the person that actually prepared the food.....said that she didn't serve pineapple. You must have been at the White's party and saw it for your own eyes, if you don't believe Priscilla. Maybe she LIED...and really DID have pineapple.

 

[Ames]

Favors an intruder, which supports the exonerating DNA.

WOW...how freakin' ironic. The White's served JB pineapple at their party...and lo and behold, the intruder brings pineapple with him, and served it to someone...maybe himself...using the Rams bowl and spoon. Its even MORE ironic that the pineapple that JB ate, was consistant...down to the RIND...with what was in the bowl. I wonder how the "intruder" manage to pull off that little trick?