Has any suspected family member failed 2 Lie Detector tests and been found innocent?

[debs]

I'm not sure if this was ever answered, but I wondered how quickly an examiner can determine the results of the poly? Even if computerized, I would HOPE that the examiner would take the time to go through and verify the results.

From what I understand (using the long discussions regarding this in the Haleigh case regarding Misty and Ron's polys) was that the tests were not analyzed by the administrator of the test, but instead, sent back to Quantico for evaluation by the folks there.

 

[Calliope]

Oh I read up about that a few weeks back because I was curious too. Part they know immediately, and part takes a while, usually not available the same day.

thanks.


So how was it Terri came home to complain to *everyone* that she'd failed ?

 

[Calliope]

From what I understand (using the long discussions regarding this in the Haleigh case regarding Misty and Ron's polys) was that the tests were not analyzed by the administrator of the test, but instead, sent back to Quantico for evaluation by the folks there.

So now my questions are ... did Terri really tell the others she'd failed? Did LE tell her she'd failed? Did she simply think she'd failed? And wouldn't Tony, being a LEO himself, have known that she couldn't have had the results that quickly?

 

[BeanE]

thanks.


So how was it Terri came home to complain to *everyone* that she'd failed ?

They could have told her the results that are immediately available, or they could have lied to her about the immediate results.

ETA: Or she didn't say she failed.

 

[JBean]

I have mentioned that a class in polygraph administration was a part of my major curriculum in college. The results were available immediately. I failed miserably btw.
Perhaps in legal cases they are sent out for an additional reading to confirm.
So, I would suspect that TH would have been told on the spot whether her tests were preliminarliy pass or fail, whether or not they were being honest is another story.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

thanks.


So how was it Terri came home to complain to *everyone* that she'd failed ?

my thought is that le decided to tell terri she failed before the test was administered. no need for waiting to determine her results.

 

[sorrell skye]

The presumption is that LE told TH she failed. There is no reason for TH to say she was told she failed, unless she was told that.
Guilty or innocent, TH would have nothing to gain by saying she was told she failed.

bbm

ITA JBean. TH would gain nothing by telling others she failed. IMO, she would in fact stand to lose a great deal - not the least of which was the trust of her husband (and others).

And therein lies the rub.

If a person answers honestly to the best of their knowledge on a polygraph, and is then told by LE that they *failed*, it's perfectly understandable, IMO, that person would be upset about it & might also emote about it to others.

 

[BeanE]

I think if I failed, and I were guilty, I'd come home, smile brightly, and tell everyone I had passed.

 

[debs]

I think if I failed, and I were guilty, I'd come home, smile brightly, and tell everyone I had passed.

*note to self: keep an eye on BeanE's foil hat at all times.

 

[miabellamoure]

So now my questions are ... did Terri really tell the others she'd failed? Did LE tell her she'd failed? Did she simply think she'd failed? And wouldn't Tony, being a LEO himself, have known that she couldn't have had the results that quickly?

Maybe she had a guilty conscious...and "maybe" she just presumed she had failed because perhaps the examiner made a comment about something she said indicating deception...I don't know.

It sure would be nice to hear from someone who has had a LD test or has given one to understand this more fully.

 

[Kat010]

I think if I failed, and I were guilty, I'd come home, smile brightly, and tell everyone I had passed.

Oh yea, me too. If I were guilty I'd tell everyone that it was very exhausting but they said I did great. Then when they called me back, I'd say that they said that I was so careful with info that they wanted to go over more stuff with me. Or something similar.

If I were innocent and was told I'd "failed", I'd be emoting all over the place! I'd be hysterical. Angry. etc. Crying. Scared. All of that, in various amounts. If I were innocent and believed I'd failed 'cause I was told so, I'd just be carrying on (as we country folk say).

Guilty? I'd never admit, much less pitch a hissy fit, if they said I failed. If you're guilty, why in the world would you run around carrying on about having "failed" a LDT? That's like making and pasting on your very own "kick me" sign, in flashing neon lights.

 

[just]

Oh yea, me too. If I were guilty I'd tell everyone that it was very exhausting but they said I did great. Then when they called me back, I'd say that they said that I was so careful with info that they wanted to go over more stuff with me. Or something similar.

If I were innocent and was told I'd "failed", I'd be emoting all over the place! I'd be hysterical. Angry. etc. Crying. Scared. All of that, in various amounts. If I were innocent and believed I'd failed 'cause I was told so, I'd just be carrying on (as we country folk say).

Guilty? I'd never admit, much less pitch a hissy fit, if they said I failed. If you're guilty, why in the world would you run around carrying on about having "failed" a LDT? That's like making and pasting on your very own "kick me" sign, in flashing neon lights.

I think that's very insightful and I never thought of it like that. I do wonder if in her position of absolute scrutiny if she would know she couldn't get away with lying and saying she passed - but innocent or guilty I think anyone that failed would be devastated, so on her reaction and telling people - the jury's still out for me.

 

[Calliope]

I think if I failed, and I were guilty, I'd come home, smile brightly, and tell everyone I had passed.

Well that brings up a good point.

If this was premeditated (as most seem to believe), and if Terri is a master manipulator and sociopath (that most seem to believe), why in the world would she make herself suspect to Kaine and Desiree --- and especially Tony? And if she is all those things, with such a lack of feeling and no remorse, icewater in the veins, etc., how did she manage to flunk it in the first place?

 

[krowdkat]

Well that brings up a good point.

If this was premeditated (as most seem to believe), and if Terri is a master manipulator and sociopath (that most seem to believe), why in the world would she make herself suspect to Kaine and Desiree --- and especially Tony? And if she is all those things, with such a lack of feeling and no remorse, icewater in the veins, etc., how did she manage to flunk it in the first place?

Because, IMO, she is a classic case of narcissistic personalily disorder and she never believed that anyone would suspect such a GOOD stepmom in the first place. She's not persuing visitation with baby K because she knows Kaine, Desiree, and LE have the goods on her. If she were innocent of the MFH, she'd be bold and brazen about a FALSE allegation and RO waged against her. She hired HOUZE instead.

 

[debs]

How are we so certain that Terri's attorney hasn't begun the process for visits with baby K? What would be our indication that has happened?

 

[WhyaDuck?]

I'm trying to see statistically if any family member suspected of harming a child has failed (should be failed above not filed!) 2 lie detector tests and then still been found innocent (or cleared of any wrongdoing). Put your research skills to the test and post the link please

Bumping the original post to see if anyone else has any examples.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The problem we have though unless the family members comes out and tells us they failed two LDTs it is impossible to really know how many of them out there were totally innocent.

Or if it somehow becomes known by the media from inside sources.

All LE I have seen do not comment on who all took one and passed or failed a poly or how many times they took one when they are directly asked that question by the media.

So imo unless the information becomes public somehow it is hard to find cases but I have no doubt they have happened unfortunately.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here is a very interesting article showing how polygraphs fail.

http://www.cvsa1.com/polygraphfailures.htm

The Green River Killer, Gary Leon Ridgeway, pled guilty to murdering 48 women in the Seattle area over a twenty-year period. Ridgeway was given a polygraph following the murder of his fourth victim and passed the polygraph exam. He was then dropped as a suspect and went on to kill another 44 women. He is listed as the most prolific killer in U.S. history. If the polygraph had been accurate, his reign of terror would have ended after his fourth victim. The failure of the polygraph to detect Ridgeway cost 44 women their lives.

The ‘Angel of Death’, Charles Cullen, as described in recent articles, working as a nurse, murdered as many as 40 people over a ten year period by giving them lethal injections. After his first victim died, he was considered a suspect and asked to take a polygraph test. He passed the polygraph test and went on to kill at least another 39 people. The failure of the polygraph cost 39 people their lives.

Aldrich Ames, while working in a very sensitive position at the CIA, became a traitor and over a long period of time, sold information as well as the names of the operatives working in the Soviet Union to the KGB. Aldrich Ames was able to continue his treachery because he was easily able to pass his periodic polygraph examinations. He said “There is no trick to (passing the polygraph) it, just smile and make the examiner think you liked them.” Eleven CIA operatives identified by Ames were executed by the KGB and untold harm done to our national security due to the failure of the polygraph and the CIA’s dependence on it.

While working as an analyst for the Defense Intelligence Agency, confessed Cuban spy Ana Belen Montes passed polygraph exams over her sixteen-year career. After she was caught, she admitted that she had given very damaging information to Cuban Intelligence. According to her plea agreement, she agreed to divulge the details of the information and the FBI decided to give her a polygraph to validate her information, a move that former FBI Supervisory Agent Dr. Drew Richardson called “Unbelievably stupid.”

In May, 1978, police arrested four Chicago-area men on charges of murdering a suburban man and his fiancée. All of the suspects said that they were innocent, but no real doubt existed about their guilt: After all, three of them had failed a polygraph exam. Eventually, a jury convicted the Ford Heights Four, as the public came to call them, for these brutal slayings, and two defendants received death sentences. But in 1996, DNA evidence exonerated all four. All four had spent eighteen years behind bars, two of them on death row, because of the failure of the polygraph.

In 2002, an Ohio court officially cleared Jimmy Williams after he spent 10 years in prison for the rape of a ten-year old girl. Because the defense attorney had stipulated to allowing the results of the polygraph tests to be admitted into court, the jury had heard that he failed the polygraph and convicted him. The now 22-year-old accuser admitted that the rape never happened.

In 2004, detectives suspected Kevin Fox of the molestation and murder of his four-year-old daughter. Fox agreed to take a polygraph exam, which he was told he failed. He was then interrogated and as a result, he confessed. Fox spent eight months in prison on a capital murder charge before DNA evidence cleared him.



Failed Polygraph sends innocent man to prison for 15 years...Read PDF here

The 1.8 Million Polygraph Failure… Read here

 

[desquire]

Bumping the original post to see if anyone else has any examples.

When I first saw it, I took the original post to be a rhetorical question. I'm suprised that people were able to come up with any examples since it's not the type of infor that would normally be public.

 

[Calliope]

Because, IMO, she is a classic case of narcissistic personalily disorder and she never believed that anyone would suspect such a GOOD stepmom in the first place. She's not persuing visitation with baby K because she knows Kaine, Desiree, and LE have the goods on her. If she were innocent of the MFH, she'd be bold and brazen about a FALSE allegation and RO waged against her. She hired HOUZE instead.

With respect, that really doesn't answer my questions.

She was pretty bold and brazen and outspoken about being the focus of Kyron's disappearance; does that imply she's innocent?