Has anyone else brought up the similarities between The Freeway Phantom and Colonial Parkway Killer

[cherrymeg]

I agree with you that a strange white guy would stand out although of course I have never lived in the US. I will look that up on Netflix. Of course I do not know who the offender is in this case but there are some similarities to the Oakland Child Murders where the children were washed as well. My suspect in other Virginian crimes would have only been more or less a boy himself at the time of these crimes. Interesting subjects although of course horrible though. Cheers.

What would be the reason to clean the feet? The Oakland Child murders always fascinated me and scared me. The one victim was fed his favorite food that his mom stated when asking for his return on TV. Is cleaning the body or clothes a ritual or a countermeasure to get rid of evidence? Watching the mother on TV and feeding her child before killing him isn't a comfort it would be horrible to know that while you begged for your child's return he was alive and his killer was watching you. Brenda asking about her mom seeing her could be a taunt. These killers get off on the mother's pain.

 

[cherrymeg]

@jaejae Do you think their could have been two people like an adult and a teen that worked together as the Freeway Phantom? Using a kid around the same age as the girls to lure them into a car or house wouldn't standout and it would make the girls think they were safe. I think there could be overlap with victims being attributed to certain killer/s. The Colonial Parkway seems to be couples. Unless someone that helped abduct young girls grew up with their own murderous tendencies. Couples and girls that are as young as ten seem like a very different type of victim. The Freeway Phantom seems older for some reason. Even if he was in his twenties he had preference for young girls, as sickening as this is to say, normal people have a type when dating and what they are attracted to and this behavior deviates from normal so he is going on attraction and an urge to kill (ew). Kidnapping, rape and murder are not the same as dating but if the attraction begins in a similar way do they kind of stick with a certain type? Peddophiles that don't kill usually stick to kids in a certain age range. I would guess the Freeway phantom had other victims.

 

[jaejae]

What would be the reason to clean the feet? The Oakland Child murders always fascinated me and scared me. The one victim was fed his favorite food that his mom stated when asking for his return on TV. Is cleaning the body or clothes a ritual or a countermeasure to get rid of evidence? Watching the mother on TV and feeding her child before killing him isn't a comfort it would be horrible to know that while you begged for your child's return he was alive and his killer was watching you. Brenda asking about her mom seeing her could be a taunt. These killers get off on the mother's pain.

Interesting points. I did not know about one of the victims being fed his favourite food. The answer to your questions is I do of course not have all the answers. I would say the cleansing of the child might be a little bit of both an attempt to destroy evidence and a ritual. It might also be the killer in their own twisted mind feeling some guilt. It is of course difficult to say but the destroying of evidence must be one of the motives. I definitely think letting Brenda ask about her Mom and those phone calls were a taunt. In the case of Amy Mihaljevic the killer in that case allowed her to phone home to say she was ok. On reflection the feeding of a victim there favourite food was a taunt and also saying the killer was now in control of their life. To put it crudely you can have one last favourite meal under my control before I end your life. Thanks

 

[jaejae]

@jaejae Do you think their could have been two people like an adult and a teen that worked together as the Freeway Phantom? Using a kid around the same age as the girls to lure them into a car or house wouldn't standout and it would make the girls think they were safe. I think there could be overlap with victims being attributed to certain killer/s. The Colonial Parkway seems to be couples. Unless someone that helped abduct young girls grew up with their own murderous tendencies. Couples and girls that are as young as ten seem like a very different type of victim. The Freeway Phantom seems older for some reason. Even if he was in his twenties he had preference for young girls, as sickening as this is to say, normal people have a type when dating and what they are attracted to and this behavior deviates from normal so he is going on attraction and an urge to kill (ew). Kidnapping, rape and murder are not the same as dating but if the attraction begins in a similar way do they kind of stick with a certain type? Peddophiles that don't kill usually stick to kids in a certain age range. I would guess the Freeway phantom had other victims.

Again not that satisfactory the answer would be I do not know for sure but I feel the Freeway Phantom was one lone offender. I think it is a possibility that a Serial Killer that starts out young may have young victims amongst some of his first. Yes there are paedophile killers out there who just target children as there are those that target men as it involves people who are different. The point I want to make is I do not think the twisted minds of some serial killers really work on an age basis. Hence they do not ask for the driving of their victims to check they are eighteen and what is the difference in a sick way between killing a sixteen year old and a thirteen year old. As I say I do feel younger serial killers may start with victims nearer their age in some cases not all as they may be easier to control. With regards to the Colonial Parkway Murders and the Freeway Phantom Murders being connected if you notice I did not start the thread. They are on the face of it completely different series of crimes in nature but what they do have in common is geographical location and the fact the victims profile of serial killers is often more varied than people may think. Thanks.

 

[jaejae]

Again not that satisfactory the answer would be I do not know for sure but I feel the Freeway Phantom was one lone offender. I think it is a possibility that a Serial Killer that starts out young may have young victims amongst some of his first. Yes there are paedophile killers out there who just target children as there are those that target men as it involves people who are different. The point I want to make is I do not think the twisted minds of some serial killers really work on an age basis. Hence they do not ask for the driving of their victims to check they are eighteen and what is the difference in a sick way between killing a sixteen year old and a thirteen year old. As I say I do feel younger serial killers may start with victims nearer their age in some cases not all as they may be easier to control. With regards to the Colonial Parkway Murders and the Freeway Phantom Murders being connected if you notice I did not start the thread. They are on the face of it completely different series of crimes in nature but what they do have in common is geographical location and the fact the victims profile of serial killers is often more varied than people may think. Thanks.

This is a joke really on a board about very unfunny subjects. My specialist knowledge is the Colonial Parkway Murders and do not listen to anyone if they tell you any different

 

[cherrymeg]

Again not that satisfactory the answer would be I do not know for sure but I feel the Freeway Phantom was one lone offender. I think it is a possibility that a Serial Killer that starts out young may have young victims amongst some of his first. Yes there are paedophile killers out there who just target children as there are those that target men as it involves people who are different. The point I want to make is I do not think the twisted minds of some serial killers really work on an age basis. Hence they do not ask for the driving of their victims to check they are eighteen and what is the difference in a sick way between killing a sixteen year old and a thirteen year old. As I say I do feel younger serial killers may start with victims nearer their age in some cases not all as they may be easier to control. With regards to the Colonial Parkway Murders and the Freeway Phantom Murders being connected if you notice I did not start the thread. They are on the face of it completely different series of crimes in nature but what they do have in common is geographical location and the fact the victims profile of serial killers is often more varied than people may think. Thanks.

You will like MindHunter. It's about the FBI interviewing serial killers. It's based on a book. You might want to check it out.
https://www.amazon.com/Mindhunter-Inside-Elite-Serial-Crime/dp/1501191969

The questions you are asking are what they are trying to figure out. I think you are right about younger predators. Do the killers that have a victim preference change that with age. Would a 20 year old serial killer's taste change when he is 50? Can you ever trust a killer to answer that question honestly? Sorry I know you didn't start the thread. You seem to have an interesting take on the crimes. Do you ever wonder if victims in general get lumped in with those of serial killers when they are killed by a different person? It's terrifying when you realize how many perverts can be in the same area undetected. The Freeway Phantom makes the killer seem like someone that drives through murders and leaves town. It's gives people comfort to think their neighbors aren't going to kill their children. What if that kind of thought kept people from looking inward. Just like ignoring younger suspects.
What age do you think The Phantom was?

 

[jaejae]

You will like MindHunter. It's about the FBI interviewing serial killers. It's based on a book. You might want to check it out.
https://www.amazon.com/Mindhunter-Inside-Elite-Serial-Crime/dp/1501191969

The questions you are asking are what they are trying to figure out. I think you are right about younger predators. Do the killers that have a victim preference change that with age. Would a 20 year old serial killer's taste change when he is 50? Can you ever trust a killer to answer that question honestly? Sorry I know you didn't start the thread. You seem to have an interesting take on the crimes. Do you ever wonder if victims in general get lumped in with those of serial killers when they are killed by a different person? It's terrifying when you realize how many perverts can be in the same area undetected. The Freeway Phantom makes the killer seem like someone that drives through murders and leaves town. It's gives people comfort to think their neighbors aren't going to kill their children. What if that kind of thought kept people from looking inward. Just like ignoring younger suspects.
What age do you think The Phantom was?

You do not have to say sorry I just meant that someone had thought about a possible connection. I think when a large scale serial killer gets arrested some crimes will be attributed to him he might not have committed and the flip side of this the full scale of their crimes may never been known so some missing persons cases might not be attributed to them. I am sure LE do their best to connect all the cases they can and identify all the unknown victims but I would say it is difficult to get a 100% per cent accurate figure for all the victims of each serial killer. I agree if you look at the Long Island Killer and Killings Fields cases these appear to be dumping grounds for a number of killers and this is likely more frightening in a way than one prolific killer. I could not say for certain how old the Freeway Phantom Killer was but what I will say if he is the Colonial Parkway Killer he was just a boy himself really. Thanks for the interesting posts and I will look at Mindhunter but I am signing off posting on Websleuths for tonight to give everyone a rest

 

[BlackCloud]

This is wikipedia.
Colonial Parkway murders - Wikipedia

Wikipedia is completely unreliable....

 

[cherrymeg]

Wikipedia is completely unreliable....

It's not 100% and you can't use it if you are citing a source for an academic paper but it gives you a summary of what you are looking up. It also gives you links and names to get further information.

 

[BlackCloud]

Ok but many of those links and names are useless or off topic. This is the problem....

 

[cherrymeg]

Ok but many of those links and names are useless or off topic. This is the problem....

Is page on this case wrong? Does it list the wrong victims? Is something missing? Wikipedia is usually pretty good if you want basic facts for non scholarly purposes.

 

[cherrymeg]

Ok but many of those links and names are useless or off topic. This is the problem....

Do you want me to delete the link. Someone mentioned a killer being found and it didn't seem to be the case. I choose that link because it was the most concise and it wasn't an opinion or blog or FB page.

 

[BlackCloud]

I've been using Wikipedia so many times. In my humble opinion it really sucks.
I'm not saying you can't find information on Wikipedia. I'm not even saying you can't find basic facts...I'm saying almost all information are biased.
Sometimes they're just fake, sometimes they're just not facts but interpretations. Nothing more.
That's why I say Wikipedia sucks at giving us good information. It's more propaganda than information.

 

[BlackCloud]

Do you want me to delete the link. Someone mentioned a killer being found and it didn't seem to be the case. I choose that link because it was the most concise and it wasn't an opinion or blog or FB page.

No. I don't want you to delete the thing. If you don't want to, don't do it.
But the point is always this: Wikipedia is the worst place to seek information.

 

[cherrymeg]

No. I don't want you to delete the thing. If you don't want to, don't do it.
But the point is always this: Wikipedia is the worst place to seek information.

It can me bad depending on how you use it and what you are looking for. If someone wants to look up links on their own that's up to them. I couldn't find a credible news source that made any mention of the killer being caught. Wikipedia might be questionable but it isn't someone's opinion. If what I posted has incorrect info let me know. The colonial park killer has not been identified, right? I mean by LE.

 

[BlackCloud]

I wasn't talking about what you posted. I don't know if what you posted is correct or incorrect. Maybe it's absolutely correct.
But, generally, what you can find on Wikipedia is nothing more than propaganda or "letting your imagination run free".
Or pure BS...

 

[cherrymeg]

I wasn't talking about what you posted. I don't know if what you posted is correct or incorrect. Maybe it's absolutely correct.
But, generally, what you can find on Wikipedia is nothing more than propaganda or "letting your imagination run free".
Or pure BS...

I've found it to be fairly reliable for things where you just want facts. Like if you are reading a novel or watching a show based on a historical figure it usually gives you general info that lines up with more peer reviewed texts. It's pretty factual on science.

 

[cherrymeg]

I wasn't talking about what you posted. I don't know if what you posted is correct or incorrect. Maybe it's absolutely correct.
But, generally, what you can find on Wikipedia is nothing more than propaganda or "letting your imagination run free".
Or pure BS...

I know kids use it as a shortcut when writing papers or instead of reading an actual book. I was an English major and was warned on the dangers of Wikipedia. I wouldn't trust it to summarize a novel.

 

[jaejae]

It's not 100% and you can't use it if you are citing a source for an academic paper but it gives you a summary of what you are looking up. It also gives you links and names to get further information.

I still think Wikipedia is pretty good and how do you know the facts used from elsewhere are correct. Plus Wikipedia pages usually have some good links to other articles:

Freeway Phantom - Wikipedia

Freeway Phantom

Case 121: The Freeway Phantom - Casefile: True Crime Podcast

 

[Betty P]

I was more asking if that area and at that time would a strange white man stand out. An adult man talking to young girls at malls or asking them for directions is now considered creepy now. Race narrows down suspects. If the guy was white and local, a store clerk, teacher, cop, someone that kids would see regularly, adults wouldn't think speaking to a kid was weird.
If you watched MindHunter on Netflix they focused on the Atlanta Child Killings. One of the FBI guys does an experiment by going up to a group of black kids in a playground area. The neighbors are already on alert. The kids don't trust him a neighbor tells him to leave them alone. I don't know if that is based on truth. I know there are debates about Wayne Williams and if he was the only one responsible.

If Brenda was killed by someone that knew her mom and was white that would eliminate black men in her life. By in her life I mean people she worked with encountered at stores, the bank, someone she would say hello to and know their name maybe.

As someone who was an adult during the Atlanta child murders, the cases were garnering a HUGE amount of national news media coverage at the time. Once they were identified as serial killings, each murder was reported extensively on the front pages. I'm kind of surprised some folks are still implying that Wayne Williams wasn't guilty of murdering those kids. When a serial killer is on the loose, covered almost daily in the national news, there's very little chance that it's a white man trolling a large black neighborhood to kidnap and kill children. The neighborhoods were crawling with undercover LE, there was wall to wall news coverage and the killer was still taking a child every week or two.

Wayne Williams was the killer, no one else.