Has anyone ever seen the former Ramsey house in person?

[Tadpole12]

Is there a list of BC crimes 1996, 1997, somewhere?
Is there a thread here?

 

[Tadpole12]

BC Police blotter, 2009, 2008, 2007:

http://ci.boulder.co.us/index.php?o...&id=601&Itemid=99999999&limit=30&limitstart=0

 

[weasel]

Can't jump to conclusions on the dogs. For one thing, it was very cold that night. I doubt many were outside. I don't recall if the neighbors directly on either side had dogs. It would not have been difficult for someone to prowl around the house unobserved. I walked across the street from the house, past the Barnhills, and Jacques was barking his head off in the window....but it was daytime. I walked around the block, and except for one house a few houses away from the Ramseys, didn't notice any dogs.

Exactly. It was cold outside and it was Christmas Eve. How many people would have either been away from home or entertaining guests?

 

[weasel]

Hi everyone-
I lived in Boulder in 1996 (only 1 mile from the Ramsey house) and drove past the house many times right after the murder even when the crime scene tape was up. I also know many people who lived in "the hill" as the neighborhood is called. The house does not look like the mansion it is when you drive by it on the road- it looks like any other suburban house.

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Thanks Colorado Teacher, it is always interesting to hear from someone that was actually around when crimes take place and can give us the feel of the area.

Yes, thanks for the insight on the neighborhood.

 

[arielilane]

Hi everyone-
I lived in Boulder in 1996 (only 1 mile from the Ramsey house) and drove past the house many times right after the murder even when the crime scene tape was up. I also know many people who lived in "the hill" as the neighborhood is called. The house does not look like the mansion it is when you drive by it on the road- it looks like any other suburban house. The bulk of the house is in back and there is not a lot of yard. The entire hill is a real mix of people- it is a place where students live in rented houses among people who own houses there themselves. In the early 90's Boulder had a crazy rise in housing prices and all houses in boulder became outrageously priced, so rich people started buying the old homes on the hill. It is only 2-3 blocks from the campus of the University of Colorado. Neighbors were literally on top of one another and yards were very tiny there.
I now live in Longmont, which is the town next to boulder.
I have a few other connections to the case- I nannied for a girl at the time and she saw the same physician- Dr. Beuf. He was the best pediatrician in Boulder and all parents who could, sent their kids to him. He seemed realy nice and sincere.
Additionally, I was attending University of Colorado at the time to be a teacher and in January of 1997, I made an appointment to check out martin park elementary (ever the crime sleuth even back then), which housed the charter type school jon benet and burke went to. I saw her classroom and even saw her picture on the wall.
Boulder is a weird town- politcially extremely liberal with people walking around with no shoes and with dogs in restaurants, but very conservative when it comes to their kids. The cops were often thought of as bumbling since their main goal was to prosecute people who didn't drive correctly when around the NUMEROUS bicyclers in town. They looked the other way for marijuana offense but were extremely hard on underage drinking. I can definitely see why people thought they would bungle it.
It is also very boulder to not accept help. they really think they are better than the entire rest of the state of colorado.
It's very easy to find (Ramsey House) take US 36 into boulder from denver, get off at Baseline, make a left and take all the way until you see 15th street on your right- turn right and it is on the left side of the street. Hope this helps!

Thank you for sharing coteacher! Welcome to WS and we look forward to hearing more from you.

 

[coloradoteacher]

You're so welcome! I am enjoying being around other people who think like me

 

[Maikai]

Exactly. It was cold outside and it was Christmas Eve. How many people would have either been away from home or entertaining guests?

A lot of people left Boulder over the holidays. I was in Denver at the time, but I remember it was very very cold there that night. I suppose some aren't as wimpy as me when it comes to the cold, but I found it hard to believe someone could have stayed outside too long. I also remember the streetlights in the Ramsey neighborhood were very low level---figured it was a Boulder-thing to save energy---but the neighborhood around 6 at night was very dark during Christmas.

 

[TinaD]

Exactly. It was cold outside and it was Christmas Eve. How many people would have either been away from home or entertaining guests?

I don't mean to be picky, but actually it was Christmas night. Doesn't make any difference to the temperature, though,

 

[Anniegirl]

Check my photo album in my Profile here if you want to see some of the pictures from that trip.

The homes on that street seemed so close to each other which surprised me, and the Ramsey home pretty much takes up all of the land, so there it sits right off the road and with a very small backyard that meets that creepy alley.

When you see it for yourself, it is even harder to believe the Ramseys version on many issues........like John stripping off his clothes to slide down into the basement window when he was allegedly locked out of the house.

.like John stripping off his clothes to slide down into the basement window when he was allegedly locked out of the house.

Hehe... now thats a visual.

:blowkiss::blowkiss: To my favorite rat

 

[RiverRat]

Hehe... now thats a visual.

:blowkiss::blowkiss: To my favorite rat

I'm thinking that is my Number One Not Favorite Image.

:hug:
RR

 

[Nedthan Johns]

I've been by the house several times over the years. You will be surprised how close the other homes are, the dark, narrow alley, and the hodgepodge of residents in the neighborhood. It is NOT a gated community. There is an iron gate around it now, and large fir trees in the front, but it is very recognizable. At night--especially around Christmas when many people are gone, it is very dark in the neighborhood. There are scrapeoffs and popups in the area (homes that were expanded)....a fair amount of student housing, and original small homes. Some original neighbors are there, some moved away. While there, checkout Pearl Street, Access Graphic, and the Hotel Boulderado. Pasta Jay's is still there on Pearl Street. Food not bad if you like garlic. Unless you visit the area, you can't get a good feel for what it was like. There is a hodgepodge of people, and a large transcient population. A lot of the transcients were pushed off Pearl Street to the University Hill area.

Yes, I now only live about 20 minutes from this house. I grew up in Boulder. This is a busy street. A fence was put up around the house. Very close to other homes. You will be amazed at the amount of traffic and people on the street in that area due to being relatively close to the University. You will recognize the house however instantly.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

I don't mean to be picky, but actually it was Christmas night. Doesn't make any difference to the temperature, though,

From first hand knowledge the town pretty much clears out for Christmas. Most of the university kids go home for Christmas

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Can't jump to conclusions on the dogs. For one thing, it was very cold that night. I doubt many were outside. I don't recall if the neighbors directly on either side had dogs. It would not have been difficult for someone to prowl around the house unobserved. I walked across the street from the house, past the Barnhills, and Jacques was barking his head off in the window....but it was daytime. I walked around the block, and except for one house a few houses away from the Ramseys, didn't notice any dogs.

Given the emensity of the house, although in close proximity to other homes I would not rule out an intruder had there been more evidence to suggest so. I don't buy the peanut material being found on the basement floor and a scuff mark on the wall as sufficient evidence of an intruder. The only thing that does not add up in this case is the foreign DNA. Everything else points to Pasty.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

One of the neighbors directly BESIDE of the Ramsey's, said that their dog barked at everything and anything..and he was outside. He was also outside when the policeman went over to the neighbor's house to interview them, and the dog barked at him. Apparently the dog was an outside dog. They have fur, and it keeps them warm. Anyway...I trust what the next door neighbor said....they know their own dog better than any of us do.

2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000

ST Page 41

"While the house search went on, other cops fanned out to canvass the neighborhood and conduct more interviews. A resident directly to the south reported that the light was off in the southeast corner sunroom of the Ramsey home and thought that was odd because it was the only time she was aware in the past few years that it did not burn all night. A neighbor to the north would say that the butler kitchen lights were on around midnight and considered that unusual since it was the first time he had noticed that light being on in the Ramsey home. A third neighbor, to the west, said that her dogs, who barked at anyone walking in the alley, just as they did when the police officer came to question her, made no noise Wednesday night."
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Although witness accounts can be wrong, I don't see how all three of these neighbors were wrong with their observations that evening. It wasn't a normal night it was Christmas Eve. I found the quote that the kitchen lights were on around midnight to be telling.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

What basis did your relative have for claiming that the Boulder cops would screw it up? Did they know that it was quite possible that that initial cops on the scene were capable of being mislead by a staged crime scene?

NOW - I have the Boulder pics back up in my album.....just in case anyone checked since my last post!

I can comment to this having grown up in Boulder and still having relatives there. Boulder has always been known as the off-beat, odd-ball city of Colorado. Very liberal. As a kid I would see different cult groups walking up and down the block. Boulder is full of "free spirits". Very earthy, very hippy.

Murders in Boulder were few and far between. The cops are not used to handling murders which is why they pulled a narcotics officer Thomas off the street to handle this case. Now I support Thomas 100% but the way the case was handled from the get go was unprofessional. Yahoo's taking their best crack at a murder case and making blunders all along the way, right down to the way they controlled the scene by leaving only one officer with the family and letting their friends in.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Hi everyone-
I lived in Boulder in 1996 (only 1 mile from the Ramsey house) and drove past the house many times right after the murder even when the crime scene tape was up. I also know many people who lived in "the hill" as the neighborhood is called. The house does not look like the mansion it is when you drive by it on the road- it looks like any other suburban house. The bulk of the house is in back and there is not a lot of yard. The entire hill is a real mix of people- it is a place where students live in rented houses among people who own houses there themselves. In the early 90's Boulder had a crazy rise in housing prices and all houses in boulder became outrageously priced, so rich people started buying the old homes on the hill. It is only 2-3 blocks from the campus of the University of Colorado. Neighbors were literally on top of one another and yards were very tiny there.
I now live in Longmont, which is the town next to boulder.
I have a few other connections to the case- I nannied for a girl at the time and she saw the same physician- Dr. Beuf. He was the best pediatrician in Boulder and all parents who could, sent their kids to him. He seemed realy nice and sincere.
Additionally, I was attending University of Colorado at the time to be a teacher and in January of 1997, I made an appointment to check out martin park elementary (ever the crime sleuth even back then), which housed the charter type school jon benet and burke went to. I saw her classroom and even saw her picture on the wall.
Boulder is a weird town- politcially extremely liberal with people walking around with no shoes and with dogs in restaurants, but very conservative when it comes to their kids. The cops were often thought of as bumbling since their main goal was to prosecute people who didn't drive correctly when around the NUMEROUS bicyclers in town. They looked the other way for marijuana offense but were extremely hard on underage drinking. I can definitely see why people thought they would bungle it.
It is also very boulder to not accept help. they really think they are better than the entire rest of the state of colorado.
It's very easy to find (Ramsey House) take US 36 into boulder from denver, get off at Baseline, make a left and take all the way until you see 15th street on your right- turn right and it is on the left side of the street. Hope this helps!

100% accurate depiction. I live in Longmont now too! I hate the thought of even having to drive into Boulder and still have relatives that live there.

 

[RiverRat]

I can comment to this having grown up in Boulder and still having relatives there. Boulder has always been known as the off-beat, odd-ball city of Colorado. Very liberal. As a kid I would see different cult groups walking up and down the block. Boulder is full of "free spirits". Very earthy, very hippy.

Murders in Boulder were few and far between. The cops are not used to handling murders which is why they pulled a narcotics officer Thomas off the street to handle this case. Now I support Thomas 100% but the way the case was handled from the get go was unprofessional. Yahoo's taking their best crack at a murder case and making blunders all along the way, right down to the way they controlled the scene by leaving only one officer with the family and letting their friends in.

Learn something new everyday! I did not know that tidbit, your little Boulderite you, Ned! How did I miss that one?!

And yes - we should all support Steve.....without him, this case would have had it's Victory, but what more can The Man do after screaming out to the world about the happenings behind the Granola Curtain?!