Has the case fizzled a bit?

I think that there are too many skeletons in the Boulder LE closet- incompetence, corruption, etc. Along with that, we have the death of one of the suspects and the immunity of another (because of age at the time) and you have the possibility of a trial that will never come to anything. It is a dead-end trial. The charges that could be brought against JR DO have limitation statues. I so not think they could charge him with murder at this point, or even manslaughter because it would be impossible to prove he acted alone. Without being able to show exactly WHAT he did, and with not being able to mention what BR may have done, this would be futile. And I think these reasons are why nothing has or will be done.
We know what happened- but not exactly. I think THEY know what happened-but not exactly. And it can't be known exactly now.

Let's say someday someone else takes over the investigation ...can they bring JR back in for questioning?if for ex new tests are conducted and something else is found that points to RDI/JDI?of course he will say NO but....ugh....just wishful thinking....there are so many cold cases which have been solved lately after someone with guts took over....it's a pity
 
The problem is that there is not anyone to have the guts to bring this case forward. I think the biggest reason is that they are afraid of the JR attorneys. I, for one, would like to see it proceed, just to see if the expenses could put JR into bankruptcy. I don't think his buddy LW would stick around if JR couldn't afford to spend another fortune. I don't have much hope that this will happen, but it would be be some sort of justice, knowing he has been demoted from millionaire to pauper. He claimed to be broke a few years ago, so I wonder what his status is now?
 
The problem is that there is not anyone to have the guts to bring this case forward. I think the biggest reason is that they are afraid of the JR attorneys.

Yep,and not only that,they are afraid of their own mistakes (LE and DA)....this would be one of the biggest defence arguments,LE contaminated the crime scene,the scene wasn't properly secured,the coroners mistakes (mentioned in ST's book) when examining the body in the home,etc

that's why IMO the only hope is some new fresh pair of eyes+ an unstained reputation
 
It's just too bad that J. Kolar and S. Thomas can't go back and take care of this. For me that would be our "Dream Team." Here I am, again, with my wishful thinking. I call it my optimistic outlook, or my glass is half full, but it's been a long time since the GJ decision, and nothing was done. Well - there's always hope, and lots of prayers, and maybe a grand surprise for us all!
 
Let's say someday someone else takes over the investigation ...can they bring JR back in for questioning?if for ex new tests are conducted and something else is found that points to RDI/JDI?of course he will say NO but....ugh....just wishful thinking....there are so many cold cases which have been solved lately after someone with guts took over....it's a pity

No one can be "brought in for questioning". No one can EVER be compelled to talk to police. Even if he was arrested, he still has the right to remain silent. In this case, the DA has to determine that there is sufficient evidence to arrest him on some matter related to the death of JB or the obstruction of justice related to same, etc. That will never happen, even if someone new takes over.
Even if a new Grand Jury is convened, he can be subpoenaed but can invoke his 5th Amendment right to remain silent.
When the R were questioned previously, their lawyers made sure that enough time had passed that they could claim they "didn't remember" anything. And if you read the interviews, you will see that there were a great many questions their lawyers did not allow them to answer. To me, the questions they were not allowed to answer is virtual proof of their involvement. They know what happened to their daughter, and always have.
 
I don't understand this Topic what so ever ase .Has this case fizzled a bit well lets see it happend like 15 years ago and no one is in jail and were still talking about the same stuff that we were since the first year lol I mean that's like asking do you think bell bottoms have lost thier appeal since they stopped making them 20 years ago. LoL i don't to sound rude but doesn;t commen sence play a roll here somewhere...
 
I don't understand this Topic what so ever ase .Has this case fizzled a bit well lets see it happend like 15 years ago and no one is in jail and were still talking about the same stuff that we were since the first year lol I mean that's like asking do you think bell bottoms have lost thier appeal since they stopped making them 20 years ago. LoL i don't to sound rude but doesn;t commen sence play a roll here somewhere...

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well that's the point,we are still talking cause we hope someone will end up in jail someday,someone has to keep this case alive because all the ones officially involved would love to make it all just go away.they all hoped to shut our mouths when announcing (conveniently) that basically all we have to do is wait for a dna match now,even if this is definitely not the solution to this case.sending the case back to police was also a cowardly move IMO...all they do is say that the case is still open (convenient,this way the files will never become public) and they check every lead (yeah right).Justice for Jonbenet? ...her parents and family didn't want it,the prosecutors didn't want it,there must be someone who still wants the guilty party to PAY.
 
it's not like I am on a personal mission or something,nor am I obsessed with John Ramsey or his wealth nor am I jealous of his status...I don't hate him,I don't want him to suffer...but he lied to my face (and all the rest of us) and thinks he's smarter and better than everyone and thinks he got away with it ...the thing is we're not stupid and that's what I honestly want him to pay for...his arrogance....money and connections don't make you a better liar and actor...dunno if he killed JB (he's my nr 1 suspect but I can't prove it) but I am 100% sure that he KNOWS who did.that's the only thing I am totally sure of...and this is the start for all my theories.he KNOWS.whether it was him,his wife,his son or one of his enemies,he KNOWS...and it's frustrating...he might be the ONLY person who could enlighten everybody....and until he's gone I will be here hoping someone makes him spill the beans!
 
I don't understand this Topic what so ever ase .Has this case fizzled a bit well lets see it happend like 15 years ago and no one is in jail and were still talking about the same stuff that we were since the first year lol I mean that's like asking do you think bell bottoms have lost thier appeal since they stopped making them 20 years ago. LoL i don't to sound rude but doesn;t commen sence play a roll here somewhere...

The topic was asking if the case has fizzled since Kolar's book was released back in July. And we aren't talking about the same things "we" (although most of us were not here back then) were in 1997 since plenty of information has come out since then. There is so much information about this case that there are many, many different discussions that can we had about it.
 
There have been cold cases from 20 or more years ago that have been solved. For years none of us knew that the GJ voted to indict the R's, and because AH felt he couldn't win the case he made it appear that the GJ voted not guilty. This was shameful, and I believe it revived our interest. James Kolar's book also gave us info about things we did not know.
Soon we are hoping to hear that SD's book will be out, and I am anxiously waiting for it.
We always have hope - and that is good, because when there is no hope, all is lost.
 
I don't understand this Topic what so ever ase .Has this case fizzled a bit well lets see it happend like 15 years ago and no one is in jail and were still talking about the same stuff that we were since the first year lol I mean that's like asking do you think bell bottoms have lost thier appeal since they stopped making them 20 years ago. LoL i don't to sound rude but doesn;t commen sence play a roll here somewhere...

When I first posted this topic, it was sort of hot off the back of the Kolar book and John Ramsey releasing his book and no analysis seemed to be happening in the media (aside from a series of soft interviews with Mr Ramsey and some articles on Kolar's book).

But that was it.

Nothing else was happening.

Now I know it's been 15 years and people move on (except here clearly :P ) but consider a few things.

Jack the Ripper was 120 years ago, yet there is a seemingly continuous re-examination of the facts, broader search for evidence, constant speculation and conversation. Occasional movies and tv shows etc.

Same with several other unsolved cases from a long time ago - speculation continues on these. We have a number here in Australia that continue to play out in the media, cold cases from the 1960s and 1970s which benefit from advances in evidence examination and the like.

What makes this case different from my point of view is that people seem to take their point of view personally, and the problem with that is that it actually stifles a lot of the debate as well as the potential for clear and rational debate AWAY from a forum such as Websleuths.

Sure, the Casey Anthony case had a feeling of being personal to a lot of people, but the majority of the general public thought she did it, there wasn't a different split in beliefs away from the forums as there was in the forums - something very different to the JonBenet case.

I'll give you (cos you didn't ask) my reasons for the wider split in the JBR case as opposed to other cases, including those mentioned above.

1. First Impressions - The Ramsey's played it well at the start and got people on side - and once you pick a side, it's very hard to let go and change.

2. Ignorance - Joe Public doesn't go into depth with crime information, they go by what they hear, and initially (and pretty much ever since) they've heard "intruder this, intruder that". It's like my first point, but reinforced over the last 15 years with not one single program outright saying "it wasn't an intruder"

3. Religion - Religious folks, especially people as religious/righteous as the Ramsey family don't kill people, so I support them, and any attack on them is an attack on God-fearing folks everywhere (this seems to be a US thing, we aren't as forgiving or faith-oriented in Australia)

4. Patsy's dead - If one of the suspects is dead, the public lose interest.

5. Time - If they've gone 15 years without a conviction, then surely it's not the parents, so it must be an intruder - and they've probably died or got away.

So yes, the case HAS fizzled - not because we here in Websleuths, a fantastic place, but not exactly a snapshot of the general public's views or comprehension of the case, have lost interest, but because people in the real world think of the case in the way I detailed above.

I know no offence was meant, but I don't think you thought about the point before you answered. And don't pick on my bell bottoms! :D
 
This is a big reason why (IMO) this case is different from many others....Say 48 Hours wants to do a new show on the case. Now whenever a show decides to a program on a case, they are going to contact the family. So John decides he will talk. So obviously, the program is going to be IDI. Now if John refuses, then 48 Hours asks BPD/DA to participate. They aren't fans of the media spotlight, so we know that they would refuse too. The case is 17 years old, so having a show filled with people who do not have a direct connection to a case is not something any producer is going to do. Then, if the show goes ahead with an RDI approach, they risk being sued by John. Heck, most hour-long programs on cases (such as Investigation Discovery) tend to be on solved cases, and there's a reason for that. So basically, I think the fact that John will only talk to the media if it's IDI, and most people who are directly connected to the case will not talk to the media at all, is a big reason why we don't see RDI stuff about the case.

Maybe a good case to compare with is the Lindbergh case? I know that in recent years, there has been speculation that Charles Lindbergh accidentally killed his son, and Bruno Hauptmann was innocent. Now, I bet that there was zero media attention to that theory back when the crime happened and for decades afterwards (Lindbergh died in the 70s; His wife in 2001). But now it seems that theory is getting more mainstream attention. So basically what I am saying is that I bet how the Lindbergh case was covered in the media back in the 20th century is different than how it is covered today due to the influence, wealth, and fame of Charles Lindbergh. They can talk about things that would not be able to back then.

Plus this case has already changed a lot in the media already. The tabloids were screaming that the Ramseys did it all through the 90s. Now, we have John doing sympathy interviews all over religious programs, on The View, morning shows, to promote his book comparing himself to Job. Did anyone back in 1997 think the case would end up like this?
 
it's not like I am on a personal mission or something,nor am I obsessed with John Ramsey or his wealth nor am I jealous of his status...I don't hate him,I don't want him to suffer...but he lied to my face (and all the rest of us) and thinks he's smarter and better than everyone and thinks he got away with it ...the thing is we're not stupid and that's what I honestly want him to pay for...his arrogance....money and connections don't make you a better liar and actor...dunno if he killed JB (he's my nr 1 suspect but I can't prove it) but I am 100% sure that he KNOWS who did.that's the only thing I am totally sure of...and this is the start for all my theories.he KNOWS.whether it was him,his wife,his son or one of his enemies,he KNOWS...and it's frustrating...he might be the ONLY person who could enlighten everybody....and until he's gone I will be here hoping someone makes him spill the beans!

:goldcrown: Awesome Post! My #1 suspect, also. I will be waiting with you, Madeleine, and if he does spill the beans, I pray it will bring the justice that JB deserves.
 
The entire family KNOWS what happened to JB that night. And I mean the extended family, too.
 
I think the reason why the media is so IDI despite all the evidence to the contrary is because John and his team are very media-savvy and are very good with PR. Expecting the media to ask John "So what is your opinion on Patsy's handwriting matching the ransom note?" is like expecting the media to grill Tom Cruise on his scientology during an interview. This is the reason why the media is able to embarrass ordinary people on TV but interviews with celebrities are very much to their guidelines. I am not trying to compare the R's to movie stars, but it's the same media that reports on everyone, and the fact that John can still get sympathetic interviews by legitimate media organizations sixteen years after his daughter was found dead in his own home is proof that he has very good media connections/savvy-ness.
 
I think the reason why the media is so IDI despite all the evidence to the contrary is because John and his team are very media-savvy and are very good with PR. Expecting the media to ask John "So what is your opinion on Patsy's handwriting matching the ransom note?" is like expecting the media to grill Tom Cruise on his scientology during an interview. This is the reason why the media is able to embarrass ordinary people on TV but interviews with celebrities are very much to their guidelines. I am not trying to compare the R's to movie stars, but it's the same media that reports on everyone, and the fact that John can still get sympathetic interviews by legitimate media organizations sixteen years after his daughter was found dead in his own home is proof that he has very good media connections/savvy-ness.

ITA, but it also says as much about the media as it does about JR.
 
People who post here feel the horrendousness of this case. It is why trained detectives call it haunting. . A child who had been potty trained by 3 regresses. The stress - of her hectic life, training for pageants, taking all kinds of lessons, and being molested – results in toilet regression. The housekeeper alludes to PR taking JB into the bathroom and hearing many screams from JB – spanking? Vaginal infections over a 3 year period, possibly from hands transferring bacteria. We have: A Dr. who never investigates her problems in any depth. A brother whose issues are not taken seriously enough. How many people let this child down before her death.

Then her corpse is left decaying in a small dark and dank room, until it is conveniently found by JR. Within an hour of the location of the body, JR plans a business trip to Atlanta.

It is a lesson most parents teach their kids, that life is not fair. But in this instance, not only was it not a fair application of justice for the horrendous act of killing a child and desecrating her body, but everything that followed was despicable and a gross abuse of power, meted out for “people of privilege and wealth.”

Yes, money bought the justice system, and it bought public relations. How many people and entities did they sue? How many dollars did they reap off of these lawsuits, and books, off the dead body of their daughter?

Unfortunately for the remaining and extended R family, JB’s death will be discussed and investigated and books written, and this unsolved case study will endure. Even if BDI (striking the head blow), many here don’t believe BR had anything to do with the RN and staging. Sometimes a kind of justice arrives in a different form, such as a very, very long legacy of shame. The case has not “fizzled.” moo.
 
And don't pick on my bell bottoms! :D


:ditto:


males are not usually up to date with fashion trends... they'd have no idea that bell-bottoms are still being made today, except they're now called "flares". and, as someone who worked in retail for several years: they are still as popular as ever :)
 
JR claiming he had a "business meeting" he couldn't miss is one of the more outrageous lies he told. And it seems, once again, LE dropped the ball on calling him out on it.
He also said he wanted to get his family away from danger. Which is it? Because when you change your stories as much as they did- it is obvious they are guilty. That's what guilty people do.
And police never asked him how this "business meeting" came up so quickly when he was scheduled to fly to his summer home to celebrate with his older kids and THEN go on a Disney cruse to celebrate Patsy's 40th birthday.
But immediately after finding his daughter's "kidnapped" body he claims he had a business meeting? If it wasn't such a tragic event it would be comical.
 
But immediately after finding his daughter's "kidnapped" body he claims he had a business meeting? If it wasn't such a tragic event it would be comical.

It's actually disgusting...and creepy (like most of their behavior)...who in their right mind thinks of a meeting right after your child is brutally murdered because of YOU (if we are to believe the RN/which most of us don't anyway,still)

their NEED(survival instinct,self defence,you call it) to leave as far away as possible right after she was found says it all....
 

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