Heart Shaped Sticker And Duct Tape #3

[AZlawyer]

Excuse my long-winded post. Yes, the cutout of the heart backing definitely appears to be a match for the position that it originally came from on the sticker backing sheet. But both are only sticker backings. Are you saying that the actual sticker that would match that outline (would be a perfect fit) is the same sticker that left the residue on the duct tape around the mouth?

And if so, why haven't we seen that sticker? IMO, none of the stickers left on sheets found in KCs possession is an exact match for the sticker found adhered to the cardboard matte.

I think there are at least 2 heart stickers here:
1. (HASN'T BEEN RELEASED BY LE YET, IMO) The one that would be a perfect fit into the sticker backing you demonstrated, which could also be the one that was a match to the residue on the duct tape, and
2. The puffy, 3d tri-color one found adhered to the cardboard matting, listed as found near the remains at the scene --the same one we have seen in the photos.

Do you agree?

Well, LE said they found ONE heart sticker, and they took pictures of it. So my conclusion would be they did NOT find the heart sticker that was on the duct tape (which is probably also the one matching the backer that Casey cut out so carefully and kept with other special items). But that sticker (if that was the one on the duct tape) was just a regular paper-based sticker and might very well have deteriorated from the elements long before LE got there.

Now if anyone had listened to RK back in August and found her back then....it might have been a different story.

 

[justbeachy]

Here's a question:

We've all been referring to the puffy sticker on the CARDBOARD. According to this WESH video (http://www.wesh.com/video/18742269/index.html) they state that the sticker is on the DUCT TAPE. They apparently believe that what we have been calling "cardboard" is actually degraded duct tape and the reporter even points out the fibers at the bottom of it. It starts around the 8 minute mark of the video clip.

Do we have any other info on this? Is it actually duct tape that we've been looking at and not a piece of cardboard? If this has been discussed already, I missed it.

 

[AZlawyer]

Here's a question:

We've all been referring to the puffy sticker on the CARDBOARD. According to this WESH video (http://www.wesh.com/video/18742269/index.html) they state that the sticker is on the DUCT TAPE. They apparently believe that what we have been calling "cardboard" is actually degraded duct tape and the reporter even points out the fibers at the bottom of it. It starts around the 8 minute mark of the video clip.

Do we have any other info on this? Is it actually duct tape that we've been looking at and not a piece of cardboard? If this has been discussed already, I missed it.

I believe it was discussed before and someone posted the original LE report saying it was cardboard.

But if it's duct tape, it isn't the same duct tape as the one that had the sticker residue, because this sticker is still attached. So we've still got 2 stickers...

 

[Lanie]

I really think marellano has found the exact puffy sticker--Stickopotamus brand. I put the one found at the scene and the one marellano found next to each other for comparison:

Keep in mind the one at the scene was probably under water and exposed to the elements for months.

I agree these are a match. You can faintly see the stripes in the sticker found at the remains scene.
Lanie

 

[nittany90]

Here's a question:

We've all been referring to the puffy sticker on the CARDBOARD. According to this WESH video (http://www.wesh.com/video/18742269/index.html) they state that the sticker is on the DUCT TAPE. They apparently believe that what we have been calling "cardboard" is actually degraded duct tape and the reporter even points out the fibers at the bottom of it. It starts around the 8 minute mark of the video clip.

Do we have any other info on this? Is it actually duct tape that we've been looking at and not a piece of cardboard? If this has been discussed already, I missed it.

No -- to my knowledge, it has not been definitely determined whether or not the puffy sticker we see in the photos is on CARDBOARD on DUCT TAPE. Could be bad reporting, could be assumptions, could be true. But, we do also have in the doc drop (list of evidence at the crime scene), an item found described as "heart sticker attached to cardboard matting" (wording my own). I think that's were ALOT of the confusion is coming from.

IMO, looks like degraded previously wet cardboard (you know how it has kind of a honeycomb appearance under the first layer).

Let me see if I can find a link to the actual description on the evidence list.

 

[nittany90]

I believe it was discussed before and someone posted the original LE report saying it was cardboard.

But if it's duct tape, it isn't the same duct tape as the one that had the sticker residue, because this sticker is still attached. So we've still got 2 stickers...[/QUOTE]

(bolded by me)
BINGO!!!

 

[Rumpole]

Excellent food for thought, Hercule.

Obviously the hearts are not the same...but possibly the backing material (matting) is the same. I noted too that they took a page but not a book. If they took a book I would be inclined to believe they did so because a page were missing.

Yes to all you said.

I assumed that page might have been chosen because of a "similar heart" but it is obviously not identical. The matting may be the same, or again just similar.

 

[justbeachy]

I believe it was discussed before and someone posted the original LE report saying it was cardboard.

But if it's duct tape, it isn't the same duct tape as the one that had the sticker residue, because this sticker is still attached. So we've still got 2 stickers...

Thanks for clearing up the cardboard issue. And as far as the residue issue, you are absolutely correct. I was just wondering if the puffy sticker was actually on cardboard or duct tape...I've been working on the assumption that it was cardboard and was thinking I might be wrong. It appears, though, that WESH might be wrong. Thanks!

 

[Rumpole]

I would have agreed with you until this doc dump. But it is pretty apparent that the sticker they found was already stuck to something (the cardboard) and therefore was not stuck to the duct tape. And I respectfully disagree that LE could have found the other sticker at the scene and could "hold back" that information. We went through the disclosure and Sunshine Law requirements in painful detail on another thread a while back, but suffice it to say if they found the "right" sticker they could not hide that information.

You make good sense.

 

[Rumpole]

Here's a question:

We've all been referring to the puffy sticker on the CARDBOARD. According to this WESH video (http://www.wesh.com/video/18742269/index.html) they state that the sticker is on the DUCT TAPE. They apparently believe that what we have been calling "cardboard" is actually degraded duct tape and the reporter even points out the fibers at the bottom of it. It starts around the 8 minute mark of the video clip.

Do we have any other info on this? Is it actually duct tape that we've been looking at and not a piece of cardboard? If this has been discussed already, I missed it.

News reports are so often wrong.

 

[nittany90]

I believe it was discussed before and someone posted the original LE report saying it was cardboard.

But if it's duct tape, it isn't the same duct tape as the one that had the sticker residue, because this sticker is still attached. So we've still got 2 stickers...

Found the link -- sounds like it's definitely cardboard mat

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3464-3513redacted.pdf

Evidence describes it as "piece of cardboard mat with pink raised heart shaped material"

Item #11 on page 37 of the report.

 

[fortytwo]

Things are being taken so far to the literal sense that seeing the forest for the trees becomes the challenge of what is written in the reports. They do not always clarify in detail when they are writing those long drawn out reports or SWs. Again, reading between the lines is neccessary. People need to look beyond what is actually being written in some reports. The facts are still there, but you are not going to get the clarification you desire until trial.

I don't have to wait until it is proven in a court of law as I am allowed my own opinions on what they write. My opinion is the exact location of the sticker was on her mouth and the sticker they found is a "match" to the size plus the shape of the adhesive. This is what caught their attention and caused them to look for the sticker in order to find it then led to the house for further confirmation. So "similar in size" is the wording they chose to use instead of "matching in size"...does it really matter in the overall picture or is picking at it a better idea?!

(bold above by me)

Sorry for "picking", but I can't help pointing out that the reports may seem "long" and "drawn out" because they want to "clarify in detail". We get plenty, I'd say more than plenty of looking "beyond what is actually written" in the reports. Much time and energy is consumed on what can only charitably be described as wild goose chases.

We know that LE spent nine days on their hands and knees covering 1/10th of an acre of swamp jungle to the point of sifting (and by "sifting" we mean running through a fine screen) through the soil several inches deep. We know that they collected everything that didn't grow there and many things that did. They collected bug casings and cigarette butts. It's no surprise that they found a one inch piece of glittery bright red plastic.

We know that the plastic heart was found at least ten ft. south and twenty or thirty ft. west of the remains separated by what had been thick, tangled undergrowth. We know that it was found still adhered to wet, rotting cardboard. We know that it is probably rigid and wouldn't lend itself to being attached to a curved, soft, flexible surface.

We have reason to believe that LE didn't even know about the sticker on the tape until they got the FBI report back more than half way through their search. We know that once appraised of the "heart shaped residue" they would not have required anything more to include heart stickers in their search of the Anthony house.

We know that if LE had not remarked on the discovery of a heart shaped sticker of "similar" size and shape then defense certainly would have, and not in a fashion beneficial to the prosecution.

Taking all of this into account I am quite willing to read "between the lines" and surmise that the particular heart in question had nothing to do with Caylee, and move on to other questions.

 

[Rumpole]

I agree these are a match. You can faintly see the stripes in the sticker found at the remains scene.
Lanie

I agree on the sticker match.

We now need to find where, and on what, CMA placed that sticker.

LE say cardboard mat which I propose is very like, if not identical to, the scrap book page. LE took pains with initial ID and obviously know what "suspected duct tape" looks like, so I am sure it is cardboard.

Perhaps CMA made some sort of collage, and she almost always adds hearts as a flourish.
That page may have been lying around Caylees room, or CMA's room, or even pinned to the wall (popular thing to do). It would be nice to see that page in the background of a photo or an old Greta Tour?

 

[fortytwo]

I would have agreed with you until this doc dump. But it is pretty apparent that the sticker they found was already stuck to something (the cardboard) and therefore was not stuck to the duct tape. And I respectfully disagree that LE could have found the other sticker at the scene and could "hold back" that information. We went through the disclosure and Sunshine Law requirements in painful detail on another thread a while back, but suffice it to say if they found the "right" sticker they could not hide that information.

You make good sense.

This I disagree with.

I am nearly certain that much of the duct tape/sticker information and other info specifically related to the remains and materials first sent to the M.E.s office has not been released yet.

I haven't yet come up with any other explanation for the holes in the evidence data we've had for review from this last doc dump.

 

[Rumpole]

(bold above by me)



Taking all of this into account I am quite willing to read "between the lines" and surmise that the particular heart in question had nothing to do with Caylee, and move on to other questions.

Liked it up until the last bit (Quoted)

I would say "move on" as far as Not the sticker that fell off the skull, but I think there is good circumstantial evidence to suggest it is never the less related to the case.
Just the coincidence of the "heart" obsession of CMA and her tenancy toward "arty" things. Certainly worth persuing as a clue.

 

[nittany90]

We have reason to believe that LE didn't even know about the sticker on the tape until they got the FBI report back more than half way through their search.

Taking all of this into account I am quite willing to read "between the lines" and surmise that the particular heart in question had nothing to do with Caylee, and move on to other questions.

(Respectfully snipped and/or bolded by me)
I agree that most likely, a lot of trash completely unrelated to Caylee's death, was found at the dump site.

And you are absolutely right that LE didn't know anything about the sticker on the duct tape until the duct tape was analyzed by the lab and the sticky residue found. But, then they went back to the site and found a sticker that matched the residue in shape/size.

With Casey's love of heart stickers (we see them everywhere) I cannot bring myself to believe that it is simply coincidental that at least 2 hearts were found in the area of the body. IMO, they are most definitely related and could be very, very important to finding her guilty. IF they found the sticker that was adhered to the duct tape, AND they found the exact sticker sheet amongst KC's personal things, combined with all the other inconsistancies and evidence, well -- that's pretty much slam-dunk in my mind.

JMO.

 

[Theonly1]

Okay, this is how I heard it on local news:

They found Caylee's skull with duct tape still attached. Criminalists in the lab (I'm assuming under microscope or whatnot) noticed the duct tape had a heart-shaped formation of sticky residue. They then collected a heart that was also at the crime scene that seemed to be the "match". The heart had FALLEN OFF the duct tape (and likely fallen onto the cardboard mat). I could be wrong but this is how I understand the situation.

GRATS to whoever found the exact heart sticker brand. That is an exact match to my untrained eye! What does the backing of that heart sticker look like?

 

[fortytwo]

Liked it up until the last bit (Quoted)

I would say "move on" as far as Not the sticker that fell off the skull, but I think there is good circumstantial evidence to suggest it is never the less related to the case.
Just the coincidence of the "heart" obsession of CMA and her tenancy toward "arty" things. Certainly worth persuing as a clue.

I agree, of course.

But in the absence of further data I still feel that for the time being this particular deceased equine has been adequately chastised.

 

[Rumpole]

Okay, this is how I heard it on local news:

They found Caylee's skull with duct tape still attached. Criminalists in the lab (I'm assuming under microscope or whatnot) noticed the duct tape had a heart-shaped formation of sticky residue. They then collected a heart that was also at the crime scene that seemed to be the "match". The heart had FALLEN OFF the duct tape (and likely fallen onto the cardboard mat). I could be wrong but this is how I understand the situation.

GRATS to whoever found the exact heart sticker brand. That is an exact match to my untrained eye! What does the backing of that heart sticker look like?

It is possible that it is the skull sticker that fell onto a piece of cardboard. But also possible that the sticker on the cardboard was on the cardboard all along. I like the second explanation. For one thing, a sticker that falls off something is unlikely to "attach" to cardboard, especially if dirty/ wet or whatever.

 

[Theonly1]

I really think marellano has found the exact puffy sticker--Stickopotamus brand. I put the one found at the scene and the one marellano found next to each other for comparison:

Keep in mind the one at the scene was probably under water and exposed to the elements for months.

Stickopotamus brand--sure looks like the sticker to me!