Heart Shaped Sticker And Duct Tape #3

[Chezhire]

They were both under the book which was under the sign.

J/K.....there was no book, it was only a sign, there's only one knife, there is only one heart sticker.

versus:

wait wait wait, there really ARE 2 heart stickers!!!

I agree with you on the rest of the stuff ;-)

Bold emphasis added by me. This is why LINKS are so helpful.

 

[natsound]

JB was on GR last night and said (I'm paraphrasing) There was no heart shaped residue on the duct tape. No evidence has been released that there was. The heart shaped sticker was found a long way from body in a school yard dump ground. I don't believe any of his spin, but can anyone refer me to evidence refuting this?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3715588/Casey-Anthony-sticker-on-the-duct-tape-Evidence-January-2009

Try this link. It's on page 15 of 18.

 

[ecs5298]

wait wait wait, there really ARE 2 heart stickers!!!

I agree with you on the rest of the stuff ;-)

Where do you see 2 stickers referrenced? The only thing I can find is that when they looked at the duct tape that was on her mouth they could see adhesive residue and they later found a heart shaped sticker on the scene that matched the outline of the adhesive residue. I've only seen one sticker in the crime scene photos. It looks as if it came off the duct tape and ended up on that piece of matte board. We have to remember that all of that was under water and when that sticker came off it could have floated away from the rest of the remains and landed on the matte board.

 

[AZlawyer]

Where do you see 2 stickers referrenced? The only thing I can find is that when they looked at the duct tape that was on her mouth they could see adhesive residue and they later found a heart shaped sticker on the scene that matched the outline of the adhesive residue. I've only seen one sticker in the crime scene photos. It looks as if it came off the duct tape and ended up on that piece of matte board. We have to remember that all of that was under water and when that sticker came off it could have floated away from the rest of the remains and landed on the matte board.

OK, I guess we can say there are 2 possibilities:

1) The One-Sticker Theory: The puffy pink sticker photographed at the scene is, in fact, the same sticker that was stuck to the duct tape. It later got stuck to the cardboard matting. The sticker backing that was carefully cut out and saved in the shoebox is unrelated.

2) The Two-Sticker Theory: The puffy pink sticker photographed at the scene, which was stuck to the cardboard matting, was never stuck to the duct tape. There was another sticker stuck to the duct tape, probably the one that went with the cut-out backing in the shoebox. That second sticker was just made of paper and disintegrated long before LE showed up at the scene.

 

[ecs5298]

OK, I guess we can say there are 2 possibilities:

1) The One-Sticker Theory: The puffy pink sticker photographed at the scene is, in fact, the same sticker that was stuck to the duct tape. It later got stuck to the cardboard matting. The sticker backing that was carefully cut out and saved in the shoebox is unrelated.

2) The Two-Sticker Theory: The puffy pink sticker photographed at the scene, which was stuck to the cardboard matting, was never stuck to the duct tape. There was another sticker stuck to the duct tape, probably the one that went with the cut-out backing in the shoebox. That second sticker was just made of paper and disintegrated long before LE showed up at the scene.

While the sticker cut out on the envelope is intruiging, I don't think it's the one that was placed on the duct tape. They also took a lot of pics of other heart stickers at the house. The bubble heart one is the only one we know for sure was found at the scene. I don't think they were trying to give the impression that the bubble heart came from the envelope.

 

[Chezhire]

While the sticker cut out on the envelope is intruiging, I don't think it's the one that was placed on the duct tape. They also took a lot of pics of other heart stickers at the house. The bubble heart one is the only one we know for sure was found at the scene. I don't think they were trying to give the impression that the bubble heart came from the envelope.

No, but her point is simply that IF the sticker collected at the scene did NOT leave the heart-shaped residue on the duct tape, then it's likely ANOTHER sticker that wasn't recovered did, ergo the "2nd sticker" theory. Whether or not either "fit" in the heart-shaped backing recovered from the Anthony home is still in the air, too...

Honestly - there could be 3 stickers: the one that left the residue, the one recovered at the scene with Caylee's body, and the one that was removed from the heart-shaped backing recovered from the Anthony home.

 

[natsound]

While the sticker cut out on the envelope is intruiging, I don't think it's the one that was placed on the duct tape. They also took a lot of pics of other heart stickers at the house. The bubble heart one is the only one we know for sure was found at the scene. I don't think they were trying to give the impression that the bubble heart came from the envelope.

What a coincidence that a small heart shaped sticker was found at the scene... stuck to something else. But we don't know how close to the remains the sticker was found, do we? We've also not been told the size of the residue on the tape. It could have been a tiny heart, for all we know.

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED: "... We've also not been told the size of the residue on the tape. It could have been a tiny heart, for all we know.

LE described the residue as being similar in size to the sticker recovered at the site where Caylee's body was discovered.
See p3168: "...investigators located (at remains site) a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape"

 

[AZlawyer]

While the sticker cut out on the envelope is intruiging, I don't think it's the one that was placed on the duct tape. They also took a lot of pics of other heart stickers at the house. The bubble heart one is the only one we know for sure was found at the scene. I don't think they were trying to give the impression that the bubble heart came from the envelope.

Well, the sticker backing that was sitting on (not stuck to) the envelope in the shoebox is the only known example of KC cutting out and saving the BACKING of a sticker and putting it in a box of apparent "keepsakes" relating to Caylee, so I think it is likely to be important. It was also on the TOP of the (for the sake of argument) "keepsake box," so apparently the last or one of the last items to be put there.

But I agree that the pink bubble heart sticker definitely did not come from that backing.

So the evidence of the Two-Sticker Theory is:

1) The only heart found at the scene (the pink bubble heart) appears to have been stuck to cardboard matting, rather than to duct tape, and is (a) not the kind of sticker that would stick to duct tape over a curved surface (a mouth) and (b) not the kind of sticker that can get un-stuck from one thing and get accidentally stuck onto something else later.

2) The only heart found at the scene appears to be unconnected to the sticker backing saved in the shoebox, and the sticker backing saved in the shoebox seems like it must be important. Why save a sticker backing unless (a) the sticker itself was placed on something of huge emotional importance and (b) the sticker itself, despite its importance, is no longer in the possession of the person who is saving the backing?

 

[AZlawyer]

Does anyone else think these look like the puffy sticker that was found at the crime scene? It's hard to tell from this image, but these stickers are puffy ones.

If anyone is scouring photos of the A's house for incriminating stickers, anything that appears on the sheet of stickers pictured in the above post would be of interest.

ETA:

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED: " ... Well, the sticker backing that was sitting on (not stuck to) the envelope inWhy save a sticker backing unless (a) the sticker itself was placed on something of huge emotional importance and (b) the sticker itself, despite its importance, is no longer in the possession of the person who is saving the backing?

Some people still use sticker backings, especially ones with non-straight/different/neat outer edges, such as the one recovered from the Anthony home, which almost appears to have been cut out/manufactured with "pinking shears" edge effect, to decorate with: you can write in the center part, OR use it to "frame" someone in a photo in a scrapbook by placing it over their face, body, etc.

 

[AZlawyer]

Some people still use sticker backings, especially ones with non-straight/different/neat outer edges, such as the one recovered from the Anthony home, which almost appears to have been cut out/manufactured with "pinking shears" edge effect, to decorate with: you can write in the center part, OR use it to "frame" someone in a photo in a scrapbook by placing it over their face, body, etc.

Good point. Trying to keep an open mind here.

We know it was cut out (not manufactured) to have the pretty edges, because LE photographed the sheet it came from and you can see the hole where it was cut out.

Now that you brought it up, there were a couple of other stickers cut out of that sheet rather than just removed from the backing--although they were all cut out with "normal" edges (nothing pretty).

 

[ecs5298]

What a coincidence that a small heart shaped sticker was found at the scene... stuck to something else. But we don't know how close to the remains the sticker was found, do we? We've also not been told the size of the residue on the tape. It could have been a tiny heart, for all we know.

Here's the description from YM's supplemental report.

 

[Hot Dogs]

That puffy heart sticker could have been sitting in those woods for years.

 

[Chezhire]

Good point. Trying to keep an open mind here.

We know it was cut out (not manufactured) to have the pretty edges, because LE photographed the sheet it came from and you can see the hole where it was cut out.

Now that you brought it up, there were a couple of other stickers cut out of that sheet rather than just removed from the backing--although they were all cut out with "normal" edges (nothing pretty).

Yep. I wouldn't be so quick as to say they weren't manufactured that way. I've seen quite a few sticker sheets where the manufacturer's cutting press was heavy enough that it did cut all the way through the adhesive backing and it made the stickers harder to get off of the page because the backing would come out right with them and then you'd have to pick the two apart.

 

[Rumpole]

Just catching up on the posts and wanted to throw this out there. I agree that the puffy sticker appears to be on a matting, possibly a scrapbook page and is a plastic/vinyl material that kept if from deteriorating.

The "second" sticker whose backing was found in the "special" box is probably what left the residue on the duct tape and it appears to be simply a paper type sticker. Having placed many a bowl etc in the dishwasher with these type stickers what happens is they deteriorate and simply fall apart when in water. And this is only after a one hour cycle! Four months in the elements and water and that sticker is long gone. I think the missing sticker will never be found...but do hope that the residue will tie it to the house.

Or maybe it just is stuck to the bottom of a investigators shoe!!

Glad to see you understand.
I blame myself for not always explaining things well enough.

The likely sticker from the backing piece that was saved in KC's room is a bit fancy/metalic, but probably not much more durable than a simple paper one.

 

[Chezhire]

Here's the description from YM's supplemental report.

Hey ecs5298 - could ya lend me a magnifying glass, too? heehee TIA!

 

[Chezhire]

SNIPPED: " ... The likely sticker from the backing piece that was saved in KC's room is a bit fancy/metalic, but probably not much more durable than a simple paper one.

FYI - Metallic looking stickers can also be made of paper.

 

[AZlawyer]

That puffy heart sticker could have been sitting in those woods for years.

I would think the gel material it is made out of would soften and disintegrate after a while. Not like a paper sticker, but still...I don't think it could have been there for years.

But of course it could be unrelated to the case anyway.

 

[Rumpole]

JB was on GR last night and said (I'm paraphrasing) There was no heart shaped residue on the duct tape. No evidence has been released that there was. The heart shaped sticker was found a long way from body in a school yard dump ground. I don't believe any of his spin, but can anyone refer me to evidence refuting this?

In the previous document dump in application for a warrant (p3168):

"FBI lab in Quantico... noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart....consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker"