Heart Shaped Sticker And Duct Tape #3

[natsound]

LE described the residue as being similar in size to the sticker recovered at the site where Caylee's body was discovered.
See p3168: "...investigators located (at remains site) a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape"

Oh yeah! I'm getting confused on what we know and what we don't!

 

[bailee]

It's what LE isn't saying !

 

[Macushla]

Scenario 1: KC the Innocent is doing some fun scrapbooking, and decides to cut out the backing of a sticker so she can later use the "frame" part over Caylee's face in a pretty scrapbook page. She looks around...where oh where to keep this little sticker backing for later use? Oh, I know, I will put it in a shoebox in my closet hidden away with old Caylee stuff. :waitasec:

Scenario 2: KC the murderous b---- (or negligent but mostly loving mom) uses a heart sticker over the duct tape on her dead or soon-to-be-dead child's mouth for whatever reason (see earlier posts for lots of opinions). But she can't just toss the backer (if already cut out) or leave it there on the page, because it is SPECIAL and she does not want to forget (because she is evil or remorseful or grieving). So she cuts it out all pretty and then looks around...where oh where to keep this little sticker backing so whenever I want to think of Caylee I will remember? Oh, I know, I will put it in a shoebox in my closet hidden away with old Caylee stuff. :clap:

I will add another one - Scenario 3: KC is working on a scrapbook for Caylee. She is using items from the keepsake box in the scrapbook. She gets a call to go out and have fun, and starts putting things away. The sticker backing was lying on the upside down lid of the keepsake box, where it had fallen when she peeled the heart off. KC grabs the lid of the box, slaps it on and puts the box away, thereby putting the sticker backing on the envelope without even realizing she did it.

 

[ecs5298]

I'm confused :waitasec: FBI states in report dated 12/22:

Q62 - Q64 Tape
"The Q62 - Q64 pieces of tape were examined for the presence of any stickers. No stickers or sticker fragments were observed on these items."

pg. 3798 (pg. 56 in this link)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles
3743-3801redacted.pdf

Now...Q62, 63, 64 appear to be sample taken from KC's car. If this is a typo and FBI meant Q162, 163, 164 these are "black plastic" found at remains site.


Could JB be using this to say that there was no residue found on the tape??

When you read the FBI reports you need to remember that they are very, very specific in the way that they answer.

"The Q62 - Q64 pieces of tape were examined for the presence of any stickers. No stickers or sticker fragments were observed on these items."

Notice they say nothing of adhesive residue. Just "no stickers or sticker fragments"

These are worded so very specifically for a reason. To infer anything other than what is written is pure speculation.

 

[elissabee]

Have you got a ruler or measuring tape?

The diameter of a penny is 1.9 cm. Or. .70 inches.

The picture again of cell phone stickers. Keep in mind, this type of sticker comes in many sizes.

 

[AZlawyer]

LE don't make up deceptive montages of unrelated pieces of evidence. They really don't!

I believe that LE specified a type of paper they used for background in many of the photos--I can't remember what they called it, but it was the same for each of the photos where a background was needed.

No way would they use a disintegrated piece of cardboard.

 

[Doodlelover]

Ive been thinking that the reddish pink puffy heart stuck on the cardboard is NOT the sticker that was originally on the duct tape. It looks like it is stuck on that cardboard where it has been for a long time.

I DO think the sticker backing found in the box in Casey's room is probably important and that is why it has been photographed. It could be the backing from the sticker that was on the duct tape.

I think the sticker that was on the duct tape is not in the doc dumps. I think it would be held back since it will prove to be an important piece of evidence. I also think that it may be part of the ongoing investigation and has been sent for specialized tests for prints, not just latent prints.

I am hoping that Casey's obsession with putting hearts on everything will be a huge finger pointing to her guilt.

 

[ecs5298]

The wider point is the bubble sticker evidence is on card board. Not likely to have fallen off duct tape, then reglued and the moved a large distance to the outer edges of the search?

Not trying to be argumentative but how do you figure? The remains were under water for nearly 3 months. Her bones didn't even stay in the bag what makes you think that a small plastic heart sticker would have. If that sticker is stuck to that matte board it's more than likely from the muck that stuff has been sitting in for the last six months.

 

[christee]

elissabee,

I think the puffy sticker is made by "Sandylion" brand scrapbooking stickers. It was found on "Discount Art Supplies" website.

 

[Theonly1]

These gel stickers come in all different sizes. My point is that the sticker found at the scene appears to be of this type, not the flat paper stickers that were photographed in the A's home. But, see the attached alternate photo of the pic I posted before. There is a penny shown for size comparison.

Elissabee, I think someone found an exact match to the one found at the scene. I'll find the post and bump it up.

 

[Theonly1]

I really think marellano has found the exact puffy sticker--Stickopotamus brand. I put the one found at the scene and the one marellano found next to each other for comparison:

Keep in mind the one at the scene was probably under water and exposed to the elements for months.

bump....

 

[Rumpole]

The diameter of a penny is 1.9 cm. Or. .70 inches.

The picture again of cell phone stickers. Keep in mind, this type of sticker comes in many sizes.

Thanks. I really did have no idea of size.

If the penny is 0.7" that is smaller than the heart (0.75")

NOTHING on the page comes close to half size. I am assuming that cell phone decorations would not be any larger than the ones shown?

The fact that the Bubble sticker is on cardboard matting that looks possibly like scrap booking mat does at least hint at a scrap booking type heart?

 

[elissabee]

bump....

That certainly does appear to be the same sticker, doesn't it? Okay, no argument there. So I take it the current theory is that the heart sticker found in the woods is not the sticker that was previously stuck to duct tape?

 

[Rumpole]

Ive been thinking that the reddish pink puffy heart stuck on the cardboard is NOT the sticker that was originally on the duct tape. It looks like it is stuck on that cardboard where it has been for a long time.

I DO think the sticker backing found in the box in Casey's room is probably important and that is why it has been photographed. It could be the backing from the sticker that was on the duct tape.

I think the sticker that was on the duct tape is not in the doc dumps. I think it would be held back since it will prove to be an important piece of evidence. I also think that it may be part of the ongoing investigation and has been sent for specialized tests for prints, not just latent prints.

I am hoping that Casey's obsession with putting hearts on everything will be a huge finger pointing to her guilt.

So, LE is holding back vital evidence so that when the case comes to trial, that evidence will be inadmissable due to Failure to disclose in court ordered discovery?

It's quite a complicated game of mental chess they are playing then?

 

[Rumpole]

Not trying to be argumentative but how do you figure? The remains were under water for nearly 3 months. Her bones didn't even stay in the bag what makes you think that a small plastic heart sticker would have. If that sticker is stuck to that matte board it's more than likely from the muck that stuff has been sitting in for the last six months.

OK anything is possible.
Why bother with WS then?

 

[Rumpole]

That certainly does appear to be the same sticker, doesn't it? Okay, no argument there. So I take it the current theory is that the heart sticker found in the woods is not the sticker that was previously stuck to duct tape?

I think that is an inspired summary!

 

[AZlawyer]

So, LE is holding back vital evidence so that when the case comes to trial, that evidence will be inadmissable due to Failure to disclose in court ordered discovery?

It's quite a complicated game of mental chess they are playing then?

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[elissabee]

Thanks. I really did have no idea of size.

If the penny is 0.7" that is smaller than the heart (0.75")

NOTHING on the page comes close to half size. I am assuming that cell phone decorations would not be any larger than the ones shown?

The fact that the Bubble sticker is on cardboard matting that looks possibly like scrap booking mat does at least hint at a scrap booking type heart?

To be honest, Poirot, it never occurred to me that there may have been a scrapbooking sheet laying in the woods. Of course it's possible. These cell phone stickers come in all different sizes, including 3/4" hearts. I was just showing one example of this type of sticker, not suggesting that I'd found an exact match. If KC stuck a sticker on the duct tape, this type of sticker may have been handy because it was on her person, stuck to her cell phone. This theory has me thinking more about the missing Blackjack phone and whether stickers might have been stuck to it.

Really I was responding to the notion that the sticker found in the woods was a paper sticker similar to those photographed in the Anthony home. To me it is obvious that this is a completely different type of sticker from the one we've seen stuck to the envelope. I don't believe the stickers and sticker backing we've seen in those photos are necessarily relevant to the case. I think the investigators were instructed by LE to photograph anything and everything resembling a heart sticker in that house.

 

[butwhatif?]

I am really surprised more WSers aren't talking about the possibility that the duct tape sticker may not be a scrapbooking sticker at all, but a cell phone sticker. The sticker on that duct tape looks like a "gel" sticker, made of plastic, with super sticky adhesive for embellishing cell phones, like these.

Or, if you prefer, like these stickers on Amy H's phone.

The pink gel sticker does look similar to the cell phone stickers, but it was found on a piece of cardboard- not duct tape. I had thought it was degraded duct tape too till I read the description and took a closer look.

Hercule- I have decided that I want the red sticker to have been found at the scene and not yet included in discovery because then we have something closer to conclusive....but when I consider what is most likely, it would be that the red sticker was destroyed in the water.
The other possibility is that since its shiny, and certain species of birds like to collect shiny things for their nests, it could have been removed from the scene by a bird.

There was a notation in the docs re: no bird nests visible in trees, but it could have been transported to another local wooded area.

Right! We need search warrants for every birds nest in the area... LOL. I can see the headlines now..."tot mom killer has feathered friend accomplice".:chicken:

 

[Rumpole]

To be honest, Poirot, it never occurred to me that there may have been a scrapbooking sheet laying in the woods. Of course it's possible. These cell phone stickers come in all different sizes, including 3/4" hearts. I was just showing one example of this type of sticker, not suggesting that I'd found an exact match. If KC stuck a sticker on the duct tape, this type of sticker may have been handy because it was on her person, stuck to her cell phone. This theory has me thinking more about the missing Blackjack phone and whether stickers might have been stuck to it.

Really I was responding to the notion that the sticker found in the woods was a paper sticker similar to those photographed in the Anthony home. To me it is obvious that this is a completely different type of sticker from the one we've seen stuck to the envelope. I don't believe the stickers and sticker backing we've seen in those photos are necessarily relevant to the case. I think the investigators were instructed by LE to photograph anything and everything resembling a heart sticker in that house.

You surprise me. A 3/4" sticker would take up a large chunk of the cell phone I am looking at.

Can you find a picture of these giant cell phone stickers?

Why do people put such huge decorations on their cell phones?