Heart-Shaped Sticker On Tape Over Caylee's Mouth

[Ames]

Because she put duct tape on a two year old babe's mouth. Who does that? Is this common practice? Am I the one who's nuts? This deed alone shows someone who was dominating a weaker vessel. Caylee was a little girl, a beautiful little girl. Who and why would someone think it was o.k. to duct tape her mouth shut? Nothing to me even matters after that. Caylee will have a voice. No child should be treated like that even when they live to tell about it.

My flood gates just opened.

Reddened by me...

Well, if you are nuts, then so am I. Where I come from, its NOT common practice to duct tape your child's mouth. Only a monster would do such a thing.

 

[Mendara]

Same here Mendara - except Scott P maybe!

As for the blanket....I don't think it's a big deal and IMO it certainly doesn't help the defense. I believe it's what she had available to her at the time (that Winnie the Pooh pattern is available at Target). Afterall, that's what Caylee's room was decorated in, as others have stated.

It's possible that Casey left Caylee after the fight on the 15th (like LP has stated) and that she just grabbed a bag and threw some pull-ups, a few clothes, etc in the backpack and grabbed a blanket to take in the car with her for Caylee. It was what happened after she left the house that I don't want to think about.

LP said on NG one night that there was a hotel worker that saw someone in a white sunfire that fit Casey's description yapping on her cell phone that night, but he didn't see a child in the car. :waitasec:

The blanket was just that a blanket Caylee had that was just buried with her along with her back pack and toys. What matters iss the tape over the mouth and the sticker. You put tape over the mouth of someone who is making noise or will scream before or while being hurt. It is clear Caylee was alive when the taped was placed over her mouth - she was then killed and the sticker was maybe some sick way of Casey putting a bow on it - making herself feel better about what she had done.

 

[SnowAngels]

That is so sick. (not you, the idea/line of though). Who actually rewards their child for getting stickers with STICKERS on the DUCT TAPE??

Maybe every time the tape was put on, there was a heart or other sticker added. Caylee always got a sticker on the tape when her mouth was taped.
Maybe that's why there was (apparently) frequently red rashy-like marks around her mouth. Maybe that baby knew to expect the tape and the sticker.

 

[Bev]

You know, evidence wise, this tells us quite a bit about when the duct tape was put on the mouth. If there is a perfect impression of residue on the tape, that would indicate that the duct tape was put on after death. Victims who are found with duct tape on their mouths, if alive when it was applied, tend to chew at it, push it with their tongues and try to move their lips in order to get it off or move it so they can breathe properly. If the tape has those impressions etc, then it might indicate that the tape was put on ante-mortem.

She may have put the child in the laundry bag, found it leaking the next day and then put in a plastic garbage bag.

p.s. I mean the perfect residue shape of a heart. If she had struggled ante mortem with the tape with the sticker on it, the sticker would have come off or shifted on the outside of the tape.

 

[Chezhire]

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Because she put duct tape on a two year old babe's mouth. Who does that? Is this common practice? Am I the one who's nuts? This deed alone shows someone who was dominating a weaker vessel. Caylee was a little girl, a beautiful little girl. Who and why would someone think it was o.k. to duct tape her mouth shut? Nothing to me even matters after that. Caylee will have a voice. No child should be treated like that even when they live to tell about it.

My flood gates just opened.

Woe.be.gone, I, for one, am reading, listening and agreeing with you. :gavel: :gavel: :gavel:

 

[Chezhire]

You know, evidence wise, this tells us quite a bit about when the duct tape was put on the mouth. If there is a perfect impression of residue on the tape, that would indicate that the duct tape was put on after death. Victims who are found with duct tape on their mouths, if alive when it was applied, tend to chew at it, push it with their tongues and try to move their lips in order to get it off or move it so they can breathe properly. If the tape has those impressions etc, then it might indicate that the tape was put on ante-mortem.

She may have put the child in the laundry bag, found it leaking the next day and then put in a plastic garbage bag.

Not if she chloroformed Caylee ahead of putting the tape over/on that sweet baby's mouth/head. (Plus, the sticker residue would have likely been on the outside of the duct tape - and I am speculating on this part of things.)

 

[Whisperer]

Absolutely not. Cause of death, mechanism of death and circumstances of death are all unknown. To conclude the tape was connected to her death would require speculation, which jurors are not permitted to do.

HTH

Didn't Dr. G concludes....cause of death = homicide? Cause of death is concluded.

We don't know how Caylee died..there is no confession and nothing left of tissue to determine.

Tape connected to death?....what else can one think of that is reasonable? You find a dead body with duct tape on it, one reasonable person would have to conclude there is a connection to a death. If you are making an argument for placement post-mortem, doesn't matter...it is still connected to a death. I don't understand where you get speculation. Duct tape is a fact not speculation.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Reddened by me...

Well, if you are nuts, then so am I. Where I come from, its NOT common practice to duct tape your child's mouth. Only a monster would do such a thing.

Thank God for you Ames. This conversation is beyond me. The duct tape alone speaks volumes.

 

[Whisperer]

You know, evidence wise, this tells us quite a bit about when the duct tape was put on the mouth. If there is a perfect impression of residue on the tape, that would indicate that the duct tape was put on after death. Victims who are found with duct tape on their mouths, if alive when it was applied, tend to chew at it, push it with their tongues and try to move their lips in order to get it off or move it so they can breathe properly. If the tape has those impressions etc, then it might indicate that the tape was put on ante-mortem.

She may have put the child in the laundry bag, found it leaking the next day and then put in a plastic garbage bag.

p.s. I mean the perfect residue shape of a heart. If she had struggled ante mortem with the tape with the sticker on it, the sticker would have come off or shifted on the outside of the tape.

In my mind, it doesn't matter when it was placed. What matters is who placed it there. We all know who that is.

 

[Mendara]

In my mind, it doesn't matter when it was placed. What matters is who placed it there. We all know who that is.

yes. what an evil person.

 

[CentralFLMama]

Didn't Dr. G concludes....cause of death = homicide? Cause of death is concluded.

No, The manner of death is homicide. The cause (strangulation, suffocation, whatever) is unknown.

 

[Bev]

Even chloroformed, the sticky side of tape will show movement of the mouth and lips. Chloroform doesn't paralyze a body, their is still movement of the body. It could well be that she drugged the baby and the baby died from an overdose of something and then she staged it to look like a kidnapping.

Otherwise that heart verges on psychotic and I don't think she had a psychotic episode - this may the tactic the defense takes if they're desperate - she killed the baby during a psychotic episode and she doesn't deserve the death penalty or life without parole. Frankly, as desperate as it is, this may be her only hope of any kind of parole.

 

[Wudge]

You know, evidence wise, this tells us quite a bit about when the duct tape was put on the mouth. If there is a perfect impression of residue on the tape, that would indicate that the duct tape was put on after death. Victims who are found with duct tape on their mouths, if alive when it was applied, tend to chew at it, push it with their tongues and try to move their lips in order to get it off or move it so they can breathe properly. If the tape has those impressions etc, then it might indicate that the tape was put on ante-mortem.

She may have put the child in the laundry bag, found it leaking the next day and then put in a plastic garbage bag.

p.s. I mean the perfect residue shape of a heart. If she had struggled ante mortem with the tape with the sticker on it, the sticker would have come off or shifted on the outside of the tape.

(analyses by Sherlock)

 

[SnowAngels]

Sorry, I just don't see how you are coming to this conclusion. Are you saying then, that the discovery of the winnie the pooh blanket and stickers is a neutral discovery, and will neither work for the defense or prosecution? I would conclude that this discovery spells S-C-R-E-W-E-D for the defense.

The point has been and remains that no matter what storyline the defense goes with, prosecutors cannot turn hearts and Winnie the Pooh into evidence that supports malice aforethought. In other words, hearts and Winnie the Pooh represents evidence that works against their claim of a premeditated murder.

 

[Bev]

No, I'm sorry, I meant the residue of the heart sticker was a perfect impression. That indicates to me that the baby was dead when the sticker was applied. The duct tape, we'll have to wait and see. I'm just mentioning some possibilities.

 

[suzet]

About the heart sticker. I know LE went back to the house looking for a sheet the sticker could have come from (including taking photo albums that may have had stickers on them, especially for Valentines Day stickers).

My question: Did KC go to tanning salons? I ask because tanning salons sometimes give their customers single heart stickers to place on their skin to see how well they are tanning. People with kids would automatically grab more stickers for their kids to play with. Could KC have had a little stack of these stickers from a local tanning salon?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

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Woe.be.gone, I, for one, am reading, listening and agreeing with you. :gavel: :gavel: :gavel:

:blowkiss: I don't get the chat about the heart. Doesn't the fact of the duct tape alone confirm malice? (a poster said this earlier too). The intent to kill comes after, but this deed sure shows utter disregard for Caylee no matter what.

 

[Wudge]

Didn't Dr. G concludes....cause of death = homicide? Cause of death is concluded.

We don't know how Caylee died..there is no confession and nothing left of tissue to determine.

Tape connected to death?....what else can one think of that is reasonable? You find a dead body with duct tape on it, one reasonable person would have to conclude there is a connection to a death. If you are making an argument for placement post-mortem, doesn't matter...it is still connected to a death. I don't understand where you get speculation. Duct tape is a fact not speculation.

Correct. The M.E. concluded homicide, not murder.

 

[SnowAngels]

Can you explain to us in more details how they are "working strongly" against the prosecution's case? All I'm seeing is this repeated statement from you.

It's simple. Proving malice aforethought is central to proving murder two. Yet prosecutors claim premeditation as well. So they have four elements to prove; i.e., intent (wilful), planning, deliberation and malice aforethought.

However, from the evidence we know of, they cannot prove any of these elements. And now we are given hearts and Winnie the Pooh, which certainly does not support the most basic element, i.e., malice aforethought.

Not only do hearts and Winnie the Pooh not support it, they work strongly against it. And that's at a lower murder two level.

Net, this evidence is extremely favorable to the defense, not the State.

 

[radio]

Sorry, I just don't see how you are coming to this conclusion. Are you saying then, that the discovery of the winnie the pooh blanket and stickers is a neutral discovery, and will neither work for the defense or prosecution? I would conclude that this discovery spells S-C-R-E-W-E-D for the defense.

It is no surprise Caylee was found with items that belonged to her. That isn't shocking.