Heart-Shaped Sticker On Tape Over Caylee's Mouth

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  • #621
How can I guess KC when there isn't any proof yet that points to her exclusively? I'm still waiting to hear what's going to be presented at trial that shows it could only be her, exclusively. Regarding there being no evidence linking the death to anybody else--how would there be, who else was investigated? (Beyond an interview or asking for a couple people's phone records or computers? And a walk through of TL's apartment and investigation of his car, but without cadaver dog.) Speaking of which, I need to find the thread about the leaves on the hat, there must be one.

So where would you start? An overwhelming amount of evidence all points to KC. There isn't even another Person of Interest. Those that were pointed at, like JG were ruled out and took a polygraph anyway. Surely you cannot expect LE to spend years and investigate everyone and anyone associated with the case exhaustively when there is nothing to point them in that direction and they have the perp in jail indicted by testimony presented in a GJ? It wasn't LE but a GJ that indicted KC. There must be something to that, that we don't know about yet. Beyond a reasonable doubt that it is KC and only KC.
 
  • #622
I think there was some prior suggestion of drugging. However, as much as I wanted to believe that Caylee's demise was an accidental overdose in the commission of having her sleep, I cannot believe that anymore. I see Caylee's death as being an act of anger and spite. I see the tape as the means to silence her forever or a symbol that she was silenced. To me, the heart sticker was maybe a bizarre loving gesture of farewell, you are forever silenced.

If it was accidental then KC would have been in a state for some time as she rationalized and dealt with this going too far. To me, based on what I know, I see KC recovering in a blink of an eye and moving on. She was ready for this act, had fantasized about it and, in a moment of anger had achieved it. She was sorta/kinda relieved and moved on.

Swaying your way too. I think this is the direction. Of course, it has been hashed out here already, but this is the direction I feel. Should just say "me too". Thanks.
 
  • #623
I really don't think so. I think it would be more like

Okay Caylee, mommy has a big date, so into the bag you go. You know I have to place tape over your mouth so you don't make any noise. Breath deep now honey and mommy will leave a pretty sticker for you for being such a big girl.

Wow....that was sick and twisted. Sadly, I can see this happening...if it was an accidental (cough cough) overdose of chloro, which I doubt very seriously.

Even if the above....using the chloroform, knowing that it is a dangerous and deadly substance, on a young child is not an accident. Placing a living, breathing child in a laundry bag and duct taping their mouth shut and having that child die, is child abuse and murder, even if you didn't plan for it to happen.

The defense better hope that there are no finger prints, hairs, DNA, etc, in the bag, at the scene, on the body, wrapped in the tape, that can place KC there because sticking with the invisi-nanny story, even if it can all be proven a lie, looks better for them than trying to go with the accidental death scenario with what the prosecution has at this point.

I personally feel there almost has to be fingerprints on the duct tape. It would be next to impossible to put it on anything with any type of glove on.
 
  • #624
For one, we do know that she is the last one to see her daughter by her own statements, she was also the one who failed to report her daughter missing because she was "going through other resources to try to find her"
Casey's own statements lead detectives in the right direction.

mydailyopinions, IF KC wasn't the last one to see her daughter alive, then it all points back to CA right? :wink:
 
  • #625
It sure looks that way, Agave. I can't wait to read everything to see what these people were really up to all this time and how much they did try to thwart this investigation.

Even if the top was white and isn't the one in the video...it still isn't what George said she was wearing that day. There are other discrepancies coming to light now, too.

i can be wrong, as i've been a zillion times before: but i believe Caylee was wearing a light blue shirt visiting her GGD.

I'm just blown away by the horrifying things that have been coming out.
ya know ss, i so wish that night i wanted ym called that it was true that Caylee was alive. i really really hoped and prayed. i guess i quickly saw the reality of what was going on. :(

all this is just horror after horror. :(
 
  • #626
Most of you guys know I adopted my then 4 year old grandson and he's 8 now. My daughter comes around maybe once every two weeks and plays with him for about 30 min and she figures she has done her job. Well, Dylan has a lot of stickers that he likes to stick everywhere and I always end up with one or two on me, and he always puts a heart sticker over my heart if he has any. My daughter came over and he showed her my heart and told her he had gave me his heart and he laughed. I could tell she didn't like it one bit. She doesn't want him but yet she doesn't want him to love me more than he loves her. So I can honestly see Casey putting the heart sticker on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth with the thought...ok here mom, you wanted her heart...you got it! I really do not believe it was stuck there out of a guilt or for love. Someone needs to find a heart to stick on Casey because she sure doesn't have one.
 
  • #627
I personally feel there almost has to be fingerprints on the duct tape. It would be next to impossible to put it on anything with any type of glove on.


Bingo! We have not seen anything about the "sticky" side of that tape. The fact that it had to be cut out of the hair also allows for the "ends" of the tape to not be disturbed - that is where the fingerprints will be - the ends - unless it was cut by something, but then that will be found as well.

We have many more reports - actual evaluations, findings, etc - that were not released with this dump. Most of this dump is evidence paperwork back and forth from OCSO to the FBI and vice versa. Although it introduced quite a bit of new information - we are still missing the "evaluation or findings" on a lot of that evidence.

That above, plus the forensic artists recreation of Caylee's little head complete with duct tape and sticker will be quite shocking and very damning evidence pointing at KC - and very conclusive if her fingerprints are there!!!
 
  • #628
I see an overwhelming amount of evidence indicating KC?

A lot circumstantial, but that is not unusual. You need to view the gestalt. The body of evidence as a whole.

Do you want LE to pick a few alternatives at random and examine the heck out of them just for the sake of some sort of twisted balance?

I take it you are a defence attorney or at least that way inclined?

Please don't bash people who have a different view than you and are waiting for the trial to see the totality of the evidence. You may like to go on a gestalt you derive from what's been released so far, that's certainly your business, but no, I don't have to view the same "gestalt". I'm waiting for the trial before I form any conclusions. Some sort of twisted balance? Ordinarily when a child goes missing, everyone who was in contact with the child is closely investigated, the associates of the mother are always closely investigated. That's very routine. It's not sick or twisted. What a curious thing to say.

No I am not a defense attorney or that way inclined. Hints of defense bashing there, too.

I sure hope the truth will be discovered so justice can be done for Caylee.
 
  • #629
mydailyopinions, IF KC wasn't the last one to see her daughter alive, then it all points back to CA right? :wink:

No, not in my opinion because the last person who said they saw Caylee, other than Casey was George. So if it weren't Casey, then by George's statements it was him.
 
  • #630
Most of you guys know I adopted my then 4 year old grandson and he's 8 now. My daughter comes around maybe once every two weeks and plays with him for about 30 min and she figures she has done her job. Well, Dylan has a lot of stickers that he likes to stick everywhere and I always end up with one or two on me, and he always puts a heart sticker over my heart if he has any. My daughter came over and he showed her my heart and told her he had gave me his heart and he laughed. I could tell she didn't like it one bit. She doesn't want him but yet she doesn't want him to love me more than he loves her. So I can honestly see Casey putting the heart sticker on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth with the thought...ok here mom, you wanted her heart...you got it! I really do not believe it was stuck there out of a guilt or for love. Someone needs to find a heart to stick on Casey because she sure doesn't have one.

Brilliant Angelfire, and thanks for the post. xox
 
  • #631
For one, we do know that she is the last one to see her daughter by her own statements, she was also the one who failed to report her daughter missing because she was "going through other resources to try to find her"
Casey's own statements lead detectives in the right direction.

IMO, her statements to police are 90% of the case. If I were a juror I'd only need a little forensics to seal the deal for murder. :cow:

To respond to your question: Chloroform can form in different ways, and one of the experts already showed that some car trunks do test positive for chloroform.
It hasn't been proved yet that Casey is the only one who had access to the Pontiac trunk (basically anyone who could take her keys from her purse at any time, for example, while she's working at Fusian, while she's sleeping, while she's partying, while she's on the computer, anytime, could access her trunk, or maybe she left the car unlocked anyway for all I know). Nor has it been shown yet that she was the only one with access to the computer. One of her friends had a joke about using chloroform on women on his Facebook before KC did her computer search on chloroform, so it's very possible she searched on chloroform because of seeing that. Also, another of her friends got on websleuths here and talked about chloroform being used on military detainees when he was serving overseas. She hung around with this person a lot and could have heard those stories. Regarding decomp, the chemical air test did not say it was definitely of human origin. The cadaver dog hits would be more conclusive if the dogs had picked KC's car out blindly from among a group of cars, for example, a blind test with KC's car and also other players' cars...of course the dog hits would mean a lot more if they had found the body when Suburban was searched with the dogs (though it may mean that the body wasn't actually there yet.) So, so far, it's not conclusive, but of course they may present a lot more conclusive stuff at trial. The fact that she either couldn't or wouldn't provide logical information to the police, and never seemed to understand the seriousness and urgency of Caylee being missing, that's the most bizarre thing to me. It's possible she thought Caylee was with someone safe at that time and wouldn't be hurt, or else she just didn't understand the situation. But it's very incriminating of course. In my opinion

Maybe my memory stinks but I don't recall her ever working at Fusian. :waitasec:
 
  • #632
No, not in my opinion because the last person who said they saw Caylee, other than Casey was George. So if it weren't Casey, then by George's statements it was him.
I've put some thought into this as well. And ACTUALLY the LAST DOCUMENTED person we know to have been with Caylee alive was CA - at the nursing home via the video. Casey "admits" to dropping her off and George "claims" he saw both of them leave the next day but VIDEO DOCUMENTATION shows that CA was the last person to have been with Caylee. (Please don't throw things at me - think about it for a minute)
 
  • #633
Please don't bash people who have a different view than you and are waiting for the trial to see the totality of the evidence. You may like to go on a gestalt you derive from what's been released so far, that's certainly your business, but no, I don't have to view the same "gestalt". I'm waiting for the trial before I form any conclusions. Some sort of twisted balance? Ordinarily when a child goes missing, everyone who was in contact with the child is closely investigated, the associates of the mother are always closely investigated. That's very routine. It's not sick or twisted. What a curious thing to say.

No I am not a defense attorney or that way inclined. Hints of defense bashing there, too.

I sure hope the truth will be discovered so justice can be done for Caylee.
They investigated countless other people. There simply was not a shred of evidence that panned out. I use the term twisted in reference to the logic that suggests you need to pursue investigation of other suspects when there is a prime suspect at hand.
I too would way up all the evidence if serving on a jury, but I'm not! I am bloviating on WS like everybody else. That is quite legitimate.
 
  • #634
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I've put some thought into this as well. And ACTUALLY the LAST DOCUMENTED person we know to have been with Caylee alive was CA - at the nursing home via the video. Casey "admits" to dropping her off and George "claims" he saw both of them leave the next day but VIDEO DOCUMENTATION shows that CA was the last person to have been with Caylee. (Please don't throw things at me - think about it for a minute)
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
  • #635
I don't see drugging as being proven at all. And even if evidence comes to light, the tape is superfluous. If she had done it before I think there would have been damage to the cheeks etc and a hell of a job to get it off, untangle the hair etc.
I don't think she used duct tape on her previously. I suggested she did it this time while she was alive. Meaning she didn't put the duct tape on this baby after she murdered her as some have suggested. I think the heart sticker was in case some how she the body was discovered it would make her look better (at least in her sick mind anyway). The whole A family brings out the worst in many of us.
 
  • #636
I agree with you. It her twisted mind she was putting her to rest with her toys, Blanket and sealed her with a heart. Brings me back to her poem on myspace : "On the Worst of Worst days, trust no one but yourself...Everyone LIES, Everyone DIES"

I think Casey killed her and then mentally checked out and excused herself as making it natural for her to die. I think casey's best bet is to plead guilty today.

No one has mentioned the stainless steel knife yet that was found in the bag. I pray Casey did not stab that precious little Caylee and kill her that way. I don't think any of us were prepared for the latest info that came out today. I didn't think it could possibly hurt any worse than it already did, but I was wrong.
 
  • #637
I'm just blown away by the horrifying things that have been coming out.
ya know ss, i so wish that night i wanted ym called that it was true that Caylee was alive. i really really hoped and prayed. i guess i quickly saw the reality of what was going on. :(

all this is just horror after horror. :(
Sadly, you are right. It is horror after horror. :( (Still...glad ya didn't call YM even if I have now forgotten why you were going to?!)

You were also right about her shirt being light blue on the video.
 
  • #638
I've put some thought into this as well. And ACTUALLY the LAST DOCUMENTED person we know to have been with Caylee alive was CA - at the nursing home via the video. Casey "admits" to dropping her off and George "claims" he saw both of them leave the next day but VIDEO DOCUMENTATION shows that CA was the last person to have been with Caylee. (Please don't throw things at me - think about it for a minute)

I won't throw things! :crazy: I completely agree.. she was the last documented person to be with her, however so was the great grandfather.. just saying...
I just personally do not think that the parents had anything to do with the murder. I do think they did things afterwards that are questionable, including George's statement of the 16th. I think that Casey took a "napping" Caylee out the door, and George either never moved from where he was sitting to say goodbye, or he ignored them leaving.
 
  • #639
No, not in my opinion because the last person who said they saw Caylee, other than Casey was George. So if it weren't Casey, then by George's statements it was him.

Sorry about that mydailyopinions....I was thinking of Caylee being with CA at the nursing home on Father's day. My bad. :(
 
  • #640
Maybe my memory stinks but I don't recall her ever working at Fusian. :waitasec:

She managed the "shot girls" and various aspects of the promotions for TL. Unpaid work. Just like the cooking and cleaning.
 
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