GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[Napili]

I don't think I ever said that, but if I did I had a brain wire crossed. From what I have seen, she was always reported by her family to have left her sister's in Haiku at about 8. They estimated maybe 8:30 she could have arrived at SC's, or took that from what he said in his interview.

In this latest article, the officer says Kim told him she did not know where SC lived at the time. The police pulled his records to find his address. It is possible the family added a buffer time of 30 minutes to arrive at 8:30 as a time Charli would have gotten to SC's, as a reasonable time when you don't know for sure just where the place is, but know it's somewhere around Haiku. Or they went with the time SC volunteered.

I have a feeling that SC learned when he talked to the family on Tuesday exactly when they had last seen her. Because isn't the first thing you say that you are worried about your sister because you haven't seen her since thus and such a time? That would allow him to start making a timeline that worked with their info, but he did not talk to them until after he gave this interview to the officer.

If I'm not mistaken, one or both sisters visited him at work Monday morning. What did he say to them then?

Somehow, we must find out whether that 5pm quote from the officer who testified on Thursday is an accurate report.

Also, for reasons mentioned in earlier posts, I am almost certain that the numerous FB shares on his page that day were done by someone else. He actually might have been with her that afternoon. AND that evening.

 

[Loio]

If I'm not mistaken, one or both sisters visited him at work Monday morning. What did he say to them then?
Somehow, we must find out whether that 5pm quote from the officer who testified on Thursday is reported accurately.

"4. Charli did not tell anyone in her family that she was going to Meet SC on 2/9. We simply knew that if something was wrong, it would have to do with SC, and that is why he was approached at his job at 8 am on 2/11." - fromtheladle 4/1/14 websleuths

 

[Loio]

He could've done the facebook shares from his phone in the car, on the toilet, or even getting ready to ruin his and a whole bunch of other people's lives.

 

[Loio]

I find that going back to the first interviews done really helps pin down what people knew and thought at the time, before other information came along that may have muddied things.

Watch video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7HRuH8xg0

This MauiWatch interview with Kimberlyn is from Wed. the 12th before they go out searching that day. It is before the burned 4Runner was found and before SC gave HNN and interview. It is after the officer interviewed SC the prior morning, after Nala was found, after a search the day before where Steven went out to Keanae to "help" and show "where his truck broke down." This is the morning that Steven is in Wailuku talking to the police.

In the first seconds of the interview, she gives the timeline Steven gave them. Even though these times must be from his information, she wouldn't repeat them as solid unless they agreed with possible times from when the sisters last saw Charli. If they had said she left at 10 PM, then Kim wouldn't be buying into Charli picking up Steven at 8:30.
She says in the interview:
8:30 Charli picks Steven up
9:30 they get to Keanae to his truck
10:30 he last sees her lights at Ulalena.
But the family used the iPhone app to get the last ping near Honomanu Bay just before 11 PM.
Not in this interview but in others, Steven said his truck broke down near the 20 mm, which was not where her clothes and other evidence was found. So he did not point them to the exact right place.

I think the vid was done after the truck was found considering Fiona mentions in the interview the stuff they'd found so far was disturbing or something like that. Discounting the pics of the truck and black skirt in the grass shown in the news segment of course.

 

[puakenikeni]

This alone makes me feel, even more strongly, that he killed them out there. Not necessarily in Kaenae, but up there as opposed to Haiku. It explains as well why SC would cast suspicion on himself by saying he was in that area with Charli that night. He was scrambling.

Yes, I'm glad that made sense to you. Exactly, SC being forced to scramble after suddenly getting a piece of info he didn't expect would account for him making up a story on the spot or tweaking his planned story so that it puts him way too close to the crime scene.

 

[puakenikeni]

If I'm not mistaken, one or both sisters visited him at work Monday morning. What did he say to them then?

Somehow, we must find out whether that 5pm quote from the officer who testified on Thursday is an accurate report.

Also, for reasons mentioned in earlier posts, I am almost certain that the numerous FB shares on his page that day were done by someone else. He actually might have been with her that afternoon. AND that evening.

Actually they did not visit him until Tuesday, after he had spoken to the officer. I went through all the interviews with them that I could, taking notes.

TIMELINE I HAVE

SUN FEB 9th
Last seen by sisters around 8 PM leaving Brooke's home in Haiku. No mention is made of Steven. They think she is going home. We do not know for sure that she did not go home to Makawao, because we don't know what time Steven really first saw her. He says 8:30.
Last phone ping near Honomanu Bay just before 11 PM, obtained by sister PW using iPhone app.

MON THE 10TH
Monday mornings Charli was accustomed to drop her laundry off at her Mom's. When she didn't show, Mom got worried. On Monday, the family made calls, confirmed she did not go to work, found they had no texts or communications. Went to her house and found she and Nala were not there, but her other dog was and I think was out of food and/or water, which Charli would not allow to happen.
Monday night late, Kim Scott filed a missing person's report. She then told the police that Charli's ex was likely in the mix any time Charli did not communicate with family.

TUE the 11th
Tuesday around 6 AM, officer arrives at Steven's home and questions him for ten minutes. Steven goes to work.
Sisters come to his workplace and want information, possibly after police tell them he admits he saw Charli, but don't know for sure. SC agrees to go out to Keanae with them when he gets off work and show them the "repair" spot. Meanwhile family and other searchers are driving up and down the Hana Highway looking for signs of her going off the road into a gulch or something, thinking car accident.

At work on Tuesday, SC is contacted by police who want him to come to Wailuku station to answer questions. He says he cannot because he has promised to go out to Keanae, says he will go to Wailuku in the morning.

Steven goes out as agreed and shows family the spot near 20 mm after 3 PM. His story is not consistent, and Brooke feels he is not being straightforward. He is saying he last saw her lights at Ulalena. This must be when he went down that road and was "protective" of it.

Tuesday night late, Kim Scott learns that Nala was found the day before, Monday morning, unharmed. A day and a half elapsed between time Nala was found and time family learned of it.
Note: Tuesday evening was the first TV news broadcast calling for help finding Charli.

WED the 12th
Steven goes down to the station and is questioned and polygraphed.
Family continues to search, focus shifts to Nahiku because of Nala. Kim is interviewed in the field before search begins. She gives interviewers the timeline of Charli getting to SC's house at 8:30 and getting back to Haiku around 10:30.
About 6 PM, friends spot her torched car. They had checked Peahi area because near SC's house.

THURS the 13th
Search continues
SC gives Maleka Lincoln an interview by phone in the afternoon. Mentions he did some searching with family but they are getting hostile, so he is venturing out on his own. Gives version of story where lights disappear at Twin Falls not Ulalena. Gives time frame where they leave his house about 8:30.

At dusk, teenage sister PW and search party find clothes somewhere near Paraquat's, photographs the evidence before moving it, and PW takes it in to police station. Find includes her blouse, skirt, blanket, duct tape rolls empty, gloves, and the mysterious black jeans.

FRI the 14th
Police come out and search that same area, find shoes, jawbone, tooth or teeth, blood evidence, fingernails ... (and possibly more).

MARCH 4
Police reclassify case as homicide after forensics come back linking the bone to CS. Jawbone detail is not released until July when he is indicted, but police state it is a bone a person cannot live without.

 

[puakenikeni]

He could've done the facebook shares from his phone in the car, on the toilet, or even getting ready to ruin his and a whole bunch of other people's lives.

Yes, and like Napili said, he could have had someone else post for him. It is kind of weird though if the posts were made to try to alibi him at home from 3:00 to 4:15, because his story ended up being that he drove out to Hana after work (after 3) and had truck break down and had to leave it and hitchback home. He would not comment on the FB activity times when confronted with the "breakdown" timeline by "Peter Tosh" on the Study FB page. He only said he went out to Hana because he likes to drive out there, and it is not true that he went fishing.

This opens up another question about why a FB "alibi" would be put in place after work, if he had planned the murder, and if had planned this story about the truck. Add to that he is most likely seen on traffic cam driving his truck in Pai'a (IIRC Pai'a, not 100%, but definitely contradicts his story) during the time his truck is supposedly out at Keanae. Why was he driving his truck around that afternoon if he planned to be pinning his life on a story that it broke down?

 

[puakenikeni]

I think the vid was done after the truck was found considering Fiona mentions in the interview the stuff they'd found so far was disturbing or something like that. Discounting the pics of the truck and black skirt in the grass shown in the news segment of course.

Lolo, the vid in the quote you made was posted the 12th before the truck was found, so there is no way it was later. Plus she refers to some events in the interview as the day before yesterday that allow me to know this is on Wednesday.

The second video I linked is where PW is crying and saying the finds are upsetting. That video was done on Friday, the day after the clothes were found. The video mentions finding the clothes and shows an overhead shot of the stream, then cuts to a still shot of what I think is the black skirt lying in the weeds/tall grass.

 

[Mamamerced]

You are a true and methodical detective, Pua.

 

[Napili]

He could've done the facebook shares from his phone in the car, on the toilet, or even getting ready to ruin his and a whole bunch of other people's lives.

Yes of course he could have done any of those things. I don't want to go over again the reasons why I suggest that they were done by someone else, but, briefly, it has to do with the content and volume of the posts. Odd references and out of character Shares and partner posters on "ChunkO'butter's posts Feb 9 & 10. The best example of this is the shared poster expressing outrage at using $$ for 'Philly' prisons while their schools were closing. His Gf was there at the time, as we know. Unwittingly providing a cover while he preps? I don't know, but it does not add up.

 

[Napili]

"4. Charli did not tell anyone in her family that she was going to Meet SC on 2/9. We simply knew that if something was wrong, it would have to do with SC, and that is why he was approached at his job at 8 am on 2/11." - fromtheladle 4/1/14 websleuths

Ah...:facepalm:This is where I got that notion--residue from SC interview
( http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:X2vBWSm9 ):

Mileka: "Was the family excited about Charli being pregnant?"

Steven: "I believe so. I had never talked to them about it. I had never had any contact with her family since I stopped dating her, up until they wanted me to come help them -- Monday morning when the showed up."

Mileka: "Monday morning they showed up?"

Steven: "They showed up -- one of them showed up at work and told me what was going on and then called me later and I rushed out to show them exactly what had happened the night before and proceeded to help them look."

Thanks for clarifying the record y'all.

 

[Loio]

Lolo, the vid in the quote you made was posted the 12th before the truck was found, so there is no way it was later. Plus she refers to some events in the interview as the day before yesterday that allow me to know this is on Wednesday.

The second video I linked is where PW is crying and saying the finds are upsetting. That video was done on Friday, the day after the clothes were found. The video mentions finding the clothes and shows an overhead shot of the stream, then cuts to a still shot of what I think is the black skirt lying in the weeds/tall grass.

Hmm. Ok could be. Only one link showed up for me which was the one which has the pic of the skirt. I'm going to blame my mistake on the Tapatalk app.

 

[Loio]

Ah...:facepalm:This is where I got that notion--residue from SC interview
( http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:X2vBWSm9 ):

Mileka: "Was the family excited about Charli being pregnant?"

Steven: "I believe so. I had never talked to them about it. I had never had any contact with her family since I stopped dating her, up until they wanted me to come help them -- Monday morning when the showed up."

Mileka: "Monday morning they showed up?"

Steven: "They showed up -- one of them showed up at work and told me what was going on and then called me later and I rushed out to show them exactly what had happened the night before and proceeded to help them look."

...Monday would have been the 10th. I had mentally corrected Fromtheladle's date (11th) to the 10th, thinking that she misspoke, since we knew that the officer had come to see him the morning of the 11th. It was assumed, not that they knew she had gone with him Sunday night, but, that he would be someone to ask right away...I don't recall that that part of his story was corrected, explicitly.

...?

You are not alone in this confusion. I've read and reread his interview and the Timeline Thread, trying to figure out what the heck is what.

 

[RunDaSurf]

So if he committed the murder in Keanae did he put her body in her SUV and drive some place? Stripped bloody clothes and what about jawbone and fingernails but put body back in SUV and drove to hide them some place else? Or she and Joshua are in Keanae near Paraquats? Still possible he put the bodies in the ocean but divers and police searched that area that week. If he put bodies in SUV and drove where did he go and hide them and then go wash off and then go back to Haiku?

 

[Loio]

Also I wouldn't put too much stock in his public shares on most days. Those links were making the rounds, he and I and many others like or subscribe to the same facebook pages.

 

[Napili]

Yes, and like Napili said, he could have had someone else post for him. It is kind of weird though if the posts were made to try to alibi him at home from 3:00 to 4:15, because his story ended up being that he drove out to Hana after work (after 3) and had truck break down and had to leave it and hitchback home. He would not comment on the FB activity times when confronted with the "breakdown" timeline by "Peter Tosh" on the Study FB page. He only said he went out to Hana because he likes to drive out there, and it is not true that he went fishing.

This opens up another question about why a FB "alibi" would be put in place after work, if he had planned the murder, and if had planned this story about the truck. Add to that he is most likely seen on traffic cam driving his truck in Pai'a (IIRC Pai'a, not 100%, but definitely contradicts his story) during the time his truck is supposedly out at Keanae. Why was he driving his truck around that afternoon if he planned to be pinning his life on a story that it broke down?

Everything he's said is inconsistent and none too bright. Along with everything else he didn't think of in his shrewd stupidity, he might not have thought of traffic cams.

Questions: How do we know that the FB posts were made between 3:00 and 4:45? When I look on FB I only see the dates.
What time was the traffic cam--?
Possible that he was trying to say that he'd gone out there after the posts then back out with Charli?

Something --What?--caused him to put himself into the picture, with his wild story, some time between Sunday and when he spoke to her sister and the officer that Tuesday morning. Was he seen or something That Night? Or Monday? And why does the Monday FB have even more (in my opinion, bogus) posts than Sunday? Needing to do some damage control?

I would sure like to ask Gf about those posts so I could either let go of that bone or run with it.

 

[Loio]

If you hover over the date and the time pops up.

 

[heartgoesout]

We don't know what he told police. We really only know what he said in his infamous interview.

 

[heartgoesout]

"TUE the 11th
Tuesday around 6 AM, officer arrives at Steven's home and questions him for ten minutes. Steven goes to work.
Sisters come to his workplace and want information, possibly after police tell them he admits he saw Charli, but don't know for sure. SC agrees to go out to Keanae with them when he gets off work and show them the "repair" spot. Meanwhile family and other searchers are driving up and down the Hana Highway looking for signs of her going off the road into a gulch or something, thinking car accident."

He had from Sunday to Tuesday and God only know how many other times to hide her.

 

[heartgoesout]

So is it Monday or Tuesday the family goes to see him at work?