GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[RunDaSurf]

As morbid a thought as this is, maybe Charli lost her phone in the melee. Maybe she threw it at the last minute so her family would be able to find her. Could be SC completely forgot about her phone until he texted her that night (a text that may have been his attempt to find her phone!).

Yes possible it just got left in the jungle there. Or since he hid her SUV a while not hard to think he could hide her phone too.

In first days searching was reported her phone was still on, ringing. Phone location didn't ping again on app she had on her iphone so app was turned off or just didn't update if phone didn't change location? Thinking about the phone because it's still missing and if he had control of it what did he do with it. And her laptop is also missing.

Easy to think because her skirt, blanket, dvd, other stuff were found there her phone is there too. Seems like he had a plan for the laptop though so I'd think he had a plan for the phone too.

 

[heartgoesout]

I would be surprised if she didn't have a password protecting anyone from accessing the phone. Most people do and most people don't give their password out. I think its far fetched that he was able to turn anything on or off in her phone.

 

[Napili]

Loio: "Maybe she threw it at the last minute so her family would be able to find her. Could be SC completely forgot about her phone until he texted her that night (a text that may have been his attempt to find her phone!). "

...Both extremely likely in my opinion, Fwiw. But it would have to have miraculously landed in a sheltered spot. Maybe it did. If he saw her throw it out it could explain both the need to place himself there and his the extreme rage in evidence.

Question: if the phone co. Can trace calls, can it trace texts? Perhaps a text from him from that Sunday?

 

[Loio]

Oh yeah, the phone company can give up the goods on all texts transmitted over the airwaves. I think the only thing it's not able to do is archive the contents of the texts.

I remember a train wreck a few years back where the engineer was texting instead of paying attention to the rail. The train went off the tracks and there were quite a few fatalities, including his own. The phone company made public his text transmissions (time, sent or received and frequency) and the right to privacy became a heated debate.

 

[heartgoesout]

Tom Brady just had that problem. In all seriousness though what do you mean by archive the contents.

 

[Loio]

Tom Brady just had that problem. In all seriousness though what do you mean by archive the contents.

Can you imagine the digital space required to archive each and every text message ever sent? "Hi Bob, it's Pam. See ya at noon!"

No no no, the contents of your texts are not read or maintained by some invisible Text Messaging Dept at the FCC.

Back to Charli, I chucked an old iphone outside in the grass overnight; cold and dew did not turn it off. It's an iphone 4S like Charli's in a cheap $10 Body Glove case from Walmart. I am bound and determined to defend the iphone's durability!

 

[La Louve]

Until recently, I worked as a paralegal in the telecommunications industry for over 20 years (WorldCom, MCI, Verizon, et al). A major portion of my workday was processing and responding to subpoenas for data. Text messaging was content to which we did not have access.

 

[Napili]

Until recently, I worked as a paralegal in the telecommunications industry for over 20 years (WorldCom, MCI, Verizon, et al). A major portion of my workday was processing and responding to subpoenas for data. Text messaging was content to which we did not have access.

But, would they be able to say if and when a text was sent? ...and to and from whom?

 

[La Louve]

Nope. All texting data was contained on the device. If a subpoena or search warrant wanted text messaging info we had nothing to provide in our response.

Now, that's not to say there wasn't some secret NSA program that was collecting all that stuff behind the scenes somehow, but I never knew about it if there was.

 

[heartgoesout]

Very early on family made a comment that SC had deleted his texts for the past few days with CS. How would they know that?

 

[La Louve]

Is there perhaps a way with an iphone that you can see your text archives online? I've never had that capability with any of my android phones. But I was just looking at my verizon wireless account and it does look like I can send a text message from my computer (i.e. not my phone), so I would guess those texts might be archived somewhere.

But like someone else posted, text message archiving would be an insanely astronomical amount of data to store. I don't think anyone other than the military and the government have that capability. I know we never did at any of the companies I worked for.

In cases that I've followed here, any text message info was a result of a subpoena to search the actual phone (or other device) itself.

 

[Loio]

But, would they be able to say if and when a text was sent? ...and to and from whom?

Wait a second. Texting info in regards to sender and recipient is available on billing statements. My paper bills used to say date, time and sent or received for texts just as it did for voice calls.

If Charli's family asked to see his phone and saw that he had deleted his conversation (texts) with her then I'm sure that's the only way to know. And OF COURSE they would say, "can I see your phone?" And of course he would hand it over, he had nothing to hide, the convo had been deleted.

Btw my iphone is still on outside in the wet although my battery is nearly depleated after 48 hrs.

 

[threecrazykids]

Wait a second. Texting info in regards to sender and recipient is available on billing statements. My paper bills used to say date, time and sent or received for texts just as it did for voice calls.

If Charli's family asked to see his phone and saw that he had deleted his conversation (texts) with her then I'm sure that's the only way to know. And OF COURSE they would say, "can I see your phone?" And of course he would hand it over, he had nothing to hide, the convo had been deleted.

Btw my iphone is still on outside in the wet although my battery is nearly depleated after 48 hrs.

I haven't read this thread for quite some time and just popped in again to see any updates...just wanted to state that yes, text info is available as far as sender's phone #/ date/time sent/received just as with voice. Content, no. And it has MORE to do with privacy laws, than the ability to store data. Even if I was able to pull content for MY phone bill's text messages I would only be able to see the messages sent from the phone under my bill, I wouldn't be able to see what was sent from another person's phone TO my phone.

And I work for the same company mentioned above.

 

[Loio]

Thank you 3CrazyKids!

 

[La Louve]

I haven't read this thread for quite some time and just popped in again to see any updates...just wanted to state that yes, text info is available as far as sender's phone #/ date/time sent/received just as with voice. Content, no. And it has MORE to do with privacy laws, than the ability to store data. Even if I was able to pull content for MY phone bill's text messages I would only be able to see the messages sent from the phone under my bill, I wouldn't be able to see what was sent from another person's phone TO my phone.

And I work for the same company mentioned above.

Just curious, did you work in Subpoena Compliance?

 

[threecrazykids]

Just curious, did you work in Subpoena Compliance?

No, I don't. I wish I did though...that sounds like a cool job!!

I work in Finance, but I have service with VZ as well. I view my bill each month online and this info is included (that's how I know that at least number/ time/date etc. is included). However, I did have an issue awhile back where I was inquiring about getting text content and was informed of the above.

 

[Napili]

Well, so ok. They will know about his texts to her. Texts on Sunday? A supposed Thank You text on Monday morning? What other numbers?

 

[Kapua]

Here is a cached link that should work until Google crawls the article again.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...pobianco+conversation&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&&ct=clnk

"Her burned 1994 Toyota 4Runner was found Feb. 12, 2014, near the "Jaws" surfing spot in Peahi. The next day, at "Paraquats" beach, east of Honomanu Bay, searchers found Scott's black skirt with bloodstains and at least 20 holes from a blade below the waistband where her unborn child would have been, according to the prosecution. - See more at: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=cache:f5S800fx5_IJ:http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/598081/Officer-recalls-Capobianco-conversation.html?nav%3D10%2BOfficer+recalls+Capobianco+conversation&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&&ct=clnk#sthash.gIvJ0clw.dpuf"

This is the most disturbing part of the article, and I had not read about the presence of alleged blade holes in Charli's skirt before.

 

[Kapua]

Ok just to be Devils Advocate considering we have all but hanged SC. Say his story is true? Say the reason he sped up up in Haiku was because as he told me his alternator was dying and his truck was running on battery so time was of the essence. He needed to get the truck home. Thats the last he sees of her in his mirror. She on the other hand realizes she forgot her phone in Keanae. Turns back to retrieve it. Maybe even calls a "Friend"to go with her. Her level of fuel is hearsay. What is reasonable doubt?

Reasonable doubt to me is the possibility that Charli and Joshua were killed by someone else.

SC admits to being with her on 2/9 and there's no evidence that his car was ever broken down or stuck. I have posted this before, but it bears repeating. Don't forget that Charli was not alone that night. She was with Nala, her protective pit bull mix dog. Only someone who Nala knew would have been able to get near Charli. So I personally do not find it reasonable to imagine a random stranger attacking Charli. The only other reasonable possibility would be that Charli had another enemy who Nala knew and trusted. And that enemy would had to have made his move sometime after Charli and SC went to rescue his allegedly disabled vehicle, and if SC really lost track of Charli at Twin Falls, that enemy would have turned around and driven back to Keanae. I'm not finding that scenario reasonable, either. Also, anyone other than SC who wanted to kill Charli would have killed Nala, too. He couldn't, IMHO, because Nala is related to his own dog, Chunk o'Butter.

The defense is, IMHO, attempting to strike evidence because they know that there really aren't any other reasonable possibilities.

 

[puakenikeni]

Those are excellent points as usual from you, Kapua. Question: has anyone in the family or friends talked about Nala's protectiveness? I know she is a Pit mix, but in Chunk's page I saw a lot about misconceptions that pits are aggressive and suggesting that these dogs were gentle. I'm not saying she wasn't also as protective as she was loyal, just wondering what is out there to confirm that.

The chance of some other killer transporting Nala unharmed and not upset is also nil I think.

I don't think Peter Tosh has any reasonable doubt, was just exploring the case to see if anything about SC's story would possibly pan out.