GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[heartgoesout]

I had the same thought. We are assuming that Nala was protective and would have reacted. That may not be the case.

 

[puakenikeni]

I remember seeing a comment from her mom that the other dog, who was locked in the house, was all out of sorts when Charli remained missing, but that Nala was Nala, big and dopey. I don't know where I read that exactly, but it was Kim who said it, and it suggested I thought that Nala was not the sensitive or vigilant one of the pair, not the brightest either. She also said somewhere else that Nala would never leave a conscious Charli, so very loyal, bonded, but didn't sound fierce or mean.

However, I think the sister (BS) who said that Charli made an unlikely target by stranger is also important. The fact is when you (bad guy looking for a woman at random) some a woman riding with a large Pitbull mix dog, impulse is likely let her go by and wait for someone without a canine protector, because you don't know the dog and you know what the breed is capable of doing when upset.

I once watched an "upset" female Pitbull half tear the shirt off my old man while he was inside a truck and had his arm resting on the rolled down window. She came out of nowhere and he had not provoked her at all. Made a lasting impression on me.

 

[RunDaSurf]

I don't think SC has some heart of gold for animals and that's why he didn't kill Nala. I think he was focused on killing Charli and he was too lazy to kill Nala too. Murder weapon seems to be blade from what we know about the skirt. Killer would have to stab Nala before Charli because even if Nala is dopey who would risk murdering a dogs owner in front of them. He didn't care about Nala because he dumped her in Nahiku and she could been hit by a car or taken for hunting. Why else dump her there?

 

[Kapua]

I remember seeing a comment from her mom that the other dog, who was locked in the house, was all out of sorts when Charli remained missing, but that Nala was Nala, big and dopey. I don't know where I read that exactly, but it was Kim who said it, and it suggested I thought that Nala was not the sensitive or vigilant one of the pair, not the brightest either. She also said somewhere else that Nala would never leave a conscious Charli, so very loyal, bonded, but didn't sound fierce or mean.

However, I think the sister (BS) who said that Charli made an unlikely target by stranger is also important. The fact is when you (bad guy looking for a woman at random) some a woman riding with a large Pitbull mix dog, impulse is likely let her go by and wait for someone without a canine protector, because you don't know the dog and you know what the breed is capable of doing when upset.

I once watched an "upset" female Pitbull half tear the shirt off my old man while he was inside a truck and had his arm resting on the rolled down window. She came out of nowhere and he had not provoked her at all. Made a lasting impression on me.

Exactly! A stranger who doesn't KNOW Nala's personality isn't going to take the chance. SC's story about seeing her headlights at Twin Falls isn't going to wash with the the location of her clothing and partial remains. Twin Falls is at mile marker 2. Her clothing was found between mile markers 14 and 18 according to one of the first links on the Timeline thread. And Nala was found in Nahiku, which is, according to Google, 25 miles and approximately 1 hr, 11 minutes down windy Hana Hwy. 25 miles in the opposite direction from which she was driving, according to SC's ridiculous story. It's absurd to think that someone else could have apprehended her and driven back the other way. And I also don't think Peter Tosh has any reasonable doubt, based on everything else he's posted. He's probably trying to imagine how the defense team is going to argue the case. I wonder what SC's fascination with Hana Hwy is - I've always assumed that it had to do with his alleged drug dealing.

 

[Kapua]

I don't think SC has some heart of gold for animals and that's why he didn't kill Nala. I think he was focused on killing Charli and he was too lazy to kill Nala too. Murder weapon seems to be blade from what we know about the skirt. Killer would have to stab Nala before Charli because even if Nala is dopey who would risk murdering a dogs owner in front of them. He didn't care about Nala because he dumped her in Nahiku and she could been hit by a car or taken for hunting. Why else dump her there?

Good points! Maybe it was just more convenient to drop her off and give himself one less thing to deal with.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Picture SC trying to fight a pitbull he just tried to stab.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Thinking on the theory that SC drove Charli to Keanae in her SUV against her will, would he do that with Nala in the SUV? Dopey or not a dog will get fired up with their owner screaming.

 

[Napili]

Do we know from another source besides him that Nala was with Charli and was not at Charli's or w/ his dogs or somewhere else? Could he not have taken Nala out to Hana on Monday?

 

[Napili]

Also, in reviewing the first day's timeline, I get Tuesday's events mixed up with Monday's.
Monday morning Charli didn't report to her job. Was anyone called about that?
Monday day, what efforts were made to find her? Did they go to her house that day? Did her sisters talk to him at all that day? He worked until 3:00?
Nala was found at Nahiku on Monday (but this wasn't told to the family until Tuesday) Monday night, late, her mother reported her missing.
When did the sister(s) come to his house? Did they come to his work on Monday or Tuesday? When did he go out with them to "search"?

Thanks in advance--since he lied about everything, but still retained a little bit of truth here & there, I keep going back trying to see it with fresh eyes.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Yep and what is the timeline without what SC said in his interview? And inaccurate media reports.

 

[RunDaSurf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7HRuH8xg0


MAUIWatch EXCLUSIVE Interview with Kim Scott, mother of missing Maui woman Carly "Charli" Scott


Published on Feb. 12, 2014


“At 8:30 Charli picked up Steven. At 9:30 they got to Steven’s truck which was at mile marker 20. At 10:30 Steven say they got back to Haiku and he has no he doesn’t know what happened to her he said he stopped or he didn’t see her headlights after Ulalena. That 11 o’clock ping from her cell phone, it came from Keanae Peninsula and that was the last ping that we got. His car was left out at this mile marker and he somehow made it back to his residence where he called Charli and asked her to drive him back out. All of my daughters have tried the iPhone search and it’s saying that her cell phone’s not online but it’s still ringing.


(1:10) “Nala was with her. Nala was found Monday morning by someone who lives right near Nahiku Market Place. And that is where the search is beginning.”


(1:56) “To be very honest, I don’t think Nala would have left a conscious Charli.”


(2:18) He saw her headlights which are very distinguishable because of the skull on the front which has two light eyeballs, if he says he lost those eyeballs at Ulalena it would be extremely strange for Nala to end up all the way at Nahiku Market Place from there.”


(3:05) “We’re focusing the search on mile marker 20, between mile markers 27 and 29 which are out at Nahiku Market Place. So that’s where they’re focusing right now.”


(3:18) “The Officer Loo called me this morning and said that he has put in another request to get a helicopter search going.”


(4:04) “We drove the whole route all the way to Hana, all the way back home three times yesterday and there were eight of us out there. None of us saw car parked, burnout marks, any kind of anything wrong with the railings so there’s no indication of where she might have gone over.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7HRuH8xg0

 

[RunDaSurf]

"(2:18) He saw her headlights which are very distinguishable because of the skull on the front which has two light eyeballs, if he says he lost those eyeballs at Ulalena it would be extremely strange for Nala to end up all the way at Nahiku Market Place from there.”" - Kimberlyn Scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or7HRuH8xg0


Wonder what did SC say about grill of her SUV? Did he say it was on her SUV that night and he saw the skull light in his rearview?


http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24885045/significant-developments-in-charli-scott-case

"Police sources also revealed, the grill from Charli's SUV had been found. It was a recognizable part of the vehicle because of the skull ornament on it. When the missing 27-year old's SUV was found, it had been stripped, turned over, and burned. But the grill was not in the surf area known as 'Jaws'. The grill and possibly other part of the SUV were found late last week in a home in Haiku but we're told the people in the home are not 'suspects' in this case."

(SC wasnt being called a suspect yet)

 

[heartgoesout]

I wonder if Nala was in the back of the truck and was not able to access the front? Was Nala even in the truck? I just keep thinking that the timeline and story do not make sense therefore it must be a lie (with some truths inserted by SC). We just don't know what he told her, where they were going, what the plan was, etc...

 

[RunDaSurf]

Someone on here last year posed theory maybe Nala barking in the SUV is why so much evidence was left. Killer was in a hurry to get out of there and then just dumped Nala at Nahiku.

 

[heartgoesout]

It's like once your hear his version you can't unhear it. It clouds the mind. Take his words out of it, erase it and what facts are there? When could Nala have been taken there?

 

[Napili]

It's like once your hear his version you can't unhear it. It clouds the mind. Take his words out of it, erase it and what facts are there? When could Nala have been taken there?

Exactly. Here's the above interview with Kimberly minus any storyline from SC, and some further editing:

--"That 11 o’clock ping from her cell phone, it came from Keanae Peninsula and that was the last ping that we got.
--"All of my daughters have tried the iPhone search and it’s saying that her cell phone’s not online but it’s still ringing. [Wed]
--"Nala was found Monday morning by someone who lives right near Nahiku Market Place. And that is where the search is beginning. [Wed]
--“We’re focusing the search on mile marker 20, between mile markers 27 and 29 which are out at Nahiku Market Place. [Wed.]
--“The Officer Loo called me this morning [Wed.] and said that he has put in another request to get a helicopter search going.
--“We drove the whole route all the way to Hana, all the way back home three times yesterday [Tuesday] (and there were eight of us out there. [SC too?] None of us saw car parked, burnout marks, any kind of anything wrong with the railings so there’s no indication of where she might have gone over.)"

 

[Kapua]

It's like once your hear his version you can't unhear it. It clouds the mind. Take his words out of it, erase it and what facts are there? When could Nala have been taken there?

I look at it this way: He either made one trip down Hana Hwy. that night or more than one. If it was one, then my theory is that "exhausted" Charli was asleep in the SUV when the they got to Nahiku and SC let Nala out and never let her back in. Then he took Charli to Keanae, did the deed, and then disposed of the SUV. If it was more than one trip, then he let Nala stay in Haiku with his dog while he and Charli went to Keanae, and then he drove Nala to Nahiku after he'd done the deed.

 

[RunDaSurf]

Sunday 8:30PM Charli picked up Steven and had Nala with her when she got there.
Sunday 10:56PM Charli's phone pinged Keanae.
Monday 2AM Steven skyped his girlfriend.
Monday 7AM(?) Steven went to work.
Monday AM Nala found at Nahiku Market Place.

I don't think Charli would want leave Nala at Steven's because then she would need to go back to his house after Keanae and get Nala instead of just going straight home to Makawao and she had work Monday morning. If Nala was left at Steven's it would be because he drugged or hurt Charli there before driving to Keanae.

If SC brought Nala to Nahiku Market Place he was in Nahiku some time between 9:30PM-10:30PM, 11:30PM-1AM, or 4AM-6AM and those are max possible times but I don't know how long he was on Skype.

Between 8:30PM-2AM is barely enough time to go two trips out Keanae, Nahiku and perhaps not enough time to also murder and hide maybe burn SUV. So I don't think SC went home and picked Nala up and drove back to Nahiku that night unless it was after he skyped his girlfriend and before he went to work.

 

[puakenikeni]

Sunday 8:30PM Charli picked up Steven and had Nala with her when she got there.
Sunday 10:56PM Charli's phone pinged Keanae.
Monday 1AM Steven skyped his girlfriend.
Monday 7AM(?) Steven went to work.
Monday AM Nala found at Nahiku Market Place.

I don't think Charli would want leave Nala at Steven's because then she would need to go back to his house after Keanae and get Nala instead of just going straight home to Makawao and she had work Monday morning. If Nala was left at Steven's it would be because he drugged or hurt Charli there before driving to Keanae.

If SC brought Nala to Nahiku Market Place he was in Nahiku some time between 9:30PM-10:30PM, 11:30PM-12AM, or 3AM-6AM and those are max possible times but I don't know how long he was on Skype.

Between 8:30PM-1AM is barely enough time to go two trips out Keanae, Nahiku and is not enough time to also murder and hide maybe burn SUV. So I don't think SC went home and picked Nala up and drove back to Nahiku that night unless it was after he skyped his girlfriend and before he went to work.

Good work guys.
I am wondering how we know definitely that he skyped his girlfriend and for how long? MPD has his phone records but has not made them public.

Something to perhaps note is that fromtheladle said someone reported seeing SC "miles past Hana" on Sunday night, in a car not his own. When you live around Haiku, "past" Hana is continuing around to maybe Kipahulu or even farther, could even be that he made the circuit through Kaupo. Keanae and Nahiku are not past Hana, are on the road to Hana.

heartgoesout, it was an SUV, not a truck, so there is not any division to keep the dog separate, just a rear cargo area and back seats.

SC never made a public comment about the skull ornament that I have seen. It was family that mentioned distinctive headlights.

As to how they knew Nala was with her, I am not sure if there is video of the family saying that before they spoke to Steven on Tuesday. I have always assumed that Charli had Nala with her when she left her sister's house. Her other dog was at her home. Had Nala not been with her at the sister's home in Haiku, then the family would question how she was with her when Charli supposedly got to SC's house in Haiku. That would have meant driving to Makawao, picking up Nala, and then driving back to Haiku to "help Steven." Not likely at all for a tired pregnant woman. You're in Haiku for dinner and a party, you don't drive to Makawao and back to make another stop in Haiku.

The family has never questioned that Nala was with her, so I presume when they last saw Charli, she had Nala in the 4Runner.

 

[Kapua]

Good work guys.
I am wondering how we know definitely that he skyped his girlfriend and for how long? MPD has his phone records but has not made them public.

Something to perhaps note is that fromtheladle said someone reported seeing SC "miles past Hana" on Sunday night, in a car not his own. When you live around Haiku, "past" Hana is continuing around to maybe Kipahulu or even farther, could even be that he made the circuit through Kaupo. Keanae and Nahiku are not past Hana, are on the road to Hana.

heartgoesout, it was an SUV, not a truck, so there is not any division to keep the dog separate, just a rear cargo area and back seats.

SC never made a public comment about the skull ornament that I have seen. It was family that mentioned distinctive headlights.

As to how they knew Nala was with her, I am not sure if there is video of the family saying that before they spoke to Steven on Tuesday. I have always assumed that Charli had Nala with her when she left her sister's house. Her other dog was at her home. Had Nala not been with her at the sister's home in Haiku, then the family would question how she was with her when Charli supposedly got to SC's house in Haiku. That would have meant driving to Makawao, picking up Nala, and then driving back to Haiku to "help Steven." Not likely at all for a tired pregnant woman. You're in Haiku for dinner and a party, you don't drive to Makawao and back to make another stop in Haiku.

The family has never questioned that Nala was with her, so I presume when they last saw Charli, she had Nala in the 4Runner.

According to Brooke on the Find Charli site and also "From the Ladle" here on Websleuths, SC failed to adhere to his usual ritual of Skyping his gf at 1 AM, but did call her at 2 AM. As to how she knew that, this is an assumption on my part, but it could be that the gf told Brooke that when they met.