GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

[RunDaSurf]

Thanks Kapua! Just fixed time in my post.

 

[heartgoesout]

Yes, I know her truck was an SUV. : ) I was wondering how a 1997 4Runner's seating arrangement is. If Nala was in the back of the truck are the seats too high for her to jump over? What about the second row, are the seats high? Would Nala even have access to "help" Charli?

 

[RunDaSurf]

Between 8:30PM-2AM is barely enough time to go two trips out Keanae, Nahiku and perhaps not enough time to also murder and hide maybe burn SUV. So I don't think SC went home and picked Nala up and drove back to Nahiku that night unless it was after he skyped his girlfriend and before he went to work.

And if he went back out after Skype lets say driving some time 3AM-6AM he would take his own truck then not her SUV I think. (Or another vehicle we don't know about)

But I don't think he went back out to Nahiku then just my opinion.

 

[RunDaSurf]

If SC drove Charli's SUV to Pe'ahi Sunday (after ping in Keanae at 10:56, before Skype 2AM) was it taxed at Pe'ahi then? You'd need another vehicle to take the parts away. Where did the parts go? Where did that other vehicle go?

Did SC leave his truck hidden at Pe'ahi Sunday? (With mechanic tools and can of gas since he's charged with arson)

 

[RunDaSurf]

And he didn't necessary sell the SUV parts. They could just be buried some place. Saves work and risk of selling them.

 

[Napili]

You who know: did Charli often go with Steven in his truck?

Remember, everything points to his having fabricated the help-me-rescue-the-stuck-truck story, after the fact. There is nothing in fact that confirms Charli's being asked to drive him anywhere, voluntarily going with him anywhere , or driving together in her vehicle--only in his &@#% story which keeps gumming things up. And the fact that puzzling and contradictory clues and evidence are strewn far and wide. Not that she couldn't have done, but it isn't a given...Remember, the SUV was stripped and torched sometime before Wed. pm (correct?) and (Charli's sister says) he detailed his truck on Monday. Factoring all this into possible scenarios is complicating, but not unreasonable, I'm thinking. But if I'm not accounting for something that truly narrows it down, please do correct

 

[puakenikeni]

Yes, I know her truck was an SUV. : ) I was wondering how a 1997 4Runner's seating arrangement is. If Nala was in the back of the truck are the seats too high for her to jump over? What about the second row, are the seats high? Would Nala even have access to "help" Charli?

Sorry to go back a step from where you all are now, but to answer the question, sorry, you had said "back of the truck" in your question, so I wasn't sure you were thinking SUV. Here is a photo taken from the cargo area of a '97 ForeRunner looking towards the front.
http://www.alltoyotatrucksuvparts.com/new-arrivals/380x285/100005_r.jpg
The back seats are not that high, and the dog could come between the two front seats.
Back seats can't be really high because the law requires the driver be able to use the rear view mirror to see out, and high seats would block it.

There are various good ideas said here about how it could have gone down. I don't see only one clearly, try as I may. When we hear of police evidence during the trial, that should help.
Thurs May 28 to go on with the motion to suppress and set trial date, last I heard, so two days.

 

[puakenikeni]

You who know: did Charli often go with Steven in his truck?

Remember, everything points to his having fabricated the help-me-rescue-the-stuck-truck story, after the fact. There is nothing in fact that confirms Charli's being asked to drive him anywhere, voluntarily going with him anywhere , or driving together in her vehicle--only in his &@#% story which keeps gumming things up. And the fact that puzzling and contradictory clues and evidence are strewn far and wide. Not that she couldn't have done, but it isn't a given...Remember, the SUV was stripped and torched sometime before Wed. pm (correct?) and (Charli's sister says) he detailed his truck on Monday. Factoring all this into possible scenarios is complicating, but not unreasonable, I'm thinking. But if I'm not accounting for something that truly narrows it down, please do correct

Yes, it is a really good point to strip away what he put in everyone's head about what happened. I think the only risky part for him that might have made him tell a story similar to what he told Charli (as reason to come over) is if he thought there was a chance she would tell someone she was going to see him and why.

Although we have heard she did not tell her family about Steven, she had other friends, and the silence to family may not have been a sure thing at least in his mind.

If he were not concerned she had mentioned going to see him, then would he not have told the police that he had not seen her at all? His story put him right in the middle of it as prime person of interest. He could have said, we're not together and we really don't see each other too often. Assuming he really did call her to ask her to come by, he could have explained the phone record by saying they had briefly talked on the phone, still no need to invent story of going with her to remote part of Maui at night, or that she was coming over. (He had to assume his phone records might be looked at. He most likely DID send her a text Monday as a record to show that he thought she was alive to receive a text.)

Something made him come up with that story, which certainly did not help him unless he knew he might be implicated regardless in something along those lines, some part of it. In that case it would be better to pre-emptively admit whatever someone else might testify to.

 

[RunDaSurf]

We go around circles here to stay within the site terms of service. We can't discuss:

[modsnip]

Media said there will be many witnesses though.

 

[RunDaSurf]

You who know: did Charli often go with Steven in his truck?

Steven had a DUI sentence in Feb-March 2013
http://mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/570885/DUI-Sentences.html?nav=10


First reports said his truck was borrowed from a friend but then cleared up that he bought it from him but was still paying.
Steven had a new girlfriend.
My opinion only is Charli didn't go in Steven's truck often. Maybe when he had DUI he asked her to drive him.

 

[heartgoesout]

From the beginning my gut told me that Charli had to have had a friend that she could talk to about men. We all have different friends that fulfill different needs. The corporate friend you call to talk to about your career but not men, the wild friend you call for some girl power and doesn't judge your bad decisions, the voice of reason friend when you need someone to talk you out of something, the sappy friend you call after a break up and so on...

My point is that Charli didn't text/call anyone that night? Not her sisters, no friends? No call to that friend saying you won't believe what the jerk wants me to do? No call saying tell me not to go! No call saying you know I love him I have to go... just nothing?? She obviously was loved by countless people yet she didn't say a word to anyone that night?? Here's where my gut kicks in.

So we all have his story clouding us. What if she didn't tell anyone because she never got a call from him? Could he have just ambushed her at her home, or waited for her at the end of her road or waited for her inside her house? We don't have to believe his story, just the facts. And really what are the facts that night? (I'm not good at these fact timelines, anyone?)

 

[heartgoesout]

To coat tail off my own post, the info we are speculating about is from Steven's story. It is possible NONE of that happened. I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not saying any of the below is possible or not, I'm just saying just because he said it does not make it fact. It's so hard to release his story from my brain.

1. We do not know it as fact that she picked him up at 8:30pm or for that matter that she picked him up at all.
2. We do not know it as fact that Steven told her his car was stuck/broken down. We don't know what he told her. He could have, for example, told her he lost his dog and could she help him find it. Or he could have never made that call. Maybe they never spoke.
3. We do not know it as fact that they didn't meet somewhere.
4. We do not know it as fact that Nala was actually with her at any point after she left being with her family.

Tired, but hoping I made my point. Pau, you are so good at your posts. Can you scrap away his story and just post a timeline of facts?

Steven's grandfather whom he was living with I believe is the testimony I most want to hear.

 

[Napili]

Pua said: Something made him come up with that story, which certainly did not help him unless he knew he might be implicated regardless in something along those lines, some part of it. In that case it would be better to pre-emptively admit whatever someone else might testify to.

~Exactly. I've been racking my brains trying to come up with what it could be. Head's spinning. It seems like it has to be that he was seen that night. Out the road, I'm thinking... Prior to that, he was completely out of the picture. I always wondered why he would tell the police that he had driven his truck out there and back, with a suspended license. Well...because any other story would not suffice to place him in a different vehicle than her SUV at the last. So he must have been seen, or thought he was seen (with her? Necessarily?), after 8:3o but before @9:30, out the road. And the cell phone, perhaps tossed out to an unreachable precipice, pinging at 10:46. Had to be home before then in his story, if he knew about pings... I keep remembering that his GF was due to return in one week. Talking every night. Late for him; early for her. Nothing to do with the story, but motivation. Later that night. Putting everything in place. When did he need the story? When did he have to change it to where he was with her in her SUV? It would take a practiced liar to be so cool. I've got plenty of jello--anyone got a hammer & nail?

Heartgoesout said: So we all have his story clouding us. What if she didn't tell anyone because she never got a call from him? Could he have just ambushed her at her home, or waited for her at the end of her road or waited for her inside her house? We don't have to believe his story, just the facts. And really what are the facts that night? (I'm not good at these fact timelines, anyone?)

~Exactly. They could have seen each other that afternoon, even. No need for a call. And he would know about the party. Determined, everything preset....but I can't see it. You people are so good at that. I just think the prosecutor knows about everything and here I am with my jello. Is there any way we could actually have any insight that they don't?

 

[puakenikeni]

From the beginning my gut told me that Charli had to have had a friend that she could talk to about men. We all have different friends that fulfill different needs. The corporate friend you call to talk to about your career but not men, the wild friend you call for some girl power and doesn't judge your bad decisions, the voice of reason friend when you need someone to talk you out of something, the sappy friend you call after a break up and so on...

My point is that Charli didn't text/call anyone that night? Not her sisters, no friends? No call to that friend saying you won't believe what the jerk wants me to do? No call saying tell me not to go! No call saying you know I love him I have to go... just nothing?? She obviously was loved by countless people yet she didn't say a word to anyone that night?? Here's where my gut kicks in.

So we all have his story clouding us. What if she didn't tell anyone because she never got a call from him? Could he have just ambushed her at her home, or waited for her at the end of her road or waited for her inside her house? We don't have to believe his story, just the facts. And really what are the facts that night? (I'm not good at these fact timelines, anyone?)

yes, I agree it would be weird if she did not have such a friend. I think it is very possible she didn't make a call beforehand though. I can relate to the situation from when I was her age. First, when you know you're going to do something and it's not really a question, and it's short notice --you don't call friends who won't agree or approve BEFORE. Because your question is not real. You are going and you know it. You intend to call them after and tell them how it went, and analyze all the details to see if they read them the way you do.
Now if she had a call from him with a fair amount of advance notice, giving her time to waffle, then she is more likely to call friends. Or if she was really torn what to do, call a friend. But if she wanted to go, and knew they would tell her it is a bad idea, then why call?
BUT, SC had no way of knowing whether or not she called a girlfriend.
This is one reason he might need to repeat the same story he told her, consistency.
The other reason is he was observed in her car that night out near Hana somewhere, very suspicious with her going missing, so he makes up a reason to be out there, BUT he changes up the place he was broken down by a few miles from where they actually stopped, and places them on the highway and not down the road to Paraquat's.
The phone ping took the sister to the right place, not his story.
Is it a fact that he called her at all? We will not know until the trial talks about his and her phone records. He should have been savvy enough not to say he called unless there was a call on his phone.

btw, right before this happened, there was a huge case on the Big Island where the boyfriend's phone records were most of the case against him. He was screwed because he answered a call and said something he should not have. So Steven should have been aware at the time, people were talking about it, think about your phone calls because the police will check them and figure out your lies. Was SC smart enough to think it through? I don't know.

 

[puakenikeni]

To coat tail off my own post, the info we are speculating about is from Steven's story. It is possible NONE of that happened. I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not saying any of the below is possible or not, I'm just saying just because he said it does not make it fact. It's so hard to release his story from my brain.

1. We do not know it as fact that she picked him up at 8:30pm or for that matter that she picked him up at all.
2. We do not know it as fact that Steven told her his car was stuck/broken down. We don't know what he told her. He could have, for example, told her he lost his dog and could she help him find it. Or he could have never made that call. Maybe they never spoke.
3. We do not know it as fact that they didn't meet somewhere.
4. We do not know it as fact that Nala was actually with her at any point after she left being with her family.

Tired, but hoping I made my point. Pau, you are so good at your posts. Can you scrap away his story and just post a timeline of facts?

Steven's grandfather whom he was living with I believe is the testimony I most want to hear.

Yes, that will be so interesting to hear.
Thanks for the compliment. I can revisit my timeline post and scrape away his story. I'm short of time this week, sorry. But if I can do it fast ...

 

[RunDaSurf]

so he makes up a reason to be out there, BUT he changes up the place he was broken down by a few miles from where they actually stopped, and places them on the highway and not down the road to Paraquat's.
The phone ping took the sister to the right place, not his story.

Bingo. So when did Steven find out about 10:56 phone ping? Did her family tell him about it right away when they were searching for her? Did Steven tell the officer Tuesday morning something contradictory that Defense is trying to get thrown out of court?

Or did SC find some way to look through her phone that night? Demand her password from her or did she trust him with it?

 

[puakenikeni]

I can't find my timeline post, but I have most of it memorized. Please add more facts you think are important.
________
Sun Feb 9
Charli Scott leaves a family party at her sister Brooke's home in Haiku at about 8 PM.
She is never seen again by friends or family. No one has contacted the family saying they saw her after that.

There were some atypical posts on SC's Facebook account from about 3-4:15 PM and late in the evening. (Not necessarily made by SC.)

Just before 11 PM - Charli's iPhone pings off of a cell tower and gives its location as somewhere near Honomanu Bay.

Hearsay for now:
the police gave the grand jury some evidence that a truck lifted like SC's and with blurry photo of driver that could be Steven was captured on camera in Paia at a time when he later claimed his truck was disabled out near Keanae.
From the Ladle indicated he initially said his truck was there overnight.
fromtheladle said SC was seen "in Hana" by someone late that night miles past Keanae, in a car not known to be his.

Mon Feb 10
Nala is found at Nahiku Marketplace, but is not connected to the family or police until the next day.
Charli does not stop by her mom's house to drop off laundry before work. Mom worries.
Family discovers Charli never went to work.
Family learns no friends they know of have called her or texted her since before the party.
Family members go to her house and find her other dog locked in and out of food and water. Nala is not there.
Family does some driving around looking for her car in case she had an accident.
Late -- 10PM to midnight, mother makes missing persons report and mentions SC is likely to be involved.

Tue Feb 11
Police show up at SC's house and wake him, ask him questions, at about 6 AM
SC admits he his father of baby (has been told) and says he was with Charli the night before. We don't know exactly what he said at that point.

Scott Sister calls SC at work, then goes to his workplace (8 AM) to ask him what he knows.
SC tells family story about truck stuck near Keanae and promises to show them the spot when he gets off work (at 3 probably). The spot is not fact, but the fact is he tells the story and they soon start looking in this area and all along Hana Highway to that point.

Police call SC and ask him to come to the station to answer questions. He says he cannot because he has to go out Hana Highway with family.

SC goes out to "search" with family and shows them a spot near the 20 MM near Keanae where he supposedly had vehicle trouble.
Sister is checking out Honomanu because of phone ping.
From The ladle says SC went down the road where her clothes were later found twice that day, alone, and acted "protective" of it.

Before midnight: Kim Scott learns that Nala has been found unharmed, not dirty, not in distress, at Nahiku Marketplace.

Wed. Feb 12
Search goes on, starting at Nahiku.
SC goes to Wailuku police station where he answers questions and takes a polygraph.

Before 6 PM, searchers find the 4Runner torched in the Peahi Road area.
Police are notified and police impound the car as evidence.

Thurs, Feb 13
SC gives interview by phone to Mileka Lincoln, saying he will answer questions and they can use it but cannot broadcast the recording.

Just before dusk, PS and other searchers find Charli's clothes near the road leading to Paraquat's, near a stream, not on the beach.
Found are Blanket (one she kept in the Forerunner) full of maggots, and also found blouse, bra, skirt Charli wore at the party, all slashed multiple times and with blood on them. The skirt has more than 20 stab slashes below the waistband (this info presented to grand jury, not publicly commented on by PS).
Also found --Two empty rolls of duct tape, gloves, and a pair of black jeans. (Possible other items not listed.)

PS and other searchers photograph items in place and take them to police station.

Fri, Feb 14
Police search the area where evidence was found. Locate bone with tooth (later identified as CS jawbone and tooth), blood (on ground?), Charli's shoes, fingernails. (Possibly more not released.)

This is the last time and place evidence of her was found. Her laptop was never found. Her phone was never online again nor pinged again, but it did ring for a few days (which means it was turned on and had battery power). Never found.

Summary: (whereabouts not accounted for means as far as known by us at Websleuths via some source. Trial evidence should make it more clear when SC's whereabouts are truly accounted for by witnesses.)

Steven's truck was not seen broken down on Hana Highway near Keanae, even though it is police procedure to note unoccupied vehicles on that road, it is a heavily traveled road, and the case was high profile on media asking for anyone who had seen anything.

Charli was last seen by family at around 8 PM in Haiku, and her phone last pinged at 11 PM near Honomanu Bay.
Charli must have had Nala with her at the family party, or there would have been some uncertainty about Nala's accompaniment from family. There was not.

Nala was almost certainly transported to Nahiku or nearby, did not walk there. Whoever did it did not harm her. No signs she had been in struggle.

Steven's story does not name anyone as witnesses to support story, does not mention seeing anyone (except Charli) from 3 PM Sunday when he left work until he went back to work Monday morning.
No one that we know of reported Charli as seen going to SC's house or back to her own house in Makawao. (Note that her landlord lives on the same property, does he not?)

Mon -- Tue -- Wed
Steven reportedly detailed his truck (From The Ladle). Do not know if he worked Monday.
Steven was accounted for from Tuesday a.m. until some time Tuesday afternoon, HOWEVER, he is said by From The Ladle to have twice that afternoon had access alone to the area where Charli's clothes, items, and partial remains were found 2-3 days later. Steven is not accounted for Tuesday night.
Steven is accounted for part of Wednesday, went to police station, was polygraphed. May have worked, not known.
PS told grand jury that he searched for Charli at least once after he was polygraphed (which happened Wednesday morning).
Wednesday night, not known.
The Forerunner had already been torched and was not blazing or smoking at 6 PM Wednesday. No one reported the actual blaze. (Was it late at night then?)

Thurs
HNN interview and evidence of crime scene found
Fri
Police have crime scene area cordoned off and find evidence in that vicinity that allows them to rule it a homicide (on March 4).

 

[puakenikeni]

Bingo. So when did Steven find out about 10:56 phone ping? Did her family tell him about it right away when they were searching for her? Did Steven tell the officer Tuesday morning something contradictory that Defense is trying to get thrown out of court?

Or did SC find some way to look through her phone that night? Demand her password from her or did she trust him with it?

Good questions. Can't guess about the phone except that I kind of doubt he got control of it or he would surely have turned it off after looking through it.
As for the family telling him about the ping, I doubt that they told him at 8 AM when confronting him, although don't know. But he must have learned about it as part of the search party when the search went to the area of the ping. How could he not?
Your spec that he said something amiss to the police that contradicted something key sounds spot on. Perhaps he made more than one mistake. He did not know Nala had been found until after the police interview at the station. But it was common knowledge by later that day. The motion complains that the police did not tell him about Nala being found, location, in what state.
My personal feeling is that Nala being found unharmed and obviously transported by car shot to hell whatever frame up of some other assailant that he was trying to sell. The location was so wrong for where he was intimating she could have run into trouble. Nala being found started his whole lie unraveling bigtime. He can't suppress that Nala was found, but whatever he said about Nala could also damage him.

 

[puakenikeni]

There's a lot LE might have gathered as evidence that wasn't made public.

Don't worry I won't make a list Cold Pizza lol don't want to catch lickins again!

Oh doubtless there is a large amount of evidence. I hope we hear some of it soon through the media and can talk about it. At this point I'm just waiting to hear what they have and adjust spec to the new facts.
I made the timeline for heartgoesout because she asked for what we know (not police or family, we here) that is not sourced by Steven. To get his story out of the mental picture and see how else it could have happened.

 

[RunDaSurf]

there's some delay for me for posts loading here and i didnt see your timeline when i posted that