GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #3

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  • #961
Just to clarify, did he detail his own truck or the truck he technically didn't own, but was going to buy, and had borrowed from a friend? The latter being the one that was not impounded till several days later. And don't forget that cash advance he got for tires that he never bought $1500 if I remember correctly.
 
  • #962
So I just went back and tried to find a reference to exactly when the jawbone was found, and I cannot. If it was said, it was said quite a bit after the fact.
I know the police searched the area the day after the clothes were found. They made multiple searches through early March.

It was a good thing going back. I remember now: there was no official announcement about the bone until March 7th when the homicide was announced publicly after the family was told.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24920248/maui-police-reclassify-charli-scott-case-as-homicide

However, an HNN reporter published an article March 4 and mentioned forensics on a bone and tooth.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24885045/significant-developments-in-charli-scott-case
This was horrible for the family to learn it in the news and not confirmed. And the police told them this was not reliable info, and it was not leaked to the reporter. Everyone was scolding the reporter for printing rumors without a source.
But three days later, MPD confirmed it was true, declining to give details of the case.
News about the jawbone didn't make it into MSM until July when SC was indicted after grand jury proceedings where the info began to trickle out.

Thank you for refreshing my memory. I have been reviewing these old articles as well. I remember thinking at the time that the jawbone was found by the police the day after the clothes. Notice the police tape in the link you found:
http://mauinow.com/2014/02/15/exclusive-interview-search-for-charli-running-on-adrenaline/

If the police did a thorough job, this is when they found the jawbone. IMHO.
:moo:
 
  • #963
Sorry my posts are playing catch-up. Because it takes time to find the links and pick out quotes, by the time they go up there are several more posts, which is great to see. :)

Yes, we are all anxious to hear what MPD has. Good point on phone and computer records. Even the family has not been told. I know they cannot be told anything that might influence their knowledge until after they testify, but I sure do feel for them, waiting and waiting to find out.

I have a bad feeling that they did not search SC's house and possessions until it was way too late. He was only a person of interest, and I have never heard a word about search warrants on him or his grandfather's property at the time of the disappearance.

I do remember something about how MPD could not search the Bernard's house (ex-boyfriend of Mo), because he "had rights." So I figure that SC had similar rights.

Oh, and remember Brooke said it was known that he detailed HIS truck, I think the day after? That should be part of our analysis. FTL said SC is a pig and never cleans anything, so the detailing was notable. How does it fit with the theory that his truck perhaps needed cleaning? I can't remember where I read that, maybe on the Study Facebook? Anyone remember?

The problem is that Charli and Steven (and Mo Monsalve and Bernard Brown) were not married or sharing a residence at the time, so LE had to execute due process and acquiesce to the Fourth Amendment prohibiting unreasonable search and seizure. With Laci Peterson (sorry I keep rehashing this case, but it is SO similar in my mind), the authorities could easily obtain a search warrant, go into her/Scott's house and seize potential evidence. Yes, SC had a lot of time to cover his tracks. The one thing that he should have done and didn't do is insist that he never saw Charli that night. Like you said, idiot.
 
  • #964
Just to clarify, did he detail his own truck or the truck he technically didn't own, but was going to buy, and had borrowed from a friend? The latter being the one that was not impounded till several days later. And don't forget that cash advance he got for tires that he never bought $1500 if I remember correctly.

I could never keep SC's vehicles straight so I defer to anyone who has better knowledge. Peter Tosh should know. Paging PT...

His employer not only allegedly advanced him $1500, but allowed him to continue working at Mana Foods for quite some time when he was in and out of jail for various offenses. He must be a very open-minded individual. I wonder if any of his co-workers will testify at the trial.
 
  • #965
I'm not sure about the island, but here in the states the employer would have attorneys all over this advising to keep him employed to avoid a law suit for wrongful termination.
 
  • #966
I do HR and workplace compliance. You can terminate an employee for just cause. If he's involved in a high profile case and harming your company's brand by his presence (in person and online), you can let him go. An employer shouldn't be hostage to an employee.
 
  • #967
Agreed, employers should not be held hostage to an employee, however at the time he was not charged with any crime. Whether it was hurting the business would be up for debate.
You can always fire an employee, with or without just cause, but if that employee sues you, well, that's up for a judge to decide if any laws were broke.
Since I don't own Mana, I have no idea if there was a feeling of fear in the decision to keep him employed or a lack of knowledge of what was really going on or just plain shrugging of shoulders.
 
  • #968
HGO: I'm not sure why they let him go but there was talk of boycotting Mana market because of him. Kim made a public plea to support our small businesses.

I need to catch up on Pua and Kapua's posts, they brought up some good dialogue.
 
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  • #970
The police definitely searched all around the area her clothes were found (at dusk), the next morning, the 14th. There is a Youtube video of Brooke and Charli's father being interviewed that morning. Brooke says all the searchers (volunteer) have been pulled out of that area, because they want trained LE's to find any additional evidence.

As to what was announced on that day as finds, it was shoes and other valuables of Charli. As we later heard, the police sent the bone, tooth, blood off to the lab, and did not want to announce the finds -- for obvious reasons of not putting the family and friends and public in despair when it might not be Charli. When the forensics came back, they announced shortly after, but like I said above, an HNN reporter scooped it and the info was considered dubious for a few days. The official release came 26 days after she disappeared.

I believe it was at that time that people became openly hostile to Steven, and yes there was outrage that he was still working at Mana.

Thanks Kapua and Nikki for explaining those legal points.
I'm thinking now that LE did search Steven's residence. Let me see if I can find that.
 
  • #971
OK, so Steven's residence was searched on Feb. 27, 2 1/2 weeks after Charli disappeared. We get that info in the burglary articles, two of which I linked below with quotes extracted.

The search of his residence was "unrelated" to the burglary, and the police search on Feb. 24 (or 25th) of the Eono Place house in Haiku that he burglarized was also unrelated to the burglary. The burglary victim told them to look at Capobianco for the burglary while the officers were "conducting a follow-up" on an unrelated case at her house.

Was the unrelated case that of Charli? How many other unrelated cases could there be? If the follow-up related to Charli, would it not be the perfect time for the girl to convey her suspicions that Steven broke into her house the prior September?

http://mauinow.com/2014/04/14/steven-capobianco-arrested-in-burglary-case/

At a later date, the complainant later learned some of her jewelry had also been taken during the burglary, according to police reports.
Police say the complainant informed a detective of the missing items on Feb. 24, 2014, while police were conducting a follow-up on an unrelated investigation.

Police recovered a computer and jewelry from Capobianco’s residence while conducting an unrelated search of the location on Feb. 27, 2014, according to a report released today.
Police say the complainant was later able to identify some of the jewelry as belonging to her, but the computer belonged to Capobianco.
Capobianco was placed under arrest at 11:26 a.m. on Monday, April 14, 2014 for first-degree burglary

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25246180/maui-police-arrest-ex-boyfriend-of-charli-scott

Between 09/18/13 at about 4:00 p.m., and 09/19/13 at about 11:00 a.m., an unknown person(s) unlawfully entered a residence on Eono Place in Haiku, rummaged through the unit, then removed a "Dell" laptop computer, valued at $200.00, and a 20" "iMac" laptop computer, valued at $1,400.00 from within. Before leaving the premises, the unknown person(s) also deflated the tires to one vehicle and slashed the tires of another vehicle, causing an estimated $800.00 in damages.

On 02/25/2014, while conducting a follow-up on an unrelated investigation, the complainant informed a detective of her missing computers and jewelry and that she suspected Capobianco.

On 02/27/2014, during an unrelated search of Capobianco's residence, detectives recovered a computer and jewelry possibly belonging to the complainant in this burglary.

Now if you look at this Scott case article, it mentions her grill had been found "late last week." It and other Forerunner parts were found at a house in Haiku. Hmm. Well, the police conducted that follow-up about a week prior to this article, and given the slop in dates from the media ...

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24885045/significant-developments-in-charli-scott-case

Police sources also revealed, the grill from Charli's SUV had been found. It was a recognizable part of the vehicle because of the skull ornament on it. When the missing 27-year old's SUV was found, it had been stripped, turned over, and burned. But the grill was not in the surf area known as 'Jaws'.
The grill and possibly other part of the SUV were found late last week in a home in Haiku but we're told the people in the home are not 'suspects' in this case.
Police sources also revealed, the grill from Charli's SUV had been found. It was a recognizable part of the vehicle because of the skull ornament on it. When the missing 27-year old's SUV was found, it had been stripped, turned over, and burned. But the grill was not in the surf area known as 'Jaws'.
The grill and possibly other part of the SUV were found late last week in a home in Haiku but we're told the people in the home are not 'suspects' in this case.

This is spec and not verified, but I think that the "unrelated investigation" that brought officers to the Haiku home Steven burglarized had to do with the skull grill and parts. That either they were located at that house or the occupants had information leading to some other nearby house (less likely).

And after the grill was recovered, police searched Steven's house, and it is possible they got a warrant related to the finding of the grill, maybe some info that came with it.

They didn't find Charli and Joshua, but he still had jewelry in his possession from this girl, someone he had dated briefly and felt betrayed by according to his Facebook, angry enough to go and slash tires at her house. There's some of his violent angry side exposed.



 
  • #972
Is anyone on here an attorney? A criminal attorney? A civil attorney? Any type of attorney?
 
  • #973
Not I. I took a limited program of law classes and am a certified paralegal, that is all. I know how to do legal research, have read many cases, understand the basics of civil procedure, criminal not so much but am trying to learn. I enjoy the law and considered becoming an attorney, but the things they have to do for a living I didn't like.
Why do you ask?
 
  • #974
This is a tangent but relates back to our question of whether SC was fine with getting caught so long as he was recognized as having the power.

While going back over articles from the first week, I noticed that SC released a statement to our Fox affiliate KHON (and possibly other stations) on Friday the 14th that was along the lines of what he should have done in his interview.

http://khon2.com/2014/02/14/new-evidence-found-in-missing-maui-woman-search/
Capobianco told KHON2 on Friday night: “I want her and my child to come home safely.”

Saying his concern was with the safety of Charli and "my" child, instead of calling Joshua "it" as he did in his first interview, and speaking of them as if he believes them to be alive. He was showing concern for how he was publicly perceived at that time. No idea what was in the guy's head, just noting he didn't start out with a reckless I'll show you the monster attitude. That came with time.

This was put out the day after his infamous "speaks out" interview, and the day after her clothes were found. He would have had time to see a lot of comments picking up on his use of the pronoun "it" and the past tense references to Charli. This showed up immediately in the comments about his interview. I see this release as an attempt to correct those big mistakes. Didn't work of course.
 
  • #975
I saw the "my child" quote the other day and thought the same thing. Was he cleaning up his act? It was the first time I'd read about him speaking so fondly of Charli and Joshua. 2 years later no less. Weird.
 
  • #976
I saw the "my child" quote the other day and thought the same thing. Was he cleaning up his act? It was the first time I'd read about him speaking so fondly of Charli and Joshua. 2 years later no less. Weird.
It's a pretty sad commentary on a father to be that there's exactly one quote byte where he sounds like an actual worried and caring human being, and that quote is pretty darned short compared to what most guys would have to say in that situation. For example, put his words next to her grieving family, and even the best quote is pathetic.
 
  • #977
Yes, so even though his statement fails dismally to convince anyone that he really cares about Charli and his unborn child, I think it shows that he cares what happens to himself, and does not want to go down for his crime. I think he is such a narcissist that he was not able to see how cold and self-centered his interview sounded until maybe he read the feedback on line, and went "oh ***** ... everyone thinks I committed murder (and I'm an assh*le), and this is not good."
 
  • #978
I went back over his Lincoln interview and while the occassional past tense use doesn't alarm me, his aversion to claiming Joshua is obvious. Never once did me or my husband refer to our unborn children as "it". Steven seemed callous in that interview I think to keep the girlfriend around. He didn't want to appear too interested. Like Pua said, he had a reputation to uphold.
 
  • #979
Interesting, Nikki. The person I am can't imagine letting myself sound more guilty of murdering my pregnant girlfriend in order to not worry a new girlfriend. But if we go with the theory that the murder was prompted (in part?) because he wanted to clear the decks for this romance, then I guess that would have been a huge priority. It's so hard to be in his place mentally, as if any young woman would be excited to join her life with a guy whose ex and unborn baby have mysteriously disappeared.

About that present tense:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...yfriend-of-missing-pregnant-maui-woman-speaks

I looked at it again. Parts of the interview are about what happened earlier in the week or when they lived together, and so forth. Those parts belong in the past tense. Statements that cover who Charli is as a person, should be in present tense if she is alive. Loved ones of missing persons are extremely sensitive to avoiding past tense that would essentially admit the loved one is likely to be deceased, even years later. Here it has only been four days, and her clothes were not yet found, only her torched car. Charli's family certainly kept it all in present tense until the MPD declared the case a homicide.

Steven: "So I knew Charli because she was my ex-girlfriend from three or four years ago {asks someone, "Does that sound right?"} Five years ago, it was five years ago and we have kept in touch this entire time. We were still friends. We still knew each other." (Are they no longer friends? Do they not still know each other?)

She was a very caring person and she loved her dogs. (What, she no longer is caring and does not love her dogs any more? No other reason possible other than she is not alive.)

But, I mean, she had kind of a mouth on her ... (What has changed? Has she changed how she talks, or does she no longer have a mouth on her?)

For a native English speaker, the brain automatically selects tense in most cases where a simple past or present will do. One can theorize that Steven's brain was so aware of her death that it by default tripped him up here on these more casual statements. Of course if he is asked about his hopes for her to be alive, he will think that through and pretend he has hope.

It's hard to see what he hopes to accomplish with this interview, but it might be something like this:
Charli left my presence alive, but she was driving alone at night on a lonely road, so SOMETHING or SOMEONE other than myself happened to her.

No, she did not run away to start a new life, because she left her dogs untended, and she would not. He wants the door on Charli's existence to be closed, not open-ended. Probably so that he can "go on" with his life and "plans." He wants to be clear of her family. He really singles them out in this interview as a problem for him and even for the old relationship with Charli. As long as Charli is "missing," he and the family are linked together as "people who want Charli and Joshua to be found and should be trying to find her."

I think that is a possible reason why those clothes were findable, not hidden. I don't think he wanted people to know he did it. I think he wanted Charli and Joshua to be pronounced dead, stupidly thinking that would be some sort of closure to the matter. I think he likely believed that he could not be convicted without a body found.
 
  • #980
Wow Pua - you just blew my mind. Not with any new infomation but with the idea that he wanted there to be no question that Charli and Joshua were dead. The jawbone though?

Where are their bodies????????????
 
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