When people think of Hawaii, they may not think of cattle ranches, cowboys, rodeos, feed stores etc. However those things are all here on the Big Island so that type of attire wouldn't be out of place here.
HI HI - Jeffrey Meek, 43, Keaau, 8 November 2014
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When people think of Hawaii, they may not think of cattle ranches, cowboys, rodeos, feed stores etc. However those things are all here on the Big Island so that type of attire wouldn't be out of place here.
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Thanks for replying to my questions.
Personally, I am not going to blame anyone at the moment
I am still trying to figure out where he is/was/went.
A couple of thoughts come to mind
He would not be able to protect himself if he was blindsided
There is always the possibility of an accident, just the placement of the boots is unusual
And of course, it goes back to the texting
It appears we are only seeing Jeff's text, no replies
If he called his wife Mary Lou, I find it unusual he would reply to something using just Mary
There is no timeline. We have no idea what was going on with him in the days before his disappearance (if anything )
Could this be business related?
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Random? Or someone he knows?
Or simply an accident?
Did he want to go away from it all?
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From your description of his personality, it seems the list could be long
Sounds like he had a short fuse, and as you said, trouble found him even if he didn't look for it
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And then there is this..
Search teams, including fellow members of the Mormon church, found his boots Tuesday.
"The boots weren't here on Saturday, and then all of a sudden Tuesday they showed back up? That's mysterious," friend Jimmy Hughes-Smith told the television station.
http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/b2c20a84a32c488c8b759b8b9cdd9870/HI--Missing-Plumber/
Search teams, including fellow members of the Mormon church, found his boots Tuesday.
"The boots weren't here on Saturday, and then all of a sudden Tuesday they showed back up? That's mysterious," friend Jimmy Hughes-Smith told the television station.
http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/b2c20a84a32c488c8b759b8b9cdd9870/HI--Missing-Plumber/
Jeff did call her Marylou. But it was more of a "cute" thing.
"Come on Marylou .. Let's go"
But even he called here Mary.
I think if typing. He would type that.(Mary )
What I meant to write was
He provoked that guy for three days.
The guy was the size of a small bear.
Much bigger than Jeff or I. Like most water hassles the guy dropped in on Jeff.
I told him to let it go but not Jeff he kept at it.
Jeff was scrappy and wouldn't put up with being wronged.
I had heard he returned to the church. I had hoped he had mellowed with age.
The cowboy thing isn't that strange. Jeff liked to be remembered. That would delegate him from the beach crowd. I'm not at all surprised by that. I think though Jeff would still be comfortable in the water.
I highly doubt he drowned.
We surfed a LOT together. He was capable and not afraid.
I too wonder about his "business dealings".
He would have had to be surprised. The Jeff I knew would not go down easy.
He is in the top 5 of people I have met that will go primal.
That's what I liked about him. He was a guy that would help those around him. He was kind and a good friend. But knew how to take care of himself. Being an excop he also knew " the other element " in society.
He knew there were people who would hurt you and go have a good breakfast.
All this makes wonder about the people around him.
Those he trusted.
I too am pointing the finger at no one.
Maybe Jeff cracked and walked away.
How would he get off the island. ??
Where would he go??
Why?
How was his life with Mary ?
His business partner. How was it split up??
Was the money invested his. ?? Jeff was doing the work ??
Is it all his now ??
Why has Mary said nothing ??
She was shy. But I would think she would at least put out a call to him to come home.
That to me seems strange.
But we all deal with things differently.
I would want my partner to hear me.
Now I must say I think Jeff isn't with us anymore.
I would like to know more about his last week.
How was he??
What job was he on?
Who last saw him?
It's all very frustrating.
Jeff is a unique guy. The world is a worst place without him.
Rubio
"Come on Marylou .. Let's go"
But even he called here Mary.
I think if typing. He would type that.(Mary )
What I meant to write was
He provoked that guy for three days.
The guy was the size of a small bear.
Much bigger than Jeff or I. Like most water hassles the guy dropped in on Jeff.
I told him to let it go but not Jeff he kept at it.
Jeff was scrappy and wouldn't put up with being wronged.
I had heard he returned to the church. I had hoped he had mellowed with age.
The cowboy thing isn't that strange. Jeff liked to be remembered. That would delegate him from the beach crowd. I'm not at all surprised by that. I think though Jeff would still be comfortable in the water.
I highly doubt he drowned.
We surfed a LOT together. He was capable and not afraid.
I too wonder about his "business dealings".
He would have had to be surprised. The Jeff I knew would not go down easy.
He is in the top 5 of people I have met that will go primal.
That's what I liked about him. He was a guy that would help those around him. He was kind and a good friend. But knew how to take care of himself. Being an excop he also knew " the other element " in society.
He knew there were people who would hurt you and go have a good breakfast.
All this makes wonder about the people around him.
Those he trusted.
I too am pointing the finger at no one.
Maybe Jeff cracked and walked away.
How would he get off the island. ??
Where would he go??
Why?
How was his life with Mary ?
His business partner. How was it split up??
Was the money invested his. ?? Jeff was doing the work ??
Is it all his now ??
Why has Mary said nothing ??
She was shy. But I would think she would at least put out a call to him to come home.
That to me seems strange.
But we all deal with things differently.
I would want my partner to hear me.
Now I must say I think Jeff isn't with us anymore.
I would like to know more about his last week.
How was he??
What job was he on?
Who last saw him?
It's all very frustrating.
Jeff is a unique guy. The world is a worst place without him.
Rubio
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If you don't mind my saying so... he seems like a contradiction
Determined, stubborn, "primal", but a very good friend
Those that knew him and have posted here seem to care deeply.
Kind to a fault. Scrappy.
Based on what I am reading, it seems he would go "off" on some one if he thought he was wronged
Sounds to me like a serious anger issue
Determined, stubborn, "primal", but a very good friend
Those that knew him and have posted here seem to care deeply.
Kind to a fault. Scrappy.
Based on what I am reading, it seems he would go "off" on some one if he thought he was wronged
Sounds to me like a serious anger issue
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Really great questions/insights on the thread. I appreciate the input from locals and those who personally know Jeff too. So helpful! I really feel for those who know Jeff. I hope more useful info comes to light soon.
I'm not trying to be funny here, but this is a case that reminds me of something you'd see on a show like "Dateline Mysteries"...and I say that because it has elements that seem so random. I'm not sure how to adequately explain it, but it's almost like there is too much information, but yet, the "information" feels so fake that it's hard to know if you have any solid info at all. I wish, for the sake of Jeff's loved ones and family, we could fast-forward to the right conclusion, just like on a real-life mystery show. Easier said than done.
It really could be anything, but because of the staged element that I'm sensing in this (apparently like many), I'm leaning toward some financial/other "personal gain" motive. The info on Jeff having a short fuse shows an aspect to him that could be relevant, but I see that being more relevant in context with someone having something to gain, if he's not around. But anything is possible.
It's hard for me to ignore completely that Jeff could have taken off on purpose, but several posters (including those who know him) put forth valid reasons why that did not seem likely to them, and I find the reasoning pretty convincing -- it's not my first thought either. I think the only reason I am even considering it is because sometimes when something is so odd/too much staging, someone was hiding things from others. It's just impossible to read someone's mind, so I guess it's possible...but with the things (positive) he had going in his life and (I would imagine) his intense feelings for loved ones, he does not appear to be the type to just take off. That said, I kind of hope he did take off on his own volition and can be found -- hoping this ends well.
***My post was "stuck" and didn't immediately go through with my connection, so I just now saw the two posts above me. Dushi's statement is really important in this, IMO -- that Jeff seems like a "contradiction." He does to me too...and the problem with that (in figuring out what is going on here) is that we can say it "doesn't seem like he'd walk away," but he may surprise us on that -- just like he may surprise people, at times, in his interactions.
I'm not trying to be funny here, but this is a case that reminds me of something you'd see on a show like "Dateline Mysteries"...and I say that because it has elements that seem so random. I'm not sure how to adequately explain it, but it's almost like there is too much information, but yet, the "information" feels so fake that it's hard to know if you have any solid info at all. I wish, for the sake of Jeff's loved ones and family, we could fast-forward to the right conclusion, just like on a real-life mystery show. Easier said than done.
It really could be anything, but because of the staged element that I'm sensing in this (apparently like many), I'm leaning toward some financial/other "personal gain" motive. The info on Jeff having a short fuse shows an aspect to him that could be relevant, but I see that being more relevant in context with someone having something to gain, if he's not around. But anything is possible.
It's hard for me to ignore completely that Jeff could have taken off on purpose, but several posters (including those who know him) put forth valid reasons why that did not seem likely to them, and I find the reasoning pretty convincing -- it's not my first thought either. I think the only reason I am even considering it is because sometimes when something is so odd/too much staging, someone was hiding things from others. It's just impossible to read someone's mind, so I guess it's possible...but with the things (positive) he had going in his life and (I would imagine) his intense feelings for loved ones, he does not appear to be the type to just take off. That said, I kind of hope he did take off on his own volition and can be found -- hoping this ends well.
***My post was "stuck" and didn't immediately go through with my connection, so I just now saw the two posts above me. Dushi's statement is really important in this, IMO -- that Jeff seems like a "contradiction." He does to me too...and the problem with that (in figuring out what is going on here) is that we can say it "doesn't seem like he'd walk away," but he may surprise us on that -- just like he may surprise people, at times, in his interactions.
Jeff was a contradiction. I don't think his issues were serious. But I'm trying to paint a picture of who he was. He could be all those things. He just up and left California. It was only enough time to sell his stuff and he was gone. Buy like I said. He has kids and I figured he had roots now.
But it wouldn't shock me.
Rubio
But it wouldn't shock me.
Rubio
Can you tell me how long he was a cop in LA?
I know a lot of cops and they tend to get jaded after a while. Which I wouldn't expect anything different because of what they see on a daily basis. That to me would explain his tendency to go off.
I also know that cops tend to have very few friends outside of the job that know them well, but those are the ones they trust their life with. The rest of their friends are just acquaintances who don't know they're just acquaintances. It sounds like you guys were the friends and possibly the ones (if any) were the friends who didn't know they were just acquaintances?
I know a lot of cops and they tend to get jaded after a while. Which I wouldn't expect anything different because of what they see on a daily basis. That to me would explain his tendency to go off.
I also know that cops tend to have very few friends outside of the job that know them well, but those are the ones they trust their life with. The rest of their friends are just acquaintances who don't know they're just acquaintances. It sounds like you guys were the friends and possibly the ones (if any) were the friends who didn't know they were just acquaintances?
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Thanks for your input, Rubio. By the way, in your (above) post, I like all the questions you asked!
I understand the stubborn side that's been explained about Jeff, but I wanted to ask you if you see him as someone who -- despite how he may get really intense/be a "black-and-white thinker" at times -- do you think he would he be emotionally capable (will explain what I mean by that in a minute) of disappearing on loved ones? I'm not judging here, just trying to understand. A lot of people may have had moments in their lives when they just want to "run away from it all," but I think even under the worst of circumstances, there are people who have a fierce loyalty or conscientiousness (for lack of better word) that would never allow them to leave loved ones...or despite his love for them, do you think some other aspect may alter his perspective on that? And forgive me if you answered this (can't see the whole thread/tech problems), but do you know if Jeff ever struggled with depression?
Thanks. Feel badly for you. I'm sorry you're going through this with your friend.
ok. We are all trying to tip toe around the elephant in the room. I feel like this is not getting things solved because its not based on fact. Remember when I say this that none of this makes Jeff a bad person. He had anger issues. He absoultely could walk away from his family. He would never be able to walk away and act dead even if he wanted to. He needs is mom's backing alot and how can hyou start over once you've upset her needlessly? Jeff was charasmatic. If you didn't live with him on an everyday basis, you mostly picked up on the good aspects to Jeff. I really don't want to say my connection to Jeff, just suffice it to say at one time we were close. Jeff fought like a pit bull. He never quit a fight. someone snuck up on him or he trusted them or trusted the person who set up the meeting. Jeff was a cop about 5 yrs or so. He went to two acadamies as was a really good cop. He served in the south central L.A. area. Think hot zone for rodney king riots. someone killed him. I think over business.
No I don't know if he struggled with depression. I never saw it or heard of it.
He was a Metro Police Officer. When they were disbanded he didn't transfer.
It was for about six years I believe. But I talked to Jeff about it. He was jaded but knew the way the world and people could be. Jeff knew and understood the " criminal element".
Could he walk away. He did from his life here and quickly.
But he kept Mary with him. He loved her. After having children with her I say the Jeff I knew would never just walk away. He just wasn't like that. He would want to protect them.
I think he wouldn't leave his family.
That makes this tough.
It doesn't add up.
My mother struggles with depression. Jeff watched her go through it with me. He was kind and understanding and helped me.
If he has those tendencies I would have seen them.
But he was at the age where people crack.
They question the life they live. Maybe he there. A good friend talked to him on Facebook and said his it's were a bit "dark" in the days before this happened. but they turned normal a few days before he was gone.
That's why who saw him is important.
How was he??
To me it doesn't make much sense.
That's why I suspect the worst.
It's all out of character.
I'm asking more questions than I answer.
For all he was I loved him.
We were different yet the same in many ways.
He had all these wild surf moves had had names for ( while posing on the nose)
My favorite was. "The hairdresser "
He held a mirror ( his hand )
While he smoothed the little hair he had.
It was classic.
Throwing a cutback while making a face at me with. " meat is murder "
Stayed huge on the bottom of his board.
Mary was a vegetarian. He joined her in that and went "all in."
He loved her.
It's tough.
Rubio
He was a Metro Police Officer. When they were disbanded he didn't transfer.
It was for about six years I believe. But I talked to Jeff about it. He was jaded but knew the way the world and people could be. Jeff knew and understood the " criminal element".
Could he walk away. He did from his life here and quickly.
But he kept Mary with him. He loved her. After having children with her I say the Jeff I knew would never just walk away. He just wasn't like that. He would want to protect them.
I think he wouldn't leave his family.
That makes this tough.
It doesn't add up.
My mother struggles with depression. Jeff watched her go through it with me. He was kind and understanding and helped me.
If he has those tendencies I would have seen them.
But he was at the age where people crack.
They question the life they live. Maybe he there. A good friend talked to him on Facebook and said his it's were a bit "dark" in the days before this happened. but they turned normal a few days before he was gone.
That's why who saw him is important.
How was he??
To me it doesn't make much sense.
That's why I suspect the worst.
It's all out of character.
I'm asking more questions than I answer.
For all he was I loved him.
We were different yet the same in many ways.
He had all these wild surf moves had had names for ( while posing on the nose)
My favorite was. "The hairdresser "
He held a mirror ( his hand )
While he smoothed the little hair he had.
It was classic.
Throwing a cutback while making a face at me with. " meat is murder "
Stayed huge on the bottom of his board.
Mary was a vegetarian. He joined her in that and went "all in."
He loved her.
It's tough.
Rubio
Lee is right. Tough to take Jeff out. He could be a tiger.
He walked away from us and started over.
That said he could do it again. But the kids. That's the tough one. Jeff was determined when he set his mind to it.
I think he would have had to be surprised. Someone took him out.
After seeing him in action. I'm sure he left bite marks or they shot him straight up.
I would look into his business "partner. "
Rubio
He walked away from us and started over.
That said he could do it again. But the kids. That's the tough one. Jeff was determined when he set his mind to it.
I think he would have had to be surprised. Someone took him out.
After seeing him in action. I'm sure he left bite marks or they shot him straight up.
I would look into his business "partner. "
Rubio
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You all may be asking questions, but you are helping us to know him just a little
Its appreciated
It must be hard for you to hear us, total strangers, talk about your friend
You never know what WSer's can come up with.
It has shocked me at times
And its all for good, just trying to solve a puzzling situation
Hearts are in the right place
Its appreciated
It must be hard for you to hear us, total strangers, talk about your friend
You never know what WSer's can come up with.
It has shocked me at times
And its all for good, just trying to solve a puzzling situation
Hearts are in the right place
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Are the boots aspect bothering you as much as they bother me? It sounds like friends at the scene Saturday are absolutely sure the boots weren't there. So that really, for me, points away from him taking off. Who would take off and then come back to that same spot, perhaps days later, to place their boots at the scene? That's just absurd.
So who would/could get away with going in there, undetected, and strategically place them? And how odd, to wedge in one boot like that. For me, that's not a *good job* at all, in terms of making a convincing scene that someone went into the water, if that was what it was supposed to look like. I have a hard time understanding the purpose of the boots being put into the scene later, if that's the case.
Just so very odd...
Lee & Rubio, thank you so much for all of that.
Sounds like you both were very close to him. I'm so sorry you are here talking with us but I also think you two are probably two of the best to have here talking with us.
So, he was with Mary before Hawaii, did you know her as well as you knew Jeff?
O/T, If you guys are still in the LA area, take care of yourselves. I'm guessing last night's developments have upset a lot of people.
Sounds like you both were very close to him. I'm so sorry you are here talking with us but I also think you two are probably two of the best to have here talking with us.
So, he was with Mary before Hawaii, did you know her as well as you knew Jeff?
O/T, If you guys are still in the LA area, take care of yourselves. I'm guessing last night's developments have upset a lot of people.
Thank you for all your insight. From what you and Rubio have written about Jeff from the past, I don't think much has changed over the years from talking to friends here. I think his personality was one and the same. He just lived in a different state. That being said, Hawaii is a very different state from California. And there is one thing that really stuck out to me when speaking to his friend. While he didn't give details, and he too seemed to really struggle wanting to tell me more, but feeling he had to keep quiet for some reason. I want to say this as eloquently as possible but I am trying to figure out how to say it in a way that doesn't offend anyone and I can't quote him as I don't have the exact words still in my memory. But, this was the meaning. Jeff could get along great with the locals and often it was like he was a local himself. BUT...in the blink of an eye he could bring this whole other mentality which was being the biggest "haole" with an outsider attitude. Now, was this what got him into trouble? I don't know. It could have been that and $$. I think $$ plays a part in almost everything.
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Thank you Rubio and Lee for sharing Jeff with us. It does help give us a picture of possibilities with him.
So he left everything behind once. But did he let his mother know when he up and left CA? That's key to how he'd do it if he was going to do it again. It doesn't sound like he's leave without clueing in his Mom so I doubt he took off again.
The boots sound staged as hell and for sure planted. IMO Maybe the reason they appeared days later was an afterthought stage by the perp. Maybe the perp didn't know that area was already searched.
I'm sorry to say this but I think we are looking at a recovery.
Jeff went out to clear his property, but got stuck in the mud. So does that mean he didn't do any work there that day? Got stuck, lost his temper and said "to hell with it?"
This reeks of foul play. Jeff sounds like he could handle himself. Took no prisoners.
Someone had it out for him. Did someone owe him a lot of money? Did he learn something about someone that could have sent someone to prison? As an ex-cop, I doubt he'd turn the other way to a big crime.
Thanks for being honest with us.
This is all thinking out loud and speculation. JMO
So he left everything behind once. But did he let his mother know when he up and left CA? That's key to how he'd do it if he was going to do it again. It doesn't sound like he's leave without clueing in his Mom so I doubt he took off again.
The boots sound staged as hell and for sure planted. IMO Maybe the reason they appeared days later was an afterthought stage by the perp. Maybe the perp didn't know that area was already searched.
I'm sorry to say this but I think we are looking at a recovery.
Jeff went out to clear his property, but got stuck in the mud. So does that mean he didn't do any work there that day? Got stuck, lost his temper and said "to hell with it?"
This reeks of foul play. Jeff sounds like he could handle himself. Took no prisoners.
Someone had it out for him. Did someone owe him a lot of money? Did he learn something about someone that could have sent someone to prison? As an ex-cop, I doubt he'd turn the other way to a big crime.
Thanks for being honest with us.
This is all thinking out loud and speculation. JMO
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