Hiding a body

[Vahlaria]

I honestly can not imagine a situation in which I would or could kill someone, and then try to get away with it; I'd just call the police.

However, if I were in that position, and really wanted to ensure I would get away with it? I would look for the closest "new property" that was being built, preferably one in which the trees and brush had to be removed, and hide it there. With all the heavy equipment and trucks going by, the ground would get compacted quickly, no one would think to look there, and soon enough, there would be a brand spanking new building on top of it.

 

[Short_Stuff]

I believe IF shes not in the yard then Caylee is in that landfill or in water.
(These park theories LE has are wrong. Too many people walk thru parks and Casey may have thought she could be found easily there).
And I still say for the 100th time they should dig up their whole yard again.
I just have this feeling she will never be found. I hope I am wrong and they find her. But I thought the same thing in the Natalie Holloway case and I was right, they never found her :-(

 

[oceanblueeyes]

you are right about that because there would be no way I could put someone in a lake, ocean, anything like that. It would have to be someone that I really hated.

LOL, I have never hated that much in my life.....not even my ex husband who I don't even dislike anymore.

The one and only reason I may could take another person's life is if they were trying to do bodily harm to me or my family. Then I would fight to my death.

imo

 

[Blink34]

I have said from day one and i still believe that sweet baby peanut is in the OC Landfill on Young Pine Road, via a dumpster in the back of a Hotel in Belle Isle.

 

[Smugshots]

Somebody said to ask this: If she was put in a duffle bag could they use a metal detector to find the zipper?

Good question, although it could have a plastic zipper. I think a lot of bags these days do.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree. I think she hid the body in the A's yard, until she could find a more distant and obscure place.

I don't think any of us will be too successful at following her things, because we are all normally emotionally developed people.

You can't out think a sociopath.

How true. She may have felt she HAD to move the body. I don't see her digging a deep hole, it is way too much effort and time consuming for Casey imo. By burying her in a shallow grave the smell may have become noticeable slightly and she knew she had to move it as it would get stronger and stronger if she didn't.

No way Casey was using that shovel to get rid of the Bamboo, imo.

imoo

 

[not_my_kids]

Finally semester 2 Profiling comes in handy.
People who kill someone that they love or are attached to usually will show some sign of affection to the corpse. Some parents bury them with a favorite toy or wrap them in a favorite blanket. They usually try to seal the body inside something so that the animals will not get to the body. They usually pick a place that the child was at least passingly familiar with, like near a park or lake or even near the house where they lived. They may even bathe, redress or the style the hair before the murder or body dump. Death is usually as easy as they can make it, drowning, suffocation or drug overdose (usually sleeping pills.)
However parents who didn't care about their kids in the first place aren't nearly as kind. They may bury the body, but it will be in a way and an area where they hope the animals will get to it. Or they will weight it down and toss it in the water. They will have no desire to visit the body again, so the placement doesn't matter. there will usually be no special items with the body. Parents who don't care shoot, stab, strangle or beat their kids to death.
I know this will be brutal to read, but this is what we're dealing with. reality bites.

 

[creed16]

Well, we own a cemetery so I would have no problem hiding a body But, I love my family and if I accidently killed one of them I would not try and hide it. I would owe them at least that much.
With that being said, I do not believe KC buried her. Maybe she had help, but her herself could not have buried her. I have seen my own husband struggle for a hour to dig a small grave by hand-there is no way KC would have been able to do that. So she either had help, or just tossed her either in a dumpster or along side of the road somewhere of a beaten path.

JMO

 

[tiredofthis]

Well, we own a cemetery so I would have no problem hiding a body But, I love my family and if I accidently killed one of them I would not try and hide it. I would owe them at least that much.
With that being said, I do not believe KC buried her. Maybe she had help, but her herself could not have buried her. I have seen my own husband struggle for a hour to dig a small grave by hand-there is no way KC would have been able to do that. So she either had help, or just tossed her either in a dumpster or along side of the road somewhere of a beaten path.

JMO

The soil in my back yard is as hard as a rock, so I wonder how the ground was in the Anthony's back yard in the middle of June. I know I don't live anywhere near Florida, but I was just wondering if she would have been able to dig a grave.

 

[JiannaBean]

Okay I thought I should drop my two cents on my theory…

With all of the information that has been released and by my judgements…

I do think that KC placed Caylee in the trunk… used the Chloroform on her and little did KC know that it only works for a short period of time…

After Caylee regain conscience she awoke and had a panic attack…

Caylee was probably already in panties… pee'ed and poopped out of being there for a while…

I do think its possible that maybe Caylee was struggling in that trunk and possibly had a panic attack banged her head…

If and when KC remember about her daughter in the trunk and found her dead…she panicked at first thought decided to bury her in her parents yard to blame the grandparents but than realized it wouldn't work and that is when she moved her

 

[eclipse827]

Research indicates that there are distinctive tendencies for parents who kill their children and, in particular, differences for mothers versus fathers. I was able to grab these quick stats--source links are provided if anyone wants to read further.

More stable women find ways to end their isolation that doesn't involve killing their young. But these infant killers tend to fit into the borderline psychological category. They haven't received enough love during their childhoods and are desperate to latch on to other people - or create babies - for whom they declare undying love. Unfortunately their early experiences haven't involved long-term affection so that love can quickly transmogrify into an equally intense hate.

Borderline individuals tend to overdramatise situations and act impulsively. They can superficially look like loving mothers but they save most of their true feelings for themselves. The mother sees the child as a commodity, like a doll that she can dress up for society to admire. But like a doll that is tired of, the baby is ultimately expendable especially if a new boyfriend, new career or potential new lifestyle is the reward.

http://www.shotsmag.co.uk/mothers%20who%20kill/Mothers%20Who%20Kill.htm

Somehow, women—who commit less than 13 percent of all violent crimes in the United States—commit about 50 percent of all parental murders.

Children under the age of 5 in the United States are more likely to be killed by their parents than anyone else. Contrary to popular mythology, they are rarely killed by a sex-crazed stranger. FBI crime statistics show that in 1999 parents were responsible for 57 percent of these murders, with family friends and acquaintances accounting for another 30 percent and other family members accounting for 8 percent. Crime statistics further reveal that of the children under 5 killed from 1976 to 1999, 30 percent were murdered by their mothers while 31 percent were killed by their fathers. And while the strangers, acquaintances, and other family members who kill children skew heavily toward males (as does the entire class of murderers), children are as likely to be murdered by their fathers as by their mothers.

Researchers, building on the work of Phillip Resnick, have shown that women tend to kill their own offspring for one of several reasons: because the child is unwanted; out of mercy; as a result of some mental illness in the mother; in retaliation against a spouse; as a result of abuse. Frequent themes are that they themselves deserved to be punished, that killing the children would be an altruistic or loving act, or that children need to be "erased" in order to save or preserve a relationship.

Children were drowned and shaken, beaten, poisoned, stabbed, and suffocated. These methods betray a certain "craziness" in both genders—they betray an intense passion and a lack of planning.

And mothers frequently dispose of the corpses in what researchers call a "womblike" fashion. Bodies are swaddled, submerged in water, or wrapped in plastic. Moreover, the NCMEC study showed that while the victims of maternal killings are almost always found either in or close to the home, fathers will, on average, dispose of the bodies hundreds of miles away. All these behaviors suggest that women associate these murders with themselves, their homes, and their bodies.

http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

 

[LoriKeet]

I think it is highly probable that she or George buried Caylee in a freshly dug cemetery plot (ie: Greenwood) after temporarily having placed her in the backyard and car trunk--perhaps next to or near Jose Ortiz's--Caylees assumed father as per Cindy)

Cadaver dogs would NEVER be able to locate an accurate scent there, and a freshly dug grave would be "soft" and easy enough to dig up--like 2-3 feet deep. A new grave would likely have flowers on top which would disguise the fact that it had been disturbed again (grass wouldn't have covered it) . The hole would not have to be that big either--Caylee was tiny.

JMHO!

 

[future criminologist]

and IMO, George & the gas cans aren't relevant, but that's only because I do believe the gas gauge was broken, although I would love to see a police affidavit that says they've checked that aspect of the story/car.

I was wondering the same thing myself - I hadn't seen it mentioned in those 400 pages that the car had been taken to a mechanic to verify that the gauge really was broken.

 

[s_finch]

If you loved her you would put her in an area where she loved going to... ex park. If you are more concerned with saving yourself you would not care and put her in a dumpster... that is the easiest. But she isn't going to put her in the dumpster next to the car.

I don't think she put her in the dumpster next to the car either, too obvious. I think parking by a dumpster was a way to disguise the smell of the car cause you know in the summer those dumpters can really stink.

 

[shadow of my mind]

I am not to sure about Casey burying her body in the back yard. I kinda got the impression that GA was a putter. The interview with GVS showed a pretty well cared for back yard. Walks were edged, grass looked healthy. I would have though that Casey would have been afraid that her father would notice if she had dug anything up. Then add the dogs. They would have been a sniffing that spot. It is one thing to dig up a spot large enough to put a three year old in but to make it neat enough that no one would notice is another thing.

I think she may have put her something, say a duffle bag and hid her. I had thought about her putting her inside the sandbox temporary. It had a lid and as long as Caylee wasn't home and all of the sand box toys where put away who would open the lid to the sandbox. I also though maybe she used the shovel to dig a hollow in the sand in the sandbox and then covered her incase someone lifted the lid they would not notice anything or smell anything in the short term. I just do not know how deep those things are if that would even be pratical. The dogs hit around the sandbox and the playhouse but nothing more has been said about. Maybe she put her in the playhouse for a short period of time. Again, if all of the toys had been put away who would bother to go in the playhouse if Caylee was not at home.
I still have to wonder about the timeline of the shed being broken into and the gas cans being in the back of Casey's car. [IF GA is telling the truth... I just do not see why he would have even mentioned finding the cans in the first place if it was not the truth. Don't bring something up if it going to draw unwanted attention to something] No smell reported and then the car being dumped by 7:00 AM on 6.27.

It would really help to know the exact date she borrowed the shovel. An hour is not much time to dig a hole, bury a body, and cover it up plus be neat about it. I would be thinking breaking into to something with it. Maybe she used it as a wedge to raise a widow to get into the house.

If I am not mistaken was there not something said by CA [again we have the truth problem] about hidding the keys to something. Just can't remember what that was all about.

Oh my this makes my head hurt. If and If and another If.

 

[Mohabi]

I've thought long and hard about this question and I'm sorry I can't be of any help. If I killed a loved one by accident, my first, second, third and last instinct would be to dial 911.

I can't imagine my killing a loved one on purpose, if I got THAT angry at someone that I would feel I'm losing control, I'd just walk away.

I got rid of both my husbands because they used me and drove me crazy, but I did it the LEGAL way and at some considerable expense.

So now let's pretend that I could actually kill with premeditation (and it would have to be a loved one that I don't love anymore, yes??):

- I'd throw them in a river full of pirañas (if I lived in a country that has such a river)

- I'd cut them up into tiny pieces and into the garbage disposer they go

- Hmmmmm I'd cut them up and cook them and feed them to my dogs?

I don't think I'll be sleeping very well tonight after that bit of imagery!

Honestly though, I can't think of ONE place that a body wouldn't be found either accidentally or because there is an active search for it.

 

[Shutterfly]

Remember, it's been reported that KC is a CSI fan. Statistically people who enjoy scripted, prime time "who dun it" drama also enjoy true crime shows as well. For this reason, in the end, I think KC would have been a little more carefull playing hide and seek with a body. And let's face it. If she didn't have trouble figuring out, and didn't have problems TRYING to figure out what to do with the child's body, then the child wouldn't likely have been in the trunk long enough to leave decomp evidence there, which in my estimate would take 4 or more days.
Because of her taste in programming, I'd say KC knows that water disposal and weighting down a body is highly risky. When decomp gasses form the body is likely to come back up, and even if you weight it down good the body could break down and pieces could come up. You also run the risk of drought or fisherman snagging it.
Burial in her own yard? Not a chance, but I think she debated it, briefly. Burial somewhere else? And wildlife or dogs could dig the body up. Development in the area could bring the remains up at some point. Cadaver dogs would likely find it. AND burial leaves evidence...disturbed earth..fresh dirt..a mound. That would alert potential searchers to the body's location as well.
Gas cans...could she have intended to burn the body? I think that would make sense since she TOOK THE CANS with her.. but smoke and fire attract attention and that was no good either.
I think she weighed ALL of the possibilities and there were potential "problems" with all of the options. What is the LEAST likely way, besides a vat of acid, that a body will be found? THE LANDFILL. That was her "last resort."
Landfill searches are expensive. Millions of tons of decomposing trash and dead animals are sent to the landfill every single day. Millions of tons of dirt are turned over that millons of tons of decomposing material every single day. It acts as compost and the amount of bacteria in that mess could probably strip a corpse in a matter of hours. I think she put the child in a dumpster, simply because she "ran out" of options that made it unlikely she'd get caught. She figured her best chance at getting away with it was the landfill. It would take nothing short of an act of God to find that poor child in the landfill. Now take into account the child has now been missing for almost a solid three months?

 

[TheLoneRanger]

given that everyone involved in her life was *moving* from place to place [including herself] & main areas we're dealing with are apt. complexes, people who are moving, etc... hmmmm.... a storage facility someone has access to?

 

[wallflower67]

I think it is highly probable that she or George buried Caylee in a freshly dug cemetery plot (ie: Greenwood) after temporarily having placed her in the backyard and car trunk--perhaps next to or near Jose Ortiz's--Caylees assumed father as per Cindy)

Cadaver dogs would NEVER be able to locate an accurate scent there, and a freshly dug grave would be "soft" and easy enough to dig up--like 2-3 feet deep. A new grave would likely have flowers on top which would disguise the fact that it had been disturbed again (grass wouldn't have covered it) . The hole would not have to be that big either--Caylee was tiny.

JMHO!

Dang! I'm not planning on hiding any bodies, but this is a darn good plot!

 

[wallflower67]

We had a case here where the parents murdered a 3yo boy and burried him in a developing neighborhood...next to a house where the area next the basement had not been backfilled yet. I guess they lucked out that the homebuilders didn't notice the bag.

They confessed as to where the body was. By that time the house was completed and people were living in it. The homeowners were so traumatized by finding out they had a murdered child next to their basement, that I think they asked to be released from the mortgage and free to move into another home. I don't know how that worked out.

The parents couldn't remember WHICH house they dumped their son next to, so several yards had to be dug up.