Hiker photographs bear just before fatal grizzly attack

[TrackerSam]

The bear killed this man is a national park where the animals are protected that is thier space.. A grizzly can smell a person from a mile away so he was aware .That's why you have a zoom on your camera ..The bear doesn't have the ability to go else where he can't drive he cant book a flight drive a boat but we can so you keep saying define our space how about dont go where the bears live this didn't happen on a downtown street it was a protected national park...If your worried about your space stay the heck out.

There are no fences, he has legs and is free to go where ever he wants to. I'm not worried about my space, I take it with me where ever I go.

 

[TrackerSam]

Are you asking what "our space" is, in practice? Or what I think "our space" should mean, ideally? .

There is only one space, one Earth, one planet. We all live here.

 

[nao]

re my post #14 - it was not wise to stand in the road with bacon and eggs, when i know theres a bear out there, but it did make for a more amusing story. the bear is not aggressive but very confidant, i ran and sat on my steps -bear was upset cause i was between her and her babe, she collected her kid (a cute little new one) we gave each other a dirty look, as she took her babe home. Dodge the bear, i found it very strange when i first moved to town, but i have accepted it now. there is a fishing dock across the hwy and bush behind -so the bears travel thru our yards.
But never ever ever ever when i lived out country, did i deal with with a bear with attitude, they always always walk away - the denali bear was the aggressore. the man taking pics was'nt in an aggressive stanse, but he was in the open so maybe when the bear started coming his way he ran - then he becomes prey. i have been way closer to bears than he was (by accident) i just stand still and hope to heck they go away, and they always have.

 

[Steely Dan]

The bear was just being a bear...the human, on the other hand, knows how to read.

BBM

Evidently he can't comprehend what he reads. Also, he needs to buy a telephoto lens. JMO

There are no fences, he has legs and is free to go where ever he wants to. I'm not worried about my space, I take it with me where ever I go.

Tell the bear this is "your space" and to leave you alone. I don't think he'll understand the words or the concept. JMO

 

[TrackerSam]

BBM

Evidently he can't comprehend what he reads. Also, he needs to buy a telephoto lens. JMO





Tell the bear this is "your space" and to leave you alone. I don't think he'll understand the words or the concept. JMO

I speak a pretty good grizzly, Kodiak so-so, brown and black - good good, polar - not at all, panda- with a slight mandarin dialect. Usually best not to say anything at all, just lay down and play possum.
I would never tell the bear it's my space since it clearly belongs to all of us.

 

[nao]

How many trailer lenths is a 1/4 mile? the man did not threaten the bear -the man was a safe distance away even if he is only 1 trailer lenth away(which is usually or sometimes closer when i notice a bear- lots of trees ya know)
the bear was aggressive, most bears would walk. if you believe this is bear space-then don't let people hike thru there. the man did not have bacon an eggs-just his camera, there was no reason for the bear to walk his way, it was just a bad attitude bear.

 

[Gardenlady]

Some bears are agressive. Theyre undomesticated animals, for heavens sake. So what, the shark or the bear should have to die because it was acting like a shark or bear?

 

[Gardenlady]

There is only one space, one Earth, one planet. We all live here.

I agree with this. We all live here, it is one earth. If we live in balance with the earth and with the animals, then there is one space, and enough for all of us.

But we don't live this way in practice. We live out of balance. We have used and developed more than we need. Those few places left for the animals - we need to respect them, and not act irresponsibly and cavalierly with those too. The way we humans live has impacted not just us, but the earth and the animals too. Why should the bear pay with its life for acting like a bear in one of the few remaining places we've let them to live in relative peace?

 

[nao]

Well Gardenlady, some humans are kinda feral. Bears ,dogs cats ,will kill there own kind, survival of fittest - or sometimes (they -we) are just aggressive and a danger.

 

[TrackerSam]

Well Gardenlady, some humans are kinda feral. Bears ,dogs cats ,will kill there own kind, survival of fittest - or sometimes (they -we) are just aggressive and a danger.

We live with gators here in So.Fla.
For a time I lived in Coconut Creek, just north of Ft.Ldle. Mostly it's condos. The lake has a paved path around it for joggers, walkers, bikes etc. One morning I'm along the bank fishing when I come upon a large gator up on the path. Joggers would come around a blind corner, with their headphones on, and I alerted them to the gator. No one got hurt, they just jogged around it. No one called the police or game warden. Gators are everywhere here. They're in golf course ponds, canals, lakes and once in a while, your swimming pool. For the most part we live together peacefully. If a gator starts chowing down on family pets it gets relocated back to the everglades. If it attacks a human, it's put down. When you take into account the number of gators living in residential areas, the attacks on humans are very few and the attacks on gators fewer.
They know we're there and we know they're there. We live together.
A hiker in the wilderness can't possibly know where every wolf, big cat or bear is at. To say "he got too close" prejudges every such incident as "preventable"; it's not. People live in Africa and all around the world, in undeveloped areas, with all manner of wild animals. We live together, occupying the same space.

 

[TrackerSam]

Well Gardenlady, some humans are kinda feral. Bears ,dogs cats ,will kill there own kind, survival of fittest - or sometimes (they -we) are just aggressive and a danger.

We live with gators here in So.Fla.
For a time I lived in Coconut Creek, just north of Ft.Ldle. Mostly it's condos. The lake has a paved path around it for joggers, walkers, bikes etc. One morning I'm along the bank fishing when I come upon a large gator up on the path. Joggers would come around a blind corner, with their headphones on, and I alerted them to the gator. No one got hurt, they just jogged around it. No one called the police or game warden. Gators are everywhere here. They're in golf course ponds, canals, lakes and once in a while, your swimming pool. For the most part we live together peacefully. If a gator starts chowing down on family pets it gets relocated back to the everglades. If it attacks a human, it's put down. When you take into account the number of gators living in residential areas, the attacks on humans are very few.
They know we're there and we know they're there. We live together.
A hiker in the wilderness can't possibly know where every wolf, big cat or bear is at. To say "he got to close" prejudges every such incident as "preventable". We live together, occupying the same space.

 

[lonetraveler]

We live with gators here in So.Fla.
For a time I lived in Coconut Creek, just north of Ft.Ldle. Mostly it's condos. The lake has a paved path around it for joggers, walkers, bikes etc. One morning I'm along the bank fishing when I come upon a large gator up on the path. Joggers would come around a blind corner, with their headphones on, and I alerted them to the gator. No one got hurt, they just jogged around it. No one called the police or game warden. Gators are everywhere here. They're in golf course ponds, canals, lakes and once in a while, your swimming pool. For the most part we live together peacefully. If a gator starts chowing down on family pets it gets relocated back to the everglades. If it attacks a human, it's put down. When you take into account the number of gators living in residential areas, the attacks on humans are very few and the attacks on gators fewer.
They know we're there and we know they're there. We live together.
A hiker in the wilderness can't possibly know where every wolf, big cat or bear is at. To say "he got too close" prejudges every such incident as "preventable"; it's not. People live in Africa and all around the world, in undeveloped areas, with all manner of wild animals. We live together, occupying the same space.

I would agree with your post (bolded by me) if the hiker were surprised on the trail and killed by the bear. Fact being is that he was not. He decided to break the park rules and got much closer than allowed to get the photos he wanted. IMO, this was very "preventable". We have gators here too and there are plenty of warning signs to people to be aware that gators are in the area and "Do not feed" signs with the warning of a very high fine and an explanation of why. People still throw food to the gators in order to get photos. A drunk idiot actually jumped off of a dock to "wrestle" a gator only to end up having to be rescued and lucky to only have puncture wounds and broken ribs. There will always be those idiots who do not respect wildlife and will ignore all laws and in my opinion are totally responsible for whatever concidences they have to face. You can't fix "stupid".

 

[Steely Dan]

I speak a pretty good grizzly, Kodiak so-so, brown and black - good good, polar - not at all, panda- with a slight mandarin dialect. Usually best not to say anything at all, just lay down and play possum.
I would never tell the bear it's my space since it clearly belongs to all of us.

BBM

:floorlaugh:

 

[JenniferTx]

So because you don't scuba dive no one should?

Excuse me but where was it in my post that I stated that no one should scuba dive? I could care less if people want to scuba dive. Why are you attacking me for stating my own opinion? :chillout:

 

[TrackerSam]

Excuse me but where was it in my post that I stated that no one should scuba dive? I could care less if people want to scuba dive. Why are you attacking me for stating my own opinion? :chillout:

Asking you a question is hardly an attack. Notice that hooky thing on the end of the sentence? :chillout::chillout::chillout:

 

[Jacie Estes]

 

[Steely Dan]

Was something supposed to appear there? :waitasec:

 

[TrackerSam]

Was something supposed to appear there? :waitasec:

Speechless :silenced:

 

[Jacie Estes]

Was something supposed to appear there? :waitasec:

Only if you want it to. :laughcry: Just a bear in his 'space'. lol

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

They say a quarter of a mile so I am going to assume they have a reason for that distance and respect that.

Probably a bear is able to pick up a scent within that quarter mile. I'm going to remember that information, myself.