Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #6

[tlcya]

Bringing this over from Thread #5 for reference purposes:


These are all the charges/arrests that we know of related to Holly's rape/kidnapping/murder -- so far.


Zachary Adams:
- Charged with Especially Aggravated Kidnapping and First Degree Murder
- Currently in jail


Jason Autry:

- Charged with Especially Aggravated Kidnapping and Murder
- Currently in jail


Dylan Adams:

- Charged with Rape and Tampering with Evidence/Disposal of Evidence
- Currently in jail


Mark Pearcy:

- Charged with Accessory After the Fact and Tampering with Evidence
- Currently in jail


Jeff Pearcy:

- Charged with Accessory After the Fact and Tampering with Evidence
- NOT in jail


Shayne Austin:

- "Immunity Deal" ?
- Whereabouts "unknown"


Relations:

- Zachary, Jason, and Shayne are "BFF's"

- Dylan is Zachary's younger brother.

- Mark Pearcy and Jeff Pearcy are half-brothers.

:bump:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Are they still looking for Holly's remains or any evidence out there? I mean, like an active search hunt?
When I read this thread yesterday, I was sick. I can't believe this is where this is going.....

:seeya: Hi Skully,

Yes, Holly's remains have been identified. Ginseng hunters found her skull, as well as other evidence, which "other evidence" has not been made public.


You may want to check out the thread here that has lots of info:

Holly Bobo's Remains Have Been Identified

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?256013-Holly-Bobo-s-Remains-Have-Been-Identified

 

[dog.gone.cute]

So many moving parts in this case. Would anyone be kind enough to post a list of the players with their current charges? If you already have a running tally. Please don't go out of your way, but I know some of us keep notes and such on the cases we follow.

Just now reading about the charges being dropped. Haven't fully read it so may be way off in my thinking here, but is there any chance they were dropped as part of deals with the two? I don't want to minimize any potential involvement, but even if one were to believe the prosecution's side, wasn't MP one of the lesser involved parties? In which case maybe a deal letting him slide to some extent is palatable in exchange for testimony. Same question about DA, insofar as the tampering charges go? The recent rape allegations exceeding the scope of the potential deal results in them continuing to remain active. Just some thoughts and frankly, I'm not sold on them but thought I'd get y'all's thoughts on the possibility.

:seeya: Hi reedus! I see tlcya posted the list of perps/charges . . . Thanks, tlcya.

I am working on updating the list with yesterday's latest developments, and adding some additional information that may help keep all this straight.

I hope that helps.

 

[SteveS]

Whether you wish to believe it or not the NEW DA has said the evidence against ZA&JA is 'VOLUMINOUS."

"Voluminous" speaks to quantity, and that is simply logical, as a function of time. It would be almost impossible not to have volumes of evidence of some sort after such a long investigation.

But unfortunately, having big boxes of "something" doesn't guarantee there's much (if anything), within those volumes, that's of the quality needed to lead to a conviction. Hopefully they have clear and convincing evidence to hang the monsters who did this, but we'll just have to see, when the trial comes.

 

[shefner]

Correct but surely filming a rape of a kidnap victim would be considered participating in the rape? There would have to be some sort of rape related charge for the person accused of filming such a horror - no?

But he was never charged with filming it.... Only having witnessed the footage.
I still think that every person who witnessed such a thing and has kept silent all these years should reap the full extent the law will allow!

 

[Suthrnqt]

Subscribing....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So many moving parts in this case. Would anyone be kind enough to post a list of the players with their current charges? If you already have a running tally. Please don't go out of your way, but I know some of us keep notes and such on the cases we follow.

Just now reading about the charges being dropped. Haven't fully read it so may be way off in my thinking here, but is there any chance they were dropped as part of deals with the two? I don't want to minimize any potential involvement, but even if one were to believe the prosecution's side, wasn't MP one of the lesser involved parties? In which case maybe a deal letting him slide to some extent is palatable in exchange for testimony. Same question about DA, insofar as the tampering charges go? The recent rape allegations exceeding the scope of the potential deal results in them continuing to remain active. Just some thoughts and frankly, I'm not sold on them but thought I'd get y'all's thoughts on the possibility.

Hi Ree!

I actually think dropping the other lessor offenses were done because it conflicted with the federal cases that take top priority. The feds probably do not want the state to override their own cases of MP and DA. The feds want their cases to go first. I really cant blame them since both were already arrested/charges on federal gun charges before the other charges came about.

So I think what will happen when both of those cases are finalized in the federal court system the state DA will once again pick the state charges up on both men. Without prejudice means of course they can reinstate the charges at a further date.

That seems to be the only cases they are dropping for now. Imo, it is a procedural issue and I think DA realized that and may have been told by the Feds that they want both of their cases to take priority. Once that is resolved I suspect they will be recharged.

You may be right, at least about the charges against MP. Maybe they agreed to drop his charges if he testifies against his brother, Jeff. But with JPs charges not being dropped I think it has more to do with the ongoing federal gun charges.

As for as the two rape charges against Dylan now the DA knows that will not go forward soon so it will not conflict with the federal procedure against him. Usually lessor offenses don't take years to come to trial.

Take this with a whole boat load of salt but I was reading 'over there' this morning and a longtime poster said he saw the affidavit against DA pertaining to Holly being raped. He said the reason he is charged with two rapes is he admitted her raped her vaginally that day and also anally. He even quoted how it read. But then again until that is verified its just a rumor.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"Voluminous" speaks to quantity, and that is simply logical, as a function of time. It would be almost impossible not to have volumes of evidence of some sort after such a long investigation.

But unfortunately, having big boxes of "something" doesn't guarantee there's much (if anything), within those volumes, that's of the quality needed to lead to a conviction. Hopefully they have clear and convincing evidence to hang the monsters who did this, but we'll just have to see, when the trial comes.

Stowe did not say he has voluminous boxes with just 'something' in them. He said he has voluminous evidence against the two main suspects. His statements were very clear that he is talking about evidence collected that directly connects ZA&JA's guilt.

This is a DA who could have rightfully dismissed the cases if he himself didn't think they had the voluminous evidence to prove it. He did not have to go forward with the case that was thrown in his lap when he was elected. In fact during the time Holly's remains were found he said again.........that he was going to take these cases to trial even if her remains hadn't been located. That shows just how confident he is with the evidence he has.

No matter what a GJ decides it all comes down to the DA's sole decision and whether they want to take it to trial. It makes no logical sense to me that Stowe would want to just go to trial based on weak evidence or as some have said 'no evidence at all.' This will be the biggest cases of his career. He would only go forward if what he said is true and he does have more evidence against these thugs than any one of us can begin to even imagine.

That is why he hasn't flinched and there will be no pleas offered to ZA&JA. Stowe is going to trial and entering the voluminous amount of evidence he KNOWS he has against these sub-humans to make sure the entire community knows what these POSs did to Holly and will show the jury what they deserve for what they have done.

To think any DA, especially a new one in the county would just go forward on weak evidence is totally illogical thinking, imo. While DAs are there to see justice is done for victims they are also an adversarial system and they want to win.......which he will, imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.wkrn.com/slideshow?widgetId=112333&slideshowImageId=5

Here is a slide show that shows all of those involve thus far.

IMO

 

[Skully]

:seeya: Hi Skully,

Yes, Holly's remains have been identified. Ginseng hunters found her skull, as well as other evidence, which "other evidence" has not been made public.


You may want to check out the thread here that has lots of info:

Holly Bobo's Remains Have Been Identified

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?256013-Holly-Bobo-s-Remains-Have-Been-Identified

I knew they found the skull, but I didn't know if they found "all of her remains". I guess in my mind I thought there may be a grave but I guess not. They must have just left her out there.. So sad.

 

[tlcya]

But he was never charged with filming it.... Only having witnessed the footage.
I still think that every person who witnessed such a thing and has kept silent all these years should reap the full extent the law will allow!

Regardless of charges, I thought the story being put out by TBI was that according to their female witness who testified under oath on the matter, Jeff P was in possession of a video that showed Holly bound and being forcibly raped by ZA while Mark P could be heard on the tape and was alleged to have been the videographer of the disgusting party. My point being, if that was true and it can somehow be proven, I would think there would be applicable charges for MP.

 

[Fence Sitter]

I have a quick question. I was looking at the definitions of different rape charges and it seems to me that aggrvated rape involves more than one party whereas forcible rape or sexual battery is only one person. I may have understood wrong. Can someone with legal knowledge clear this up for me?
If DA has been charged with rape, it would be a good guess to say that ZA and JA also participated wouldnt it. They wouldnt take her. Giver her to DA to rape then just murder her without participation surely.
How long would be likely wait to see rape charges added to ZA and JA??

 

[SteveS]

Stowe did not say he has voluminous boxes with just 'something' in them. He said he has voluminous evidence against the two main suspects.

You can nitpick MY explanation, but the point still stands that TBI has made repeated references to the quantity of the evidence they have amassed, but never about the quality of any of it.

As it's become apparent that this is a LE group very intent on PR, it wouldn't be a change in m.o. for them to put out positive spin that doesn't tell the whole story, and the focus on the "volume" certainly is the sort of statement that could put a positive spin on a huge amount of investigation that really didn't have anything compelling in it.

I'm not saying that's a bad approach. It could be that the sense that LE knows all, when they really have weak stuff, is the sort of pressure that will cause people to talk. And let's recognize that they were already touting their volumes for months, yet the rape charges on DA were not from that at all, but rather from something that recently happened (confession on 9-17)

You can guess, as can we all, but we probably won't really know until we see what comes out at trial.

 

[Lanesmommy]

So from what I can conclude DA made these incriminating statements 8-10 days after they first found Holly's remains (sept 7th they found the skull and I think the next day the 8th is when they identified and stated that the remains were in fact Holly). I was thinking that DA probably made these statements to the Special Agent in charge of "watching over him" while he was in Protective Custody. But they could have pulled him back in for questioning the week following the discovery of her body. I'm leaning more towards the later of my thoughts... because I can speculate they pulled everyone involved (at least the main 4) back in for questioning. After they discovered where Holly was, they had a better chance of coercing a confession out of the "weakest link" as some have referred to him. I'm sure DA had been wanting to tell someone what really happened that day. By no means am I saying DA is innocent, but I do believe he is the lesser of the two (brothers) evils.

That being said the recent charges all refer to criminal acts committed on April 13th, 2011. They are specifically naming that day. The more I think about it, because at first I was confident they held Holly for longer than one day, it makes me think she was murdered on the 13th of April as well. JMO and my 2 cents.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You can nitpick MY explanation, but the point still stands that TBI has made repeated references to the quantity of the evidence they have amassed, but never about the quality of any of it.

As it's become apparent that this is a LE group very intent on PR, it wouldn't be a change in m.o. for them to put out positive spin that doesn't tell the whole story, and the focus on the "volume" certainly is the sort of statement that could put a positive spin on a huge amount of investigation that really didn't have anything compelling in it.

I'm not saying that's a bad approach. It could be that the sense that LE knows all, when they really have weak stuff, is the sort of pressure that will cause people to talk. And let's recognize that they were already touting their volumes for months, yet the rape charges on DA were not from that at all, but rather from something that recently happened (confession on 9-17)

You can guess, as can we all, but we probably won't really know until we see what comes out at trial.

Of course we wont know any of the evidence but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist either even though that has been said ad nauseaum about other cases when the DAs didn't reveal the evidence in their case either. In fact in most case discussed here unless there is an open Preliminary Hearing or bond hearing we know nothing about the evidence in any case nor should we before a trial commences. There is a valid reason why evidence comes from the witness stand in a court of law instead of being tried in the court of public opinion.

Again, I am not talking about was said prior. We already knew they had amassed over 27,000 pages of documents in 2012. A lot has happened since then. And it wasn't even the TBI that talked about how much evidence they have in this case.......it was the elected DA who will try the cases. All the TBI did was a printed press release back in 2012. So no one but the DA has told us that there is a voluminous amount of evidence against these two defendants. These defendants weren't even arrested when the TBI press release was done two years ago.

What I am referring to is what the NEW DA has said that just came on the case months ago.

I don't care what was said prior in a press release by the TBI back a couple of years ago or what was even said by the ex-DA.

DA Stowe is the one who has said the evidence is voluminous. I have no reason to disbelieve believe him or think for some foolish idiotic reason he wants to commit career suicide by bringing a case he knows is weak. He has had time to look at the evidence they have and was going forward to trial on both suspects even without a body. It takes a strong case to try a missing body case and I think we all are aware of that. If he thinks he had enough evidence at that juncture to go forward and its obvious that he was going forward to trial then even back then he felt he could prove the cases BARD. That's not just boxes with insignificant stuff in it.

Since he has said and the TBI as well that this continues to be an ongoing investigation it shows that it indeed is true and more and more evidence is being gathered and they aren't through yet. So any additional evidence he has received after already determining he had enough evidence to take it to trial without a body is just more evidence to add to the voluminous evidence he already said he had.

So I believe him totally.

1. Stowe said they have a voluminous amount of evidence against the two main suspects.
2. Stowe has said this is still very much an ongoing active investigation and he also said on 9/17/2014 he expected more charges would be made against those who are already in jail. True to his word.

So you can choose to disbelieve him if you wish and think it is just PR but I will not. Imo, he is a man of his word and that has shown to be true.

When he tells the citizens he represents he has the evidence against ZA&JA he means it. When he says this is still an active ongoing investigation he means that too. And when all the evidence is in if it shows anyone else was involved he will go to the GJ to get them indicted too. And if he/TBI finds further evidence in the ongoing investigation to bring further charges against those already jailed......he will do that too.

 

[Migmuu]

Has anyone else heard the rumor that Adams, Autry and the other men charged with Holly's rape/murder injected her with drugs while she was held captive? I read that she was given meth to make her almost hysterical and more sensitive to pain, and then ''downers'' to dull her senses and make her more malleable. Does anyone know where this info came from and whether it's reliable?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Has anyone else heard the rumor that Adams, Autry and the other men charged with Holly's rape/murder injected her with drugs while she was held captive? I read that she was given meth to make her almost hysterical and more sensitive to pain, and then ''downers'' to dull her senses and make her more malleable. Does anyone know where this info came from and whether it's reliable?

I read that over on Topix. That's the only place I have read it.

When SK testified to seeing Holly in the video she said that Holly was tied up and crying. I don't know if these POSs would waste their precious meth on Holly. I think they wanted her to feel every moment they made her suffer.

JMO though

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:twocents:

JMO but I believe the evidence that has been accumulated over the past 3+ years is not just "quantity" but "quality" as well.

5 perps have been charged with Holly's kidnapping/rape/murder/accessory after the fact/tampering with evidence ... then you have 1 more perp -- which makes it 6 perps total -- that has an "immunity deal" which is still "up in the air" ... and TBI has continually stated there will be more arrests. And all of these perps -- EXCEPT JP -- have criminal records !

Remember the WOW Team's report ? They had 27 binders of information!

Remember ZA's first hearing ? IIRC, the DA said they had over 10,000 pages of discovery/documents !

No doubt, the records are voluminous.

As to "quality" : 2 of the 6 perps have "talked" -- DA and SA. And since then, Holly's case has made tremendous progress, including finding her remains, which honestly, I never thought would be found ! So they have forensic/dna evidence. Remember, they conducted 3 searches at the Adams house, both inside and out.

No doubt, there is evidence against these perps.

And no doubt there's more . . . the above is just some thoughts that came to mind.

All JMO and :moo:

 

[SteveS]

Of course we wont know any of the evidence but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist either ....

I'll address this one more time, as you seem to keep replying (and replying again) to something I am not saying.

I didn't state there isn't evidence. Nor did I state that there aren't volumes of evidence.

All I have noted is that LE (new, old, here, there) is choosing to tell us of a large quantity, and to keep in mind that quantity and quality are different concepts. Does that mean there's something they are hiding as to the quality, or lack thereof? Not necessarily. But, from what they said, we just don't know either way regarding whether what they truly have is worth more than a bucket (or, in this case, many buckets) of warm spit at trial. Hopefully the answer is yes.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have a quick question. I was looking at the definitions of different rape charges and it seems to me that aggrvated rape involves more than one party whereas forcible rape or sexual battery is only one person. I may have understood wrong. Can someone with legal knowledge clear this up for me?
If DA has been charged with rape, it would be a good guess to say that ZA and JA also participated wouldnt it. They wouldnt take her. Giver her to DA to rape then just murder her without participation surely.
How long would be likely wait to see rape charges added to ZA and JA??

At the time there was two forcible rapes by Dylan. So it seems at that time he was the only one doing the forcible rapes. Since we have heard that she was tied up at the time I doubt he used any weapon to threaten her which would constitute aggravated rape. He also may not have participated in any beatings if that turns out to be true. I think ZAs is the one that tied Holly up to the bed post in his room most likely.

I think aggravated rape means the victim was threatened by the rapist at the time and was either beaten by the rapist or a weapon was used to threaten the victim.

Yes, SK did testify that when she was shown the video of Holly she was crying, tied up, and she saw Zach in the video with Holly. So this was a gang rape by all parties there imo. But they have to find forensic evidence linking ZA&JA to the rapes. That is the reason the mattress and flooring was taken in the latest search warrant of Adams home. IMO

Since those two have already been charged with aggravated kidnapping and murder if they find forensic evidence or even the video if it still exist showing Holly being raped by ZA&JA they will be charged with aggravated rape because it happened during the time she was kidnapped by them and murdered.

It seems at this time the TBI does not believe Dylan participated in the aggravated kidnapping and murder and may also believe he did not beat her or threaten her with a weapon so they have charged him with forcible rape.

Forcible rape is a felony and if convicted the defendant can get up to 40 years and that is for one forcible rape and of course he is charged with two counts.