Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #6

[Tugela]

double post due to board doing weird things

 

[Tugela]

I have to agree with you here. My guess is even though there is supposed boxes of evidence, my guess is it consists of a whole lot of nothing very solid.

There has no doubt been a lot of time invested but just not a lot of results. It does seem like the only significant things LE had going for them was relying on people testifying against each other.
And relying on the infamous video that has not surfaced.

I do think the case may still be salvagable but they had better re-enter into that plea deal they backed out of. And make sure they give Dylan a good enough deal for him to tell all he knows. That seems like the only thing they really have unless they can somehow tie the skull to someone being present with the skull.

I cant hold anything against this new DA because I suspect he was shocked to look at all the evidence and find nothing he can work with. Its all so very sad because Holly deserved much better than this fiasco. I am keeping my hopes up the case is salvagable and they do prosecute the right people. She needs justice and it had better be the right people.

I suspect that they don't have anything other than people testifying against each other, and that is the problem - those people apparently have not provided good evidence and likely are easily impeachable as a result. That means that their testimony will not stand in court, and if there is nothing other than that then there is no case.

I think that the TBI and the previous DA were expecting to find physical evidence as a result of their witness testimony that would corroborate what the witnesses were saying, but did not. In that sort of situation if they have committed by charging and indicting him, they are on stampede to the edge of the cliff, and Stowe apparently does not want to be the one charging over the edge of that cliff.

As for re-entering the deal they gave DA, that won't help them because the reason they pulled out in the first place presumably was because what he told them was not backed up by physical evidence and is therefore worthless.

 

[Tugela]

I think for Stow the problem is that on one hand if he drops the case and walks away, the public fallout will spell the end of his political career. But I also suspect that he has had a good look at all the shenanigans that have gone on in trying to make a case and realized that if he presses forward he faces a very real risk of disbarment. So he is in a tough situation, one which he can't really talk about publically. For him IMO it is a sort of lose-lose scenario where he is the fall guy.

 

[Hatfield]

I suspect that they don't have anything other than people testifying against each other, and that is the problem - those people apparently have not provided good evidence and likely are easily impeachable as a result. That means that their testimony will not stand in court, and if there is nothing other than that then there is no case.

I think that the TBI and the previous DA were expecting to find physical evidence as a result of their witness testimony that would corroborate what the witnesses were saying, but did not. In that sort of situation if they have committed by charging and indicting him, they are on stampede to the edge of the cliff, and Stowe apparently does not want to be the one charging over the edge of that cliff.

As for re-entering the deal they gave DA, that won't help them because the reason they pulled out in the first place presumably was because what he told them was not backed up by physical evidence and is therefore worthless.

I totally agree. You summed it up well.

And you are right about the deal they backed out of with DA. You are right that they didnt find anything where he said they would because obviously Holly's remains were moved at least once and most likely multiple times. Kind of like a dog hiding his bone in the house and then picking it up shortly after and moving it to another hiding spot
I guess my point there was that if he knows anything at all that could help the case that they should try to work with him to testify. So long as he is not culpable too. Kind of makes you wonder how he knew in the first place where she was originally hidden.

 

[Hatfield]

I think for Stow the problem is that on one hand if he drops the case and walks away, the public fallout will spell the end of his political career. But I also suspect that he has had a good look at all the shenanigans that have gone on in trying to make a case and realized that if he presses forward he faces a very real risk of disbarment. So he is in a tough situation, one which he can't really talk about publically. For him IMO it is a sort of lose-lose scenario where he is the fall guy.

I also agree here. He steps brand new into a tough situation that others were supposed to have mostly completed by the time he took over. And then once he looked at the evidence (or lack thereof) he realized there was just not a strong case as was advertised to him. Then when he started to ask for the needed test results from the skull, he kept getting no response. The judge was breathing down his neck to give discovery to the defense and he could not even complete the case without the extra needed test results. I can see why he was upset and wanted no part of it after he realized how weak the case really was.

All this that went on was an indication that the public was also given a lot of "hot air" and bravado without much substance as charges were thrown at people. We kind of suspected some of it was hot air as the infamous video never materialized and charges were dropped against certain people.
Some of the early criticism seems warranted now.

I feel sorry for this new replacement DA because they are now in the same situation Stowe was. They have been thrown into a tough situation. If they can successfully prosecute the RIGHT people they may be able to make a name for themselves. But they could also end up the new fall guy. Its going to be an interesting trial either way.

Ive said all along that I just hope the RIGHT guilty people are prosecuted. I think they have at least 2 of them that took part. Just not sure about any of the others because I haven't seen enough to convince me yet that they took part. The big danger in a case like this is 1 person claiming another took part just so they get a better deal for themselves. Just hope the evidence proves things.

 

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[maskedwoman]

But all of that stuff was supposed to have been done, or at least be ready to be done before he took office. The DA's office and LE have a staff who were supposed to be handling all of that, but obviously they didn't. He is just the boss, he depends on his subordinates doing their job, particularly if they were supposed to have done their job before he took office. What did you expect him to do? He can't use magic, and if his staff were not ready there is not a whole lot he could have done to change that. He can rant and rave at them, and that is apparently what he did, but it doesn't change the fact that they were not ready.

I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday season. I've been busy as the proverbial one-armed paper hanger and haven't been around lately, but this latest dust up brought me back.

So far I'm not impressed with Mr. Stowe. His background is here: [URL="http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Matthew-Stowe/17781976" /URL] He graduated from magna laude from Harvard and clerked for a Supreme Court Justice, but I'm getting the feeling that he is not up to this job. I understand people disagree and things are said but that sort of, um, manhood comparison should occur in private. You don't just accuse your state's investigative service of official misconduct in a meeting with other state attorneys in it, without some sort of proof, and he should know that.

He wanted that job and he became fully responsible for everything in that office the day he walked in the door. Even if his staff hadn't done a lick of work until the day he walked in the door, he should have known how to address that, too. I presume that are certain rules for what you do if you walk into a case and find out your predecessor has done NOTHING to move discovery along. And I'm pretty sure it's not "just wait until the next scheduled court date and let the Judge find out then." So, now he's shot himself in both feet and had to hand what should have been a career making case off to a special prosecutor. Not a good move at all.

I would be curious what some other folks are thinking. Thanks!

 

[maskedwoman]

I do blame him, and I don't trust him or his ability to perform at all.

It has been one missed deadline after another since he took office. Then his lack of readiness leads to a dustup with TBI (imo trying to get them to take the fall for his failure to do his job). Now he decides he better hand the job to someone else.

I see this as one stall tactic after another, frankly. Does he even have a case? I wonder. The judge jumps down his throat and puts him on a serious deadline, and it looks to me like he lacks anything coherent, so he tries to buy time by throwing a monkey wrench into the case and putting someone else in charge.

I'm concerned his bungling and bull-xxxx is going to prevent any chance to convict the guilty. I don't know if he has the right guys, or if he has any real evidence, but I see no legal pro here handling their business. Holly deserves better.

Ahh, there you are. I should have been a little more patient. I was interested in what you thought about this and I am right with you on this one.

 

[SteveS]

He wanted that job and he became fully responsible for everything in that office the day he walked in the door. Even if his staff hadn't done a lick of work until the day he walked in the door, he should have known how to address that, too. I presume that are certain rules for what you do if you walk into a case and find out your predecessor has done NOTHING to move discovery along. And I'm pretty sure it's not "just wait until the next scheduled court date and let the Judge find out then."

This ^

 

[Foxfire]

Well, imo the citizens of Decatur County displayed their opinions of the good ole boy network in their county as well as the judicial district at the ballot box. The only reason that the Director of the TBI is hanging around is simply because it is an appointed position by Governor Haslam, imo..

So my vote is for the outsider; District Attorney Matt Stowe. Imo, he is fighting for Justice for Holly Bobo, her family, and the entire TN community.. and will get it..

 

[shefner]

Well, imo the citizens of Decatur County displayed their opinions of the good ole boy network in their county as well as the judicial district at the ballot box. The only reason that the Director of the TBI is hanging around is simply because it is an appointed position by Governor Haslam, imo..

So my vote is for the outsider; District Attorney Matt Stowe. Imo, he is fighting for Justice for Holly Bobo, her family, and the entire TN community.. and will get it..

So agree with you, Foxfire....

 

[SteveS]

Well, imo the citizens of Decatur County displayed their opinions of the good ole boy network in their county as well as the judicial district at the ballot box. The only reason that the Director of the TBI is hanging around is simply because it is an appointed position by Governor Haslam, imo..

So my vote is for the outsider; District Attorney Matt Stowe. Imo, he is fighting for Justice for Holly Bobo, her family, and the entire TN community.. and will get it..

IMO Stowe has been part of the problem, not the solution.

He had been doing next to nothing that the case requires (repeatedly missing deadlines and falling short of the duty the court requires), and now he's reduced that effort down to doing absolutely nothing at all on it (as he's asked someone else to do his job).

I know he's sold everyone on the concept that him being an "outsider" is the formula to make things better, but an outsider who doesn't do the job is worthless, and that has been what we've seen from him. IMO.

There is no Justice for Holly in getting nothing done.

 

[reedus23]

That's probably a bit harsh. I don't think Stowe has been on the case the entirety of this case. Having said that, he may or may not be worthless. I don't know and I don't think anyone other than those on the inside know what is really going on. From the outside looking in, though, it all does come off as one big scrambled mess.

 

[Tugela]

It is not correct to say that he has done nothing. He did dismiss the charges against one the P brothers and declined to indict the other (yes, I know he made a lot of hoopla about reinstating them at a later time, but that probably isn't going to happen). He did charge DA with rape (and that is probably the only charge that is going to court, since it is based on DA's statements apparently, and does not require corroboration as a result).

Regarding the rest of them, that is where I think he has a problem, since I think they were arrested and indicted based on the allegations of DA and SA, with the expectation of forensic evidence being recovered later as a result of what they claimed that would corroborate their allegations. That probably did not happen, so he really has no case on the main charges. It is that dilemma, what to do now that the deadline to put up has arrived. Bluster won't work anymore and there will be fallout no matter what he does. Based on what we know so far there is nothing to suggest that the two currently sitting in jail have anything to do with what happened to Holly outside of what DA and SA claimed. My guess is that he knows that if discovery is handed over, that will be the end of the case, and that is why his office is stalling doing so. It is hard to imagine what other reason they could have for their behavior over the last week or so.

Honestly, while I understand the problem for him personally, it does not reflect well on him at all. I think it is a lack of leadership. He can't make the hard decisions. If you have the evidence then take it to trial and do everything properly, give discovery to the defense - if your case is strong it won't make any difference if they get it so why stall? If you don't have the evidence, then do the honorable thing and dismiss the charges. Playing politics and games stalling for time hoping something will come up is not how the justice system is supposed to work.

 

[Foxfire]

It is not correct to say that he has done nothing. He did dismiss the charges against one the P brothers and declined to indict the other (yes, I know he made a lot of hoopla about reinstating them at a later time, but that probably isn't going to happen). He did charge DA with rape (and that is probably the only charge that is going to court, since it is based on DA's statements apparently, and does not require corroboration as a result).

Regarding the rest of them, that is where I think he has a problem, since I think they were arrested and indicted based on the allegations of DA and SA, with the expectation of forensic evidence being recovered later as a result of what they claimed that would corroborate their allegations. That probably did not happen, so he really has no case on the main charges. It is that dilemma, what to do now that the deadline to put up has arrived. Bluster won't work anymore and there will be fallout no matter what he does. Based on what we know so far there is nothing to suggest that the two currently sitting in jail have anything to do with what happened to Holly outside of what DA and SA claimed. My guess is that he knows that if discovery is handed over, that will be the end of the case, and that is why his office is stalling doing so. It is hard to imagine what other reason they could have for their behavior over the last week or so.

Honestly, while I understand the problem for him personally, it does not reflect well on him at all. I think it is a lack of leadership. He can't make the hard decisions. If you have the evidence then take it to trial and do everything properly, give discovery to the defense - if your case is strong it won't make any difference if they get it so why stall? If you don't have the evidence, then do the honorable thing and dismiss the charges. Playing politics and games stalling for time hoping something will come up is not how the justice system is supposed to work.

<BBM for Focus>
Imo, the lack of leadership and performance was obvious in the TBI's marathon investigation of the tragic Holly Bobo abduction/murder from day one; 04/13/2011.. The blunders by Director Mark Gwyn, investigators of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and the ousted District Attorney General Hansel McCadams, continued to mount throughout the past 3.5 years and are way too numerous to list on one thread..

Imo, District Attorney General Stowe is faced with cleaning up decades of corruption, malfeasance, and many other types of failure to discharge public obligations existing by common law, custom, or statute..jmo

Can you say TN; Meth Capitol of the USA in 2010, Decatur County; TN's meth capitol, DA's helicopter rides to football games, BMWs, ATVs, personal drug use of confiscated evidence, and possibly drug dealing by prior DA employees, etc., etc...

 

[shefner]

I am stopping by on this Christmas Eve to say that I am remembering Holly today. I am sure the Bobo family is heartbroken beyond belief. None of their Christmases will ever be the same. I pray that justice is served in this case and we can one day know what happened and why...if there is a why.

Lifting up prayers for the Bobo's this Christmas. We miss you Holly.

 

[shefner]

If you want to see another case that I think TBI is currently screwing up, take a look at the missing Rhonda Daugherty from Lafollette, TN.
There is zero on this case. I mean, its just sitting there. The public has no idea what to look for, no clue what may have happened, nothing. The public tried to make some very astute connections to Lonnie Vann...but alas, TBI won't give us a dang thing. Here's a link for ya:

http://wate.com/2014/12/08/tbi-wont...ell-county-robbery-suspect-and-missing-woman/

 

[Foxfire]

Bumping...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

In the Editorial of the Jackson Sun:

December 30, 2014


Legal focus should be on justice for Holly Bobo

We were deeply concerned this month over the meltdown that occurred between District Attorney Matt Stowe and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation related to the prosecution of the case involving Holly Bobo.
...
It is our hope that the focus can now be where it belongs: On rendering justice as best as our system allows for Holly Bobo and her family.

Link: http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/opi...2/30/legal-focus-justice-holly-bobo/21020951/

 

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From the Jackson Sun:


Top Tennessee stories of 2014 -- Holly Bobo's case at #3:

Here are the top Tennessee stories of 2014, as selected in voting by subscribers and staff of The Associated Press:

3 &#8212; Three years after Holly Bobo goes missing, two men are charged with Bobo&#8217;s kidnapping and murder. The nursing student was 20 years old when she disappeared from her West Tennessee home in April 2011. Her remains were not found until last September.

Link: http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/local/tennessee/2014/12/25/top-tennessee-stories/20904119/