Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #7

[Bali]

I don't understand-this is from People mag website:

"The murder was especially heinous, atrocious or cruel in that it involved torture or serious physical abuse beyond that necessary to produce death," the filings state.

What exactly happened to Holly? How was she killed? Did they confess? I thought no details were known.

The only evidence that has been released to the public (and to the defense as well, according to them) is a confession by Dylan where he said he saw Holly sitting on the chair at Zach's house and supposedly zach said he raped her. That's it. That's all we know. They released that detail in the media a few days ago. Now, the prosecution may have more evidence, but as of yet they haven't released it. I'm sure whatever Dylan said was more detailed that just that, but the public isn't privy to those details. They haven't even given the defense a bill of particulars detailing what the evidence is, so we really don't know at this point.

 

[Bali]

BBM - how then are we reading about a drive with several terabytes of data and complaints that it is not indexed? Which is it, "No Evidence" or too much not indexed?

MOO

Just because they've turned stuff over doesn't mean it's evidence connecting the defendants to the crime. It could just be phone records and computer records or other miscellaneous discovery. They didn't turn over a bill of particulars or the forensics, even though they gave them a terabyte of discovery way back in the fall. I don't care how you spin it, that's suspicious. The way they turned it over made me think they were just giving the defense busy work to stall for time.

 

[StillMindmatters]

Ok Bali, <modsnip> I believe I will respond to this particular post. And because you have directed this to me I will answer to best of my ability, <modsnip>. It is with all due respect that my responses are done in caps.

"See, this is what I don't get...how is it preserving Holly's memory by assuming people are guilty without evidence?"

YOU, NOR I, HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE FULL EXTENT OF EVIDENCE IS IN THIS CASE, PERIOD, AND I HAVE NOT FOUND THEM GUILTY BUT I HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE FALSELY CHARGED FOR THE CRIMES THEY ARE ACCUSED OF THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE HELD FOR TRIAL; BUT TO SUGGEST THAT I HAVE FOUND SOMEONE GUILTY AS CHARGED WITHOUT KNOWING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE IS JUST PREPOSTEROUS. AND WHAT'S MORE WE THE PUBLIC ARE NOT PRIVY TO THE EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS A COPIOUS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ON THIS CASE AS EVIDENCED BY TODAY'S HEARING THAT WILL COME TO LIGHT IN COURT. FURTHERMORE, I IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM MENTIONED IN MY POST ANYTHING RELATED TO PRESERVING HOLLY'S MEMORY SO NOT SURE WHERE THIS EVEN CAME FROM!

"Convicting someone who is innocent is not going to bring Holly back".

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT THESE MEN ARE INNOCENT OR GUILTY AT THIS POINT, THAT IS WHAT A THE TRIAL IS FOR--AND IF YOU HAVE FACTS TO SUPPORT THIS CLAIM OF THEIR "INNOCENCE" THEN PLEASE SHARE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT ASAP. FURTHERMORE, JUSTICE IS ABOUT THE GUILTY BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS NOT ANY ATTEMPT TO BRING SOMEONE BACK FGS.

"Assuming the police have evidence just because they've made an arrest (when it's clear they're not turning the evidence over) is not going to bring her back."

I HAVE NOT ONCE SUGGESTED ANYTHING ABOUT BRINGING HOLLY BACK, SO NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM EITHER--AND FWIW THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE STATEMENT TO BE MADE--ON IT'S FACE IT IS IMMENSELY INSENSITIVE, AND AS TO IT'S INTENT THERE APPEARS TO BE AN ELEMENT OF FACETIOUSNESS IN MAKING SUCH A RHETORICAL STATEMENT AT ALL.

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[Bali]

Okay, wait, calm down. Take a few breaths. You're getting way more upset about this than you should be. You made a statement that implied that we shouldn't discuss the justice system as it applies to this case:

"Furthermore, JMO but it seems that this thread has become a place for commentary on the speculated failings of the American Justice System, as well as abuse of criminal defendants rights, rather than about Holly--which is so disappointing."

Now, maybe I misinterpreted your statement, but it really sounds like you're saying we shouldn't even consider what the prosecution's actions mean for the case and should instead refrain from discussing that aspect of the case. Prosecutors are often accused of withholding exculpatory evidence, but rarely do they get accused of withholding the evidence of guilt. Think about it: the judge, at any time, could throw out the case for missing the discovery deadline by several months. Why would they jeopardize such a big case in that way if there wasn't a big reason? This is an important discussion. There is absolutely no reason not to discuss that aspect of the case. But if we need to focus on Holly more, please detail how we should do that.

I do apologize if I offended you in any way.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Just because they've turned stuff over doesn't mean it's evidence connecting the defendants to the crime. It could just be phone records and computer records or other miscellaneous discovery. They didn't turn over a bill of particulars or the forensics, even though they gave them a terabyte of discovery way back in the fall. I don't care how you spin it, that's suspicious. The way they turned it over made me think they were just giving the defense busy work to stall for time.

One of the attorneys today mentioned another 85-page brief in addition to two hard-drives full of information.

I transcribed this from the livestream earlier today between the Judge and Jason Autry's attorney:

Open File Discovery? Judge: "State will be under continuing duty to provide additional discovery."

Judge: "Under 2 DAs-ago they had an electronic file dump that was so large it ... stretches the imagination."

Attorney - 2 external harddrives that were not indexed.

DA: "There's no way to make this small, but they're going to have index."

Judge: "They have haystacks - going to give you the needles."

Attorney - There's an 85-page filing also.

Att. wants to file "dissociative motions" about new indictment and hopes they can be taken up quickly - filed by end of next week.

Judge: Suggest they take those up on July 29, morning. Might take all day.

Changed by DA to 26th of August, and if scheduling problems arise he will do telephone conference.

That's vastly more stuff than you have even in most murder trials.

If there was "no evidence" then every lawyer would be saying that. All three attorneys seemed to be quite aware of how much the state has, they just haven't been able to go through all of it yet.

 

[StillMindmatters]

I don't understand-this is from People mag website:

"The murder was especially heinous, atrocious or cruel in that it involved torture or serious physical abuse beyond that necessary to produce death," the filings state.

What exactly happened to Holly? How was she killed? Did they confess? I thought no details were known.

Scriptgirl, could you provide a link please.tia.

 

[Bali]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but the defense attorneys have made it very clear they haven't received evidence, don't think there's a case, etc. Hopefully we'll see more soon. They promised it'll come within a month. Of course they've promised discovery before, so who knows if they'll meet that deadline, but I see no sign that the defense thinks there's a strong case.

 

[pearl]

This afternoon after seeing the pictures of JA, ZA, and DA in court today and compare with them the pictures of JA (especially) and ZA to last year's pictures in court, I find them very different in actions and demeanor. Then I think about the defense attorneys claims of not receiving discovery. Obviously, these two have seen something to change their courtroom behavior. I think they have probably seen enough to know they will be found guilty.

 

[Dogface]

Am I the only one who thinks it would be completely possible to have gone through most, if not all, of that info in the time since it has been given? Don't these guys have paralegals to help with that? I agree that they should have had some organization to them but at the same time I would think it could have been gone through.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

This afternoon after seeing the pictures of JA, ZA, and DA in court today and compare with them the pictures of JA (especially) and ZA to last year's pictures in court, I find them very different in actions and demeanor. Then I think about the defense attorneys claims of not receiving discovery. Obviously, these two have seen something to change their courtroom behavior. I think they have probably seen enough to know they will be found guilty.

:seeya: Hi pearl ! Yes, I agree that their demeanor was different, especially JA ... no smiling and waving at his momma this time like he's done before !

I know I sound like a "broken record" -- lol -- but I do believe that "mysterious video" has surfaced ...

:thinking: Or maybe something else that will secure these 3 the DP.

:moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Am I the only one who thinks it would be completely possible to have gone through most, if not all, of that info in the time since it has been given? Don't these guys have paralegals to help with that? I agree that they should have had some organization to them but at the same time I would think it could have been gone through.

:seeya: Hi Dogface !

IIRC, at the first arraignment which was over a year ago, it was stated that there was over 10,000 pages of evidence ...

Now IMO, IF these 10,000 pages would have been turned over to the defense last year, then yes, they would have had ample time this past year to go through that portion of the discovery.

But today, we heard that there is "4 Terabytes" of evidence, and I have no idea how many pages these 4 TBs translate into ...

Maybe one of our Tech people can help out here ... TIA !

No doubt, these attorneys have a lot of reading to do ...

And I'm available to help ... I'll start with 1 Terabyte ... :hilarious: !

 

[scapa]

^^^

Hard to translate terabytes into pages, since text is not storage intensive. In the computer/media research lab I run, a 4 TB drive would be standard size for one of our backups. That drive would hold, easily, our media library, comprising thousands of titles in DVD or higher-definition formats.

No doubt this file dump contains a range of text, image, audio and video evidence. But I'd estimate it's a lot more than 10,000 pages and if uncatalogued will be a major challenge for even a well-staffed defence team to get through.

best,

s

 

[SteveS]

Didn't the judge scold the media? Why would they jeopardize a gag order and run this special report?

Because he can't stop them from reporting whatever they know. His threat of a gag order has no effect on a reporter, and if aimed in their direction, it's just bluster.

 

[StillMindmatters]

Looking for Oceanblueeyes to answer a question if she is around. Ok, in going back and reading some of your posts about this case I wanted to ask you (or anyone who may know) if you know of a verifiable transcript, or other legal documentation (Arrest Warrants), as to what (John) Dylan Adams told investigators about the crime that resulted in his being charged with Rape and Tampering with Evidence. Are the Arrest Warrants available to the public or are they under seal? Thanks in advance.

BTW, I find it to be a very interesting development that Dylan is now being charged with murder in addition to multiple counts of rape with this new Prosecutor. Also, very good news that discovery docs are now and continue to be in the hands of the DT because perhaps this signifies moving toward a timely trial date.

 

[Chainsaw385]

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but the defense attorneys have made it very clear they haven't received evidence, don't think there's a case, etc. Hopefully we'll see more soon. They promised it'll come within a month. Of course they've promised discovery before, so who knows if they'll meet that deadline, but I see no sign that the defense thinks there's a strong case.

If we took every defense attorney's word that there was no evidence against their clients.Over crowding in prisons would no longer be a problem.

It certainly appears after the judge ruled on the defense motion to dismiss the special prosecutor.The defense was given another large volume of discovery.You do remember that until that motion was ruled on there was no "official" prosecutor in this case in which to provide the discovery to the defense.

Anyhow.......the defense is no longer claiming they have not received any discovery.It is actually the opposite they are complaining the discovery files are too large.

Rest assured the defense is not done yet filling motions to dismiss but they are not going to win any of them.And the public is not going to see ANY of the evidence one second before the jury does.If anything else gets leaked expect a gag order.

I may be wrong with this part and if so stand corrected .......forensic evidence is a bit different when it comes to discovery rules and that is probably why it is lagging behind the other items.I would say this part of the discovery will be handed over within the 7 days now that the full range of charges LE wanted to press have now made their way thru court.

 

[SteveS]

It's hard to know how much there is to process in 4 TB of data, because one picture, video, or audio recording eats up way more bytes than a page of text does.

If it was text only, however, it's an absurdity that they could possibly have that much actual evidence accumulated, and even more impossible for the defense to go through it all. Ever.

As a point of reference -

"The 2010 edition (the last print-edition that Encyclopedia Britannica will ever publish) consists of 32 volumes and weighs 129 pounds. (Source) At 50 million words or about 300 million characters, it requires roughly 1 gigabyte to store the text electronically."

The average reader reads about 200 words per minute. If one began reading for 8 solid hours per day, with no breaks, no time for note taking, no stopping to discuss anything discovered or explore further, and no days off, it would take about 1 1/2 years to simply read the entire 32-vol EB.

If the 4TB of evidence was all text, there would be 4000 times as much - or the equivalent of 4000 different sets of 32-vol EBs - in that 4TB of info and data given.

 

[StillMindmatters]

I know I sound like a "broken record" -- lol -- but I do believe that "mysterious video" has surfaced ...

Respectfully snipped for focus...

BBM--DGC, what leads you to believe this? Is it the additional charges as well as seeking the DP for ALL three now?

For me, it is fascinating that after all the issues that have arisen in this case, at the end of the day the DA/Prosecutor has secured additional indictments for each of the defendants and that they are confident enough to go for the DP. Hell, IIRC, the Murders of Channon Christian/Christopher Newsom in Knoxville had four total defendants with two brothers identified as the central perpetrators, who committed the most atrocious acts of brutality, sadism, and horrific torture on their helpless victims, were DP cases and only one of them received the DP. And there was a hell of a lot of forensic and physical evidence against those 2 men. So it just makes me wonder what they actually do have in this case.

 

[Chainsaw385]

It's hard to know how much there is to process in 4 TB of data, because one picture, video, or audio recording eats up way more bytes than a page of text does.

If it was text only, however, it's an absurdity that they could possibly have that much actual evidence accumulated, and even more impossible for the defense to go through it all. Ever.

I would think crime scene photos and videos....photos and videos of them executing the search warrant would be included in this.Good chance videos of the suspects being interrogated might be in there also.

Probably plenty of documents that are basically worthless to this case but included anyhow are mixed in there.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I feel relieved.

BRING. IT. ON.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

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