Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #7

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  • #161
If they have a hair from the house, and the body from the woods nearby, plus Dylan's testimony (whatever it really is), then they've got pretty good evidence.

I'm from Tennessee, and sadly I've seen boys and men wearing those types of Crocs many times over the years. I don't get it as a fashion statement, but people really do wear those! The worst are the Orange ones for TN football.

ETA: What if those crocs belonged to Zach's grandfather and he was just borrowing them?
 
  • #162
If they have a hair from the house, and the body from the woods nearby, plus Dylan's testimony (whatever it really is), then they've got pretty good evidence.

LOL as reported, that certainly isn't what I would call "good"evidence!

Report said that a year ago they were "hoping" it might be a related hair, but didn't say there's evidence that it was. And the body wasn't found especially "nearby" to the Adams house - yep it was found in the same county where she lived, and where he lived, but otherwise we've heard nothing that links either defendant to that site. And the crocs evidence was vague at best. Really sounds like their indictment was from "Dylan said so, and we hope we have some things that could help support his claims" and a lot of if's, maybe's, and hopes.
 
  • #163
Well, I guess if he really did rape her, he'd obviously have disrobed from the original camo outfit. It's not too much of a stretch to think of him throwing on shorts and crocs.
 
  • #164
For the sake of disclosure, I'll stay upfront that I think everything Dylan said is bogus, but let's say he actually did witness something like this:

*Did Clint say the kidnapper was wearing shorts? When I picture someone wearing camo, like if I'm going to describe someone as wearing camo, I would probably only describe it that way if they were wearing head to toe camo, like camo pants and a coat. It would be unusual if Zach wore camo shorts and a camo jacket (who wears shorts and a jacket), so the only logical conclusion is that he changed clothes. Kind of a weird thing to do after kidnapping someone. I mean, maybe he had Holly's blood on him so he changed clothes, but still weird. Also, as Steve noted, crocs are a strange footwear choice with camo

*How likely would it be for Dylan, who is mentally disabled, to be able to describe everyone's clothing in such detail? I *might* be able to remember what my kids are wearing if I picked their clothing out, but most people just don't notice that kind of thing, especially a couple years later. Yet, he noticed specifics like Zach's wearing crocs? (My vision of how this interrogation went was something like "We know someone was wearing crocs and camo, it was Zach, wasn't it???")

Those were also my thoughts after reading the article.

For someone ( especially a guy) to recall colors of clothing and chairs and footwear is very unusual . Especially weeks or months after the incident.

Not only that , he claims his brother refused to let him come further into the house and threatened him if he told anyone what he saw .... but THEN claims his brother TOLD HIM he had raped Holly and videotaped it

It just doesn't sound right to me. I am a guy , I have a good memory , but I could not tell you what I was wearing YESTERDAY unless I looked in the laundry hamper.
 
  • #165
Crocs were really popular in my area around this time. I could see someone who was into camo buying camo crocs. Imo

I agree nitsirk. I live in the north GA mountains where there are a lot of streams and creeks. Many outdoorsmen/women wear Crocs due to their grip on slippery creek rocks..
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  • #166
Dylan Adams charged in rape, murder of Holly Bobo

Posted: May 20, 2015 2:00 PM Updated: May 20, 2015 3:06 PM
DECATURVILLE, TN (WSMV) -
Dylan Adams now faces charges for the alleged kidnapping, rape and murder of nursing student Holly Bobo.


Read more: http://www.wsmv.com/story/29117545/dylan-adams-charged-in-rape-murder-of-holly-bobo#ixzz3aigLMJhL

thx pieper4

same link

In Bobo's kidnapping, the charges say it was done with the use of a deadly weapon, and the kidnapping caused serious bodily injury.

Dylan Adams faces three counts of aggravated rape. Those charges read aggravated rape with a deadly weapon, aggravated rape with serious bodily injury and aggravated rape with one or more persons.

He is also charged with first-degree murder in perpetration of a kidnapping and rape.


Read more: http://www.wsmv.com/story/29117545/dylan-adams-charged-in-rape-murder-of-holly-bobo#ixzz3aihfTaKF
 
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If they have a hair from the house, and the body from the woods nearby, plus Dylan's testimony (whatever it really is), then they've got pretty good evidence.

I'm from Tennessee, and sadly I've seen boys and men wearing those types of Crocs many times over the years. I don't get it as a fashion statement, but people really do wear those! The worst are the Orange ones for TN football.

ETA: What if those crocs belonged to Zach's grandfather and he was just borrowing them?


We don't have confirmation that the hair tested as Holly's. Without DNA, it's going to be pretty worthless as evidence. I'd wager that 99%+ of American households have a stray blond hair hanging around. Have a blonde friend or relative come visit you just once and you have a blonde hair in your house. Now, maybe they've tested it in the interim and it proved to be Holly's, but it's a little suspicious that they haven't turned that over to the defense if so.

Hopefully there is something that points to that croc print being Holly's kidnapper, like scuff marks or the print in her blood or something. Otherwise, there's really nothing that points to that croc as being from being useful in the case. Maybe if it matched the size of something Zach had in his closet. But unfortunately, as you say, it's popular footwear. Anyone could've left it at any time.

Also, they're charging Dylan, so who knows if he's plannign to testify. Hopefully they've found some new forensic evidence in the mean time.
 
  • #169
did they ever find the supposed video?
 
  • #170

It seems abundantly clear to me that they don't have a forensic case, their rape charges didn't work to make Dylan agree to testify, and now they're hoping murder charges are the golden ticket. They have 13 days left to get their case together so the judge won't toss the case for lack of evidence. That poor kid. I have no idea if Autry or Zach did anything to Holly, but it seems clear to me that Dylan is the pawn in this game. Disgusting.
 
  • #171
did they ever find the supposed video?

Nope. Not that they've released. They never recharged Mark Pearcy, so I'd say no.
 
  • #172
LOL as reported, that certainly isn't what I would call "good"evidence!

Report said that a year ago they were "hoping" it might be a related hair, but didn't say there's evidence that it was. And the body wasn't found especially "nearby" to the Adams house - yep it was found in the same county where she lived, and where he lived, but otherwise we've heard nothing that links either defendant to that site. And the crocs evidence was vague at best. Really sounds like their indictment was from "Dylan said so, and we hope we have some things that could help support his claims" and a lot of if's, maybe's, and hopes.

It sounds to me like they may have found a pair of shoes at the ZA residence that were an exact match to a print taken from the Bobo carport.....all the while matching what DA said his brother was wearing that day.

What is even more interesting is DA saying the rape was videotaped.For some time I have thought the witness that said she saw a portion of that video was mistaken to what she actually saw.But if she had no contact with DA and no other means of knowing what DA had claimed.This becomes something that is very alarming and has me wondering more about this subject.
 
  • #173
Where did you hear that they found crocs at Zach's house?
 
  • #174
:eek: Holy Smokes !

Just saw the latest news -- that Dylan has now been charged with kidnapping and murder ...

:seeya: Off to read and catch up on this latest.
 
  • #175
Here's the new charges for all three. Alternate theory means one or more are saying the other one did it. Figured that was going on long ago. Two against one it looks like. JA & ZA against DA, most likely?

1. First-degree murder in the perpetration of kidnapping
2. Especially aggravated kidnapping
3. Especially aggravated kidnapping (alternate theory)
4. First-degree murder in the perpetration of rape
5. Aggravated rape
6. Aggravated rape (alternate theory)
7. Aggravated rape (alternate theory)
8. Premeditated first degree murder

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/2...ew-charges-in-holly-bobo-murder-investigation
 
  • #176
About the print of the shoe. The testing of tire & shoe prints are as helpful as fingerprints. Each have their own distinct markings. How a person wears there shoe, a divet out of the sole leaves a mark etc...how a car is out of alignment wears down one tire more etc..lots of info online how they use it to id.
 
  • #177
MY OPINIONS ONLY, NO FACTS HERE:

PART III OF THE HOLLY BOBO CASE

I have not been posting here for quite some time, but of course have been reading the many insightful posts in the current thread about this fascinating case during my long absence.

OK, here goes:
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So many, many suspects, so much time to wait for disclosure of Prosecution Discovery evidence to the Defense……Is it just me, or does this case seem to be dragging on forever and ever? Why has nobody confessed and copped a plea-deal by this late date? Very odd. Could they be the wrong guys? And now, one critical potential witness has committed suicide….. and the kidnapper wore hippie leisure shoes?! Somehow, I had pictured laced-up black Army ankle-high leather boots.
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PART III, THE GOOCH ROAD EVIDENCE:

Please see my previous PART I at “Holly Bobo missing from TN discussion thread” *Arrests* #5, post no. 571 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...deceased-discussion-thread-*Arrests*-5/page23) and PART II at “Holly Bobo missing from TN discussion thread” *Arrests* #5, post no. 583 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...deceased-discussion-thread-*Arrests*-5/page24), if you have not previously viewed these posts. Note that I correctly predicted in my older PART II post [shortly BEFORE Holly’s remains were found]: “any local perpetrator would probably assume that police will arrive from the south. So, any local perpetrator would head north from the abduction site”. We now know that Holly’s remains were found almost directly north from her abduction site and not extraordinarily far away from her home (but further north than I expected). Regarding and following this event of the discovery of Holly’s remains, I previously provided an analysis of the remains at: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...deceased-discussion-thread-*Arrests*-5/page50 . [post 1236].

I prepared a map specifically for this Part III chapter post, but the map available at Websleuths (which now shows the site where Holly’s remains were found) is workmanlike and well-conceived, so utilize that map if you require it, at https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewe...217,-88.175486&spn=0.007617,0.013057&t=h&z=17.

I have previously posted a complete timeline for the Holly Bobo case at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eDiA-amp-TiMeLiNe-only!-*NO-DISCUSSION*/page9
Just scroll down and you will find my complete and detailed timeline posted in two consecutive posts (posts #215-216). My timeline is very long, involved, and mechanically-boring, so only those truly obsessed with solving this case should bother to read all of it.

My originally-intended post for this Part III chapter of the Holly Bobo case became far too large and complex, so I basically abandoned it. From my complete timeline for the Holly Bobo case, here are my original entries regarding the Gooch Road evidence:
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Evening, APRIL 14 to ?15?, 2011

?A local landowner? discovered Holly’s white sling-bag/lunch box [also called a “lunch purse” by authorities] along a creek about 6 to 8 miles from her abduction site. (This should also represent the so-called ‘Bible Hill discovery’, although it is said to actually ?be on Gooch Road?) (I prefer the 14th for this find, rather than the 15th, based upon ?the very earliest news accounts?). (Note that this version of the discovery is confusing because the earliest reports talked about ‘searchers’, but the initial find was possibly ?made by one local landowner?. ?Perhaps the police and volunteers immediately went to the site and contributed to the discoveries?). (There are limited internet rumors about ?blood on Holly’s white sling-bag/lunch box?). In my opinion, the location of this evidence is the seminal aspect of the Holly Bobo case and the ultimate key to its understanding. Let me explain my personal opinions further- the perpetrator may have planted this evidence to misdirect the investigation towards someone else (someone he disliked and/or who he figured would then become a principal suspect) –OR- the position of this evidence is directly relevant to the identity/general location/path of the perpetrator. No third possibility occurs to me. In my opinion, the location of this evidence is not random in any scenario- it has real meaning to the astute investigator.

ON OR ABOUT APRIL 16 or 17, 2011 daytime:

(?The volunteer search is moved to the Gooch Road/Bible Hill area. The apocryphal duct tape with hair and additional items may refer to this locality, a day or two later into this search?). (Anyway, ?additional items may have been recovered?, leading to odd and somewhat unbelievable internet rumors of ?the discovery of lipstick, chapstick, jeans, a dollar bill with Holly’s name, and two pages from a Psychology textbook with Holly’s name on the pages?). It is not perfectly clear to me if these provocative but questionable internet rumors are all directed at discoveries in the Gooch Road area or elsewhere. But, unless and until confirmed officially, BEWARE these possibly mythical reports!
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One of my favorite episodes of Sherlock Holmes (with the incomparable late actor Jeremy Brett) is the "Musgrave Ritual". Here are my personal modifications of the "Musgrave Ritual" by Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Doyle for the Holly Bobo case (with apologies to the original author!!):

Whose was it?
She who has gone.
Who has taken it?
ONE who is known and ONE to be named.
What was the month?
The fourth from the first.
Where was the sun?
Low towards the East.
Where were the shadows?
Long towards the shed.
How was it stepped?
North by five and by eight,
east by ten and by twenty, and not under.
What shall we give for it?
All that is ours.
Why should we give it?
For the sake of the truth.

I agree with what Sherlock Holmes said in the “Naval Treaty” episode: “it would be absurd to deny that this case is abstruse and complicated”. If there were not around a half-dozen (including one recently-deceased by suicide) men now implicated/mentioned in some fashion by prosecutors in the Holly Bobo case, we might view the whole affair more simply and rationally than we presently do. Indeed, how many basic abduction and murder cases of one young woman so thoroughly discombobulate the sleuth and encompass so many ‘usual suspects’, before, during and after the fact? The official story reads like a lurid novel. This does not mean that some of the currently named suspects will not lose in a court of law; only that the collective factors of science, justice, official intrigue, politics and revenge sometimes become so impossibly intertwined that the full truth and penultimate revelation are rendered impossible to history.

I will capitalize portions of the below statements to represent my emphasis: HOLLY BOBO WAS NOT IN THE VEHICLE AND ALIVE WHEN THE GOOCH ROAD EVIDENCE WAS TOSSED. A perpetrator does not toss extraneous physical evidence more than a mile or so from an abduction scene WHEN THE KIDNAPPED VICTIM IS STILL ALIVE AND WITH THEM. Any extraneous physical evidence is far less-damning/problematic at that particular point in time and travel than the LIVING VICTIM themselves. And remember, from logical analysis of my timeline, the Gooch Road evidence was likely tossed on the day (i.e. morning) of the abduction. In my opinion, the mere existence of the Gooch Road evidence (if it exists!) is the Rosetta Stone for understanding this particular mystery.

So, what are some of my personal points of interest in this most fascinating case? (not to be confused with the contra-indications of evidence discussed in the introduction to my original Holly Bobo case timeline- these are equally important; particularly what the tracking dog ‘saw’).

1: Holly’s brother is the ONLY material witness and he reported only ONE abductor.

2: Holly’s brother’s description of this ONE abductor is too short in stature to match the height of the two originally-arrested suspects; he saw a man of maximum 70-inch to 72-inch height (depending upon his personal 70-inch estimation or the maximum of the FBI height-range); the first-arrested two main suspects range from 75 to 78 inches in height, being larger and likely of significantly-different body proportions than the material witness observation. (for example, see my post at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...deceased-discussion-thread-*Arrests*-5/page23). [#571].

3: The abductor was INTIMATELY, if not MYSTERIOUSLY well-acquainted with the manners of Holly’s household on any day of the week, as well as the precise distribution of the property and outbuildings/structures (to hide within or behind or under). He knew almost exactly when Holly, as well as her mother and father were leaving for work or school. He knew that Holly would exit from the rear of her home that day and not the front, and estimated that her brother was not home, OR would not be otherwise available to successfully forestall her abduction. The abductor arrived early and likely hid in an old outbuilding behind the house. All of this does NOT suggest that the abductor was mentally-challenged in the slightest. Instead, cleverness and insight are implied.

4: The location of Holly’s remains as well as the Gooch Road evidence site are equally significant. One kidnapper acting alone could have committed the abduction, driven north from the abduction site, placed Holly’s body, backtracked south and then turned east onto Gooch Road to plant key evidence there (for reasons discussed in my full timeline), AND made it to work or back home on time to establish a partial or complete alibi. BUT, the abductor probably had previous experiences (hunting, recreating, etc.) near the site where the remains were discovered. The abductor knew the region well. Let me remind you; from my timeline, the abductor spent some time arguing with Holly Bobo, before taking her into the adjacent woods by her home. This WAS NOT a random stranger, or a distant seldom-seen thrice-removed relative. The abductor KNEW Holly Bobo well.

5: Whereas I personally find it insensible and irrational that five or six male friends or friends-of-friends or sometimes-acquaintances should risk the death penalty to combine forces before-during-and-after-the-fact and play a collective role in the abduction, murder, and cover-up of the Holly Bobo case (with whom most had scant or no provably-significant prior associations); I find it logical that ONE jealous/angry man who had prior meaningful associations with Holly Bobo could have possessed the motive, means, and opportunity to carry out the entire crime by himself. Having said all of this, ONE jealous/angry man could have had a cheerleader-of-sorts around the time of the crime- an unnamed person. Someone who further provoked and encouraged him to complete the task, but was not physically-involved in the actual abduction and possessed additional motives. This second hypothetical person should have had some sort of historical relationships with the abductor AND Holly Bobo.

Everything above is ‘just saying’. Take it all with a grain of salt. I am just some random guy in cyberspace.

Part IV of the Holly Bobo case, the cell phone evidence, is still being worked on. This is the toughest chapter, because I am unsure if this evidence even exists as ‘reported’. But, I hope this evidence exists.

Sleuth On!
 
  • #178
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but so much of what you cite there as "facts" are things that are guesses rather than facts, and many I doubt are even true. So working from those as a foundation, depending on premises that aren't facts, we will end up with unreliable conclusions.:twocents:
 
  • #179
What was your family wearing April 13, 2011? What were they wearing last thursday? Choose any random date, even a date with something surprising and memorable happening and describe what everyone was wearing down to their shoes. Try it.

Nothing remarkable happened on those days therefore I have no need to recollect.

My point really is that no one here can say that Dylan is too mentally challenged to be able to remember things properly or accurately. His mental difficulties are merely rumor by his mother thus far.
 
  • #180
<modsnip> It has been a very long four years for everyone, especially for the Bobo family and their friends. Most missing and murdered persons cases are marathons as opposed to sprints... The Holly Bobo case has been synonymous to a 'Super Decathlon'.. Folks, imo we are now in the home stretch and can finally see the finish line of justice on the horizon...
Imo, we will all soon learn the truth of Holly Bobo's tragic, abduction, torture, and murder.. Actually, imo, we have known for over a year what Holly endured based on the following article;

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TBI director: Bobo suspect tried smuggling meth into jail

I've been battling this meth issue for a long time," Gwyn said.

Gwyn then mentioned a name that those like state Sen. John Stevens, R-Huntingdon, didn't expect to hear: Holly Bobo.

"That was surprising to me that that was brought up, but it's relevant," Stevens said.


It's relevant in this hearing because Gwyn said Bobo's case has to do with meth.

"I worked one of the first methamphetamine-related murders back into the 90s, where a guy kidnapped two young men, tortured them for seven days, killed both of them, threw them off into Center Hill Lake," Gwyn said. "Fast-forward to 2014, and I thought in my career that would be the only time I would ever see anything like that."


For the past three years, the TBI has put hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into finding Bobo, the nursing student who disappeared from her Parsons, TN, home back in 2011.

But, last week, came a big break in the case.

"We made an arrest. Lo and behold, the person has several meth-related charges. And the night we arrested him, he was trying to get meth into the jail," Gwyn said.

That person is Adams, who was first taken to the Decatur County Jail. The TBI says Adams smuggled meth into jail when he was transferred to Chester County.

Adams' arrest history shows that for years he's been in and out of jail for drugs and violence.

"At what point do we not stop this?" Gwyn asked.

It's a cycle Gwyn wants to see end.


Read more: http://www.fox10tv.com/story/249494...-tried-smuggling-meth-into-jail#ixzz3amAnRg00
 
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