Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #7

[Suthrnqt]

Just a note for those interested...

The Wikipedia article on Holly's Murder has recently been extended with some interesting stuff. I read some things there that I did not know before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Holly_Bobo

What a great find. Some interesting stuff there. :thumbup:

 

[charminglane]

I agree.
Good synopsis.

 

[shefner]

Shefner, I could be mistaken, but I thought the neighbor called Holly's mom which prompted Karen to call 911.

I don't remember reading that the neighbor called 911 herself.

I will try to look back and see if I can find something about this...its so hard because nothing official was released about the 911 calls.
But the neighbor heard the scream...or in some accounts it was the neighbor's adult son who was leaving for work heard the scream and told his mom to call 911 because something was wrong. And there was much discussion about how Clint never heard the scream since he was so close.

My understanding is that Clint called his mom asking about why Holly was leaving the yard with her boyfriend...and this prompted Karen to say, "Get the gun...that's not her boyfriend." At that time, she called Holly and then called 911.

I never really understood who the 3rd person was that called 911, but I was thinking it might be Clint.

These were the three calls, as I remember it. I could be wrong because so much time has past..but we discussed these calls for weeks in the early threads. And the truth is, we simply had so little to go on. And don't we still? How sad...

 

[shefner]

Ok....on Thread #25, post #322, Frogzilla gives a link to an article by WREG news station. The article is no longer available online...but someone has cropped and screen captured the article.

This is where the different 911 calls are mentioned. Actually, 4 calls are brought up in this article, including a call by the Bobo's neighbor, a call by Karen, another call by Karen (?), and a call by Clint.

However, some articles mention 2 calls...and one article says that the Sheriff says 2 calls were made to different 911 centers. It is all very confusing.
I think the more recent articles mention 2 calls...so perhaps that's an effort to clear up the earlier discussion about various calls?

If you start reading the original threads in Holly's case, you will see there was mass confusion. Even the Bobo's had several different takes on the morning of Holly's disappearance. I'm sure that's because it was traumatic. But it makes it very challenging to figure out the details.

Wish LE would help us out so we could know for sure. All of us wanted the calls released...not only the calls but the names of the people who made them, along with the times.

 

[Tugela]

Ok....on Thread #25, post #322, Frogzilla gives a link to an article by WREG news station. The article is no longer available online...but someone has cropped and screen captured the article.

This is where the different 911 calls are mentioned. Actually, 4 calls are brought up in this article, including a call by the Bobo's neighbor, a call by Karen, another call by Karen (?), and a call by Clint.

However, some articles mention 2 calls...and one article says that the Sheriff says 2 calls were made to different 911 centers. It is all very confusing.
I think the more recent articles mention 2 calls...so perhaps that's an effort to clear up the earlier discussion about various calls?

If you start reading the original threads in Holly's case, you will see there was mass confusion. Even the Bobo's had several different takes on the morning of Holly's disappearance. I'm sure that's because it was traumatic. But it makes it very challenging to figure out the details.

Wish LE would help us out so we could know for sure. All of us wanted the calls released...not only the calls but the names of the people who made them, along with the times.

Accounts change over time because memory is plastic and alters in response to things that happen later, particularly in retelling. It is normal. The first account is usually the most accurate. Subsequent accounts that materially differ are probably distorted.

 

[Tugela]

Ok....on Thread #25, post #322, Frogzilla gives a link to an article by WREG news station. The article is no longer available online...but someone has cropped and screen captured the article.

This is where the different 911 calls are mentioned. Actually, 4 calls are brought up in this article, including a call by the Bobo's neighbor, a call by Karen, another call by Karen (?), and a call by Clint.

However, some articles mention 2 calls...and one article says that the Sheriff says 2 calls were made to different 911 centers. It is all very confusing.
I think the more recent articles mention 2 calls...so perhaps that's an effort to clear up the earlier discussion about various calls?

If you start reading the original threads in Holly's case, you will see there was mass confusion. Even the Bobo's had several different takes on the morning of Holly's disappearance. I'm sure that's because it was traumatic. But it makes it very challenging to figure out the details.

Wish LE would help us out so we could know for sure. All of us wanted the calls released...not only the calls but the names of the people who made them, along with the times.

I'm not sure that information would really help much. If we assume that what the family and neighbors say is substantially correct, then a scenario becomes a real possibility, taking into account the events that happened that morning as per various accounts.

As I said before, IMO the circumstances are most consistent with a situation where an individual or individuals came looking for someone, did not find them, and took HB instead because she was connected to that person and was physically there at the time.

So, what would be consistent with that? One scenario is that this individual/s were angry or offended by HB's boyfriend, enough so that they would go looking for him right away. In this scenario they would have heard through the grapevine that the boyfriend was planning to go hunting on Bobo property that morning, and they would have assumed that meant the forest near the Bobo's house. So they went looking for him in the forest, but didn't find him (since he was actually on the grandmothers property). If they believed that he was on the Bobo property, but wasn't in the forest, the next logical place to look was the Bobo house. So they walked over there and encountered HB as she was leaving. Knowing that she was the girlfriend of the guy they were looking for, they would have interrogated her. So, a lot of angry questions, some of which may have resulted in the "Why? No." response. When they didn't get the cooperation they wanted, they would have smacked her around some. That would have resulted in the scream and the blood. Then, realizing that the boyfriend was in fact somewhere else, they took HB with them back to the forest (and presumably their car) as a bargaining chip to get the boyfriend to come to them. Initially perhaps it involved one individual looking for the boyfriend (perhaps on orders), and then drawn in others when she was taken somewhere else for storage while they figured out what to do next.

But then the Bobo's called in LE, the story hit the news and at that point they realized that she had to be killed to cover it all up, otherwise the individual/s would be going to jail for a long time and they knew it. In a scenario like this, other people may have known about the dispute between the boyfriend and the individual as well, since someone would have had to tell the individual where to find the boyfriend (Note: the boyfriend himself may have been completely oblivious to the trouble heading his way). Once the case hit the news rumors would have started up very quickly locally, and that is apparently what happened. In this scenario, HB's brother would have been completely in the dark as to what was going on, but the mother may have had some inkling that trouble was brewing around the boyfriend from conversations with HB.

So, a completely unplanned spur of the moment event that resulted in HB being taken and eventually killed basically because she happened to leave her house at the worst possible time. If she had not, the story may have ended with the boyfriend being beaten up at some later point and we would never have heard about it at all.

IMO that is a scenario which should be considered to explain the events of the day.

 

[shefner]

I'm not sure that information would really help much. If we assume that what the family and neighbors say is substantially correct, then a scenario becomes a real possibility, taking into account the events that happened that morning as per various accounts.

As I said before, IMO the circumstances are most consistent with a situation where an individual or individuals came looking for someone, did not find them, and took HB instead because she was connected to that person and was physically there at the time.

So, what would be consistent with that? One scenario is that this individual/s were angry or offended by HB's boyfriend, enough so that they would go looking for him right away. In this scenario they would have heard through the grapevine that the boyfriend was planning to go hunting on Bobo property that morning, and they would have assumed that meant the forest near the Bobo's house. So they went looking for him in the forest, but didn't find him (since he was actually on the grandmothers property). If they believed that he was on the Bobo property, but wasn't in the forest, the next logical place to look was the Bobo house. So they walked over there and encountered HB as she was leaving. Knowing that she was the girlfriend of the guy they were looking for, they would have interrogated her. So, a lot of angry questions, some of which may have resulted in the "Why? No." response. When they didn't get the cooperation they wanted, they would have smacked her around some. That would have resulted in the scream and the blood. Then, realizing that the boyfriend was in fact somewhere else, they took HB with them back to the forest (and presumably their car) as a bargaining chip to get the boyfriend to come to them. Initially perhaps it involved one individual looking for the boyfriend (perhaps on orders), and then drawn in others when she was taken somewhere else for storage while they figured out what to do next.

But then the Bobo's called in LE, the story hit the news and at that point they realized that she had to be killed to cover it all up, otherwise the individual/s would be going to jail for a long time and they knew it. In a scenario like this, other people may have known about the dispute between the boyfriend and the individual as well, since someone would have had to tell the individual where to find the boyfriend (Note: the boyfriend himself may have been completely oblivious to the trouble heading his way). Once the case hit the news rumors would have started up very quickly locally, and that is apparently what happened. In this scenario, HB's brother would have been completely in the dark as to what was going on, but the mother may have had some inkling that trouble was brewing around the boyfriend from conversations with HB.

So, a completely unplanned spur of the moment event that resulted in HB being taken and eventually killed basically because she happened to leave her house at the worst possible time.

IMO that is a scenario which should be considered to explain the events of the day.

The main problem with this particular scenario is that the property where Drew and his father were hunting was not very near the Bobo's house. The property was located away, at the property of a relative (the grandmother). I do not think the property is adjacent to the Holly's but I will research.

I believe Holly was the target but not simply because of her looks. There are varying reports and rumors, which we shall not discuss in this forum. But I believe are things that we do not know...and perhaps things we cannot know....and this is what makes this particular crime so difficult to not only understand, but to prosecute.

 

[shefner]

Here is the article that states that the relative's property was "on the other side of Decatur County." The property where Drew Scott and his father were turkey hunting consisted of 60 acres on the south side of the county.


http://archive.jacksonsun.com/artic...econstruct-time-before-Holly-Bobo-s-abduction

 

[Tugela]

The main problem with this particular scenario is that the property where Drew and his father were hunting was not very near the Bobo's house. The property was located away, at the property of a relative (the grandmother). I do not think the property is adjacent to the Holly's but I will research.

I believe Holly was the target but not simply because of her looks. There are varying reports and rumors, which we shall not discuss in this forum. But I believe are things that we do not know...and perhaps things we cannot know....and this is what makes this particular crime so difficult to not only understand, but to prosecute.

It is irrelevant where the grandmothers property was in this scenario, since the "individual" would have heard that the boyfriend was hunting on Bobo property, and assumed it was where Holly lived. The information would have come from some third party, and usually that sort of information is vague and not particularly accurate, so the individual went to the wrong location. The fact that the boyfriend was actually somewhere completely different is what resulted in the "individual" going to the house to look for him after failing to find him in the woods outside.

 

[shefner]

It is irrelevant where the grandmothers property was in this scenario, since the "individual" would have heard that the boyfriend was hunting on Bobo property, and assumed it was where Holly lived. The information would have come from some third party, and usually that sort of information is vague and not particularly accurate, so the individual went to the wrong location. The fact that the boyfriend was actually somewhere completely different is what resulted in the "individual" going to the house to look for him after failing to find him in the woods outside.

I think if Drew was the target then these men would have found him...or would have at least contacted him to harass him. There would be a cell phone trail of contacts back and forth on that April morning.
It's an interesting theory though and one we considered early on. We most heavily discussed if Clint was the target and perhaps Holly covered for him. But this seems unlikely also.
The A Train is bad to the bone. If they wanted someone, they would find him. I have felt from the start that there are several puzzle pieces missing in this case. Without them, the picture is not complete. All of the infighting we have seen among the different LE agencies leads me to believe that there is more going on than meets the eye...and that prosecuting this case without releasing those classified details might prove problematic.
All I can say is this case is not simple...at all.


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[scriptgirl]

What is the A train and why would they be looking for Holly's bf?

 

[Chainsaw385]

One scenario is that this individual/s were angry or offended by HB's boyfriend, enough so that they would go looking for him right away. In this scenario they would have heard through the grapevine that the boyfriend was planning to go hunting on Bobo property that morning, and they would have assumed that meant the forest near the Bobo's house. So they went looking for him in the forest, but didn't find him (since he was actually on the grandmothers property). If they believed that he was on the Bobo property, but wasn't in the forest, the next logical place to look was the Bobo house. So they walked over there and encountered HB as she was leaving. Knowing that she was the girlfriend of the guy they were looking for, they would have interrogated her. So, a lot of angry questions, some of which may have resulted in the "Why? No." response. When they didn't get the cooperation they wanted, they would have smacked her around some. That would have resulted in the scream and the blood. Then, realizing that the boyfriend was in fact somewhere else, they took HB with them back to the forest (and presumably their car) as a bargaining chip to get the boyfriend to come to them. Initially perhaps it involved one individual looking for the boyfriend (perhaps on orders), and then drawn in others when she was taken somewhere else for storage while they figured out what to do next.

IMO that is a scenario which should be considered to explain the events of the day.

There are some huge problems with this scenario....below are 2 of the biggest

#1.....Why would they choose a time to confront Drew when he was certain to be armed with a rifle or shotgun?

#2.....Turkey hunters wear full camo....often even painting their faces....making it no easy task to walk into the "forest" and find him.Let alone make a positive ID from any distance at all.

So the plan these guys had was to enter the "forest" and confront every hunter they saw until they found Drew who was certain to be armed if they found him.....not to mention since he would be dressed in full camo a good chance he would see them first.

Granted most states have laws you have to display orange while moving when hunting turkeys but thinking these guys entered the woods looking for someone to confront while they were hunting is just too much of a stretch....Them staking out the house and then getting impatient and accosting HB would be much more believable.

I think Holly was strictly the target and he/they were in position around the house when she appeared.....being turkey season would also not attract attention being seen wearing camo ....parking a getaway vehicle along the road would not attract attention either because it would quickly be dismissed as a hunter's vehicle.

 

[Mercurydime]

What is the A train and why would they be looking for Holly's bf?

The "A-Train" is what some of the locals nicknamed the small band of druggys who are accused of murdering HB. Jason Autry, Zach and Dylan Adams, and Shayne Austin. All last names begin with "A".

No one, but perhaps LE has any idea if they were actually looking for Drew when they found Holly or not. It's just a speculation. The A-Train members were known for being drug addicted violent criminals.

P.S. Your question made me giggle.

 

[shefner]

Thanks Mercurydime for explaining the A-Train.

And, for the record, I don't believe that they were looking for Drew at all...I concur with Chainsaw's observations.


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[Mercurydime]

Thanks Mercurydime for explaining the A-Train.

And, for the record, I don't believe that they were looking for Drew at all...I concur with Chainsaw's observations.


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Something this conversation is bringing to mind... I never really thought about the absence of robbery in this case. Holly was right there with keys to her car, but no one stole her car, or as far as we know looted it. No one entered the house or broke into anything, or attempted to steal anything from what we know. Strange that unemployed drug addicts wouldn't take advantage of the situation.

IIRC it seems like LE wouldn't say if they found Holly's cell phone or not. What kind of drug addict wouldn't want a free cell phone? Must have been chaotic, or the perp was more interested in the abduction than feeding the habit - which is unusual.

 

[SteveS]

I'm wondering if LE has any hard evidence to link these accused bad guys to this crime. Other than the supposed information/confession by Dylan Adams, who I would regard as unreliable, I don't recall anything. Have I missed or forgotten something?

 

[jggordo]

Wasn't there discussion early on that DB had been involved with a minor girl, and was expelled from the family home for a period because of it? Could it be possible that the initial motive for all this as retribution for that involvement? Therefor "this is not what it seems". With the minor's identity never exposed or her relation to anyone, it would be held confidential.

I cannot find the link to that, so I will leave it as my opinion and question.

JMO's

 

[Mercurydime]

I'm wondering if LE has any hard evidence to link these accused bad guys to this crime. Other than the supposed information/confession by Dylan Adams, who I would regard as unreliable, I don't recall anything. Have I missed or forgotten something?

There was something about a blonde hair found in ZA's closet after the search of his property. Other than that, LE has been very tight lipped.

Then of course there was the debacle with the Percy brothers and the supposed cell phone video.

Also there was a 'Crocs' brand footprint outside the Bobo home. ZA wears Crocs.

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newscha...o-Murder-Suspects-To-The-Crime-304166301.html

 

[shefner]

There was something about a blonde hair found in ZA's closet after the search of his property. Other than that, LE has been very tight lipped.

Then of course there was the debacle with the Percy brothers and the supposed cell phone video.

Also there was a 'Crocs' brand footprint outside the Bobo home. ZA wears Crocs.

http://www.scrippsmedia.com/newscha...o-Murder-Suspects-To-The-Crime-304166301.html

Wow...thank you Mercurydime! I had never watched this news segment with this information. So much is going on in my life that I have missed some more recent news about Holly's case.

 

[lonetraveler]

What a great find. Some interesting stuff there. :thumbup:

I've learned more from this article than any I've read to date. I have to say it still confuses me to no end that after Holly's brother was told my his mother that the man out in the garage with Holly was not Drew and to shoot him, he still does not go outside to help Holly, instead he peeks out the window and watches the man lead Holly into the woods. Afterwards he picks up a weapon and goes outside??? If this information is indeed true, this is very disturbing to me and has always been disturbing.