Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #1 ***ARREST***

[Sincerely]

I don't put too much into ZA's FB post...but, I did go back and look at mine in April of 2011. I posted from my phone...but it showed that I posted from my phone. At that time it was LG Social that went beside or underneath my post. I don't see that on here:

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/24909729/accused-killer-you-never-was-you-stupid-wh

Maybe the news covered that up because it is a product (the name of the phone posted from)? Maybe not. I have a lot of faith in the investigators and realize they know a lot more than I do. I am certain there is solid evidence pointing to ZA. Even if this FB was posted from a home computer. Someone else could very well have posted for him. It was planned.

 

[pearl]

Here in Kentucky, the guys will spend one night coon hunting, then spend a week to find their dogs! Never made any sense to me.

Some hunting dogs cannot successfully backtrack. We had Tennessee walker coonhounds while I was growing up. One of those dogs could not backtrack. Also, my bassett hound could not backtrack, but I think this is true of the bassett hound breed. If we let him out of the fence, he would follow his nose and become lost in the woods beside our house.

 

[pearl]

My prayers include solace for the Bobo family. As a mother I do not ever want to face what Karen Bobo is dealing with. As a concerned citizen, I am appalled that ZA was not in jail and free to harm Holly in 2011. How many felony arrests had ZA had by 2011? What I would like to see happen is a news media investigate why LE was so lenient with ZA. In my opinion, this is negligence on their part. My family has always acted on the advice our father gave us when we were young, "If you have a mad dog, you better lock him up."

 

[angelainwi]

Have they posted his juvenile rap sheet?

 

[pieper4]

Some hunting dogs cannot successfully backtrack. We had Tennessee walker coonhounds while I was growing up. One of those dogs could not backtrack. Also, my bassett hound could not backtrack, but I think this is true of the bassett hound breed. If we let him out of the fence, he would follow his nose and become lost in the woods beside our house.

Some sporting dogs can't 'sport' at all. I have a rescued German shorthair who points just fine, but is afraid of his shadow and has no prey drive at all. No way he'd do anything but run like a maniac at a gun shot.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Have they posted his juvenile rap sheet?

FOIA records for juveniles in TN below from a random google search. So we should be seeing records if he did some pretty bad crimes back then. Might take them longer to release? I'm waiting and don't think I'll be surprised. They should be telling if he has some severe crimes at 14 and so on. But then again, when did he start doing meth? He's got a full set of teeth for sure. Extemely dark eyes though. Scary. This isn't to make fun of him but in that one mugshot from a few years ago, he looked like Lurch. jmo


Juvenile records

Most state open records laws contain an exemption for juvenile records, protective custody and delinquency records.4 For most juvenile records, access is limited to the juvenile, his or her parents or guardians, or other parties directly involved in a legal matter. Some states, such as Tennessee and Colorado, allow for some disclosure depending on the age of the juvenile and the severity of the crime. Tennessee will permit access in cases where the juvenile is 14 years old or older and is charged with a serious crime. Colorado will open records if the juvenile is 12 years old or older if he or she is charged with a violent crime.

http://www.rcfp.org/private-eyes/juvenile-records

 

[pieper4]

Ya know... I posted the other day saying I didn't 'see' meth-head in ZA's booking photos. I still don't for smoking it. Shooting it up, IDK? Not familiar with those addicts' appearances. So I was probably off-base in that post. My experience w/meth users is limited to those who smoke it (and that experience harkens back to my one daughter and numerous treatment settings, namely IOP, where I was around addicts trying to recover).

 

[MsFacetious]

My Aunt used meth and never had a typical meth appearance. She was thin, but that was it. :twocents:

Two things:

#1 I was so relieved to see the caption under the picture of all of those people gingerly eating at the coon hunt...they were eating beans. My mind wandered for a moment there. :facepalm:

#2 "You never was"...What do you think he was referring to when he said "was"? Pretty? I can't figure out what he is implying.

I thought he meant "you never was" like "you never existed because I just killed you/plan on killing you." :twocents:

My kids have literally slept through tornadoes before with lighting, thunder and wind. I don't find it strange at all. :twocents:

ETA: There was a house fire down the street once with sirens blaring from three fire engines and my husband slept through the whole thing.

My Dad slept through an earthquake... while my mother screamed blood murder on the toilet. :laughcry:

 

[Lilibet]

My Dad slept through an earthquake... while my mother screamed blood murder on the toilet. :laughcry:

Not to mention that he slept through your Mom's screams!

Speaking of earthquakes and toilets, my 78 year old Mom calmly rode out the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the SF Bay Area on her toilet. She thought it was pretty funny and said she just "rode the waves." Meanwhile, I was 200 miles north, afraid she was buried in rubble. :scared:

Our daughter slept through a really bad house-shaking earthquake when she was about 10. I fearfully rode it out in bed, not able to get to her. I couldn't believe she didn't wake up.

I guess it's clear that you can never assume that someone "should" have woken up.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

None of those times are concrete. I think much of that could be shifted backwards in time, too. IMHO I think events started around 7:30. The sequence is probably ok (I dispute the variations between neighbor and neighbors mother) but we don't know ANY specific times for anything. We also don't know how close in relation to each other some of the events were. I think some happened simultaneously, not spread apart like above.

Not hearing something when you are asleep is perfectly normal. The noise can wake you or make you start to wake up, but you don't exactly recall what it was that woke you. No one ever said he woke up 10 minutes after the scream. I think it was within a minute.

Since Holly had a major exam at 8 AM I would not be surprised if she did not get a bit of an early head start that day too. Things could have started at 7:15 to 7:30.

Clint said in a TV interview when he was waking up he heard strange voices in the yard and thought perhaps it was a utility reader or someone. Then he heard/saw his sister in the garage in a heated conversation and assumed it was Holly and Drew breaking up.

BBM

These are the problems I'm having with the timeline I quoted. According to THAT timeline, he woke up 10 minutes after the scream, and a barking dog woke him up. I've read elsewhere (perhaps in his interviews?) that he was woken up by Holly and someone he thought was Drew arguing in the garage. And that he saw Holly and someone he thought was Drew kneeling down together in the carport. The timeline I was quoting from doesn't mention this, but if this occurred as Clint said it did, then how can that possibly fit into the timeline I was looking at? Isn't the carport and the garage attached (or next to) the house?

And please bear in mind, my questions here are regarding the timeline someone posted, NOT Clint. Maybe it's an old timeline and needs updating? I don't know.

 

[MsFacetious]

You don't know my mother... screams are nothing to wake up for. :floorlaugh:

Not to mention that he slept through your Mom's screams!

Speaking of earthquakes and toilets, my 78 year old Mom calmly rode out the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the SF Bay Area on her toilet. She thought it was pretty funny and said she just "rode the waves." Meanwhile, I was 200 miles north, afraid she was buried in rubble. :scared:

Our daughter slept through a really bad house-shaking earthquake when she was about 10. I fearfully rode it out in bed, not able to get to her. I couldn't believe she didn't wake up.

I guess it's clear that you can never assume that someone "should" have woken up.

 

[tnhybrid]

I thought he meant "you never was" like "you never existed because I just killed you/plan on killing you."

Yup. This is my take on it too…

No other major developments in the local papers today. Maybe more tomorrow, fingers crossed.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Days back, I was within a few hours of posting my updated and excessively-long and boring Holly Bobo timeline when everything happened on FEB. 28, 2014. When there are major breaks in a criminal case, it affects a previous timeline in at least three important ways. First, the writer must acknowledge the most recent developments at the end of his or her timeline. Second, the writer needs to cross-reference the newest developments with all previous information. And third, whenever something dramatic happens in a high-profile criminal case, the news agencies and random posters come out of the woodwork with new information, more accurate times of events, new witnesses or witness statements, and unfortunately- also floods of new rumors and myths that must be evaluated in a case-by-case fashion.

I do not use names or initials in my timeline, except for the victim AND people with recognized celebrity status. The current man under arrest for the abduction and murder of Holly Bobo is referred to as the "main suspect". I enclose any statements that I consider preliminary and/or unproven in question marks. Here is an irreverent example- ?the world is flat?.

When my newest full timeline is revised I cannot post it here. Websleuths has created another site for full timelines. However, I am comfortable posting snippets of my timeline that are relevant to the current discussion, and to address questions that I see over and over again. Regarding the "exact" time of Holly Bobo's abduction vs. the latest claims about the weird derogatory comment on the main suspect's Facebook page- I think that many people are confused by the historical tidal wave of (official and unofficial) information in this case. Here is an edited snippet (it would be much longer and more detailed without editing) from my timeline that is relevant to the most recent discussions and questions:

APRIL 13, 2011

7:30-7:35 AM: (Holly talked with her mother on the phone, available witness is her mother and presumably the cell phone records). (Based upon my timeline studies, Holly’s mother ?must have went to class just after this cell phone call and left her cell phone where her secretary could hear it ring?).

7:39 AM: Newschannel5.com reports that ?a post was made to the Facebook page of the later-to-be-identified main suspect? who is ultimately arrested for Holly Bobo’s abduction. This post, if it actually happened, was derogatory towards an unnamed woman. The suspect’s on-and-off girlfriend at this time claims that ?the [main suspect] was actually referring to her? (and by my inference, not Holly Bobo). Interestingly, depending upon the location from where this post originated, it could provide an alibi of sorts for the main suspect- UNLESS more than one perpetrator is involved.

Just before or at 7:40 AM: (Holly is going outside to her car which is 10 to 12 feet from the nearest home exit door- possibly at 5 minutes earlier than her usual schedule so as to not miss an important college exam, no available witnesses except the perpetrator). (?Some reports suggest the car was in her long driveway, and other reports suggest it was in a carport?). (Her car was probably in the carport attached to the back of her house, based upon numerous later reports and blogs).

Around 7:40 AM: (Holly is confronted by the perpetrator near her black Mustang automobile. She drops her can of soda in surprise or because of an immediate physical confrontation. According to officials the mystery perpetrator is likely to be someone who was familiar with her daily schedule).

Around 7:40 AM: (Holly is attacked/restrained in some manner and leaves a small amount of blood on the carport floor; also see later entries). There seems to be very widespread support that blood was found. (My personal opinion- although the perpetrator may have had a firearm, for the sake of silence- a knife was used to commit the abduction and the blood was from Holly being incidentally scratched/cut somewhere OR backhanded across her face to promote submissiveness).

Around 7:40 AM: (Someone screamed in the direction of Holly’s house; male witness to this scream lives in a house ?nearest? to Holly’s home). This male witness is an adult man who lives with his mother.

OK- just so you know where I am going here- we need to be talking about 7:40 AM and not 7:30 AM. My 7:40 AM timing is within a minute of the supposed Facebook posting.

Sleuth On!

 

[goldiegirl]

Oh, man, Drew's statement made me cry. We hadn't heard anything from him this whole time, and it's nice that we did. That was so sweet of him.

 

[~n/t~]

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BBM

These are the problems I'm having with the timeline I quoted. According to THAT timeline, he woke up 10 minutes after the scream, and a barking dog woke him up. I've read elsewhere (perhaps in his interviews?) that he was woken up by Holly and someone he thought was Drew arguing in the garage. And that he saw Holly and someone he thought was Drew kneeling down together in the carport. The timeline I was quoting from doesn't mention this, but if this occurred as Clint said it did, then how can that possibly fit into the timeline I was looking at? Isn't the carport and the garage attached (or next to) the house?

And please bear in mind, my questions here are regarding the timeline someone posted, NOT Clint. Maybe it's an old timeline and needs updating? I don't know.

That was the last timeline given to us by MSM. I've quoted the Jackson Sun article because I wanted people to realize that it wasn't just made up. The family was quoted in the article. People can change it to fit their own theories if they wish to do so but that would only be speculation on their part.

I'm sticking with the timeline posted and that is what I feel we should work with. IMO

 

[steelman]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Days back, I was within a few hours of posting my updated and excessively-long and boring Holly Bobo timeline when everything happened on FEB. 28, 2014. When there are major breaks in a criminal case, it affects a previous timeline in at least three important ways. First, the writer must acknowledge the most recent developments at the end of his or her timeline. Second, the writer needs to cross-reference the newest developments with all previous information. And third, whenever something dramatic happens in a high-profile criminal case, the news agencies and random posters come out of the woodwork with new information, more accurate times of events, new witnesses or witness statements, and unfortunately- also floods of new rumors and myths that must be evaluated in a case-by-case fashion.

I do not use names or initials in my timeline, except for the victim AND people with recognized celebrity status. The current man under arrest for the abduction and murder of Holly Bobo is referred to as the "main suspect". I enclose any statements that I consider preliminary and/or unproven in question marks. Here is an irreverent example- ?the world is flat?.

When my newest full timeline is revised I cannot post it here. Websleuths has created another site for full timelines. However, I am comfortable posting snippets of my timeline that are relevant to the current discussion, and to address questions that I see over and over again. Regarding the "exact" time of Holly Bobo's abduction vs. the latest claims about the weird derogatory comment on the main suspect's Facebook page- I think that many people are confused by the historical tidal wave of (official and unofficial) information in this case. Here is an edited snippet (it would be much longer and more detailed without editing) from my timeline that is relevant to the most recent discussions and questions:

APRIL 13, 2011

7:30-7:35 AM: (Holly talked with her mother on the phone, available witness is her mother and presumably the cell phone records). (Based upon my timeline studies, Holly’s mother ?must have went to class just after this cell phone call and left her cell phone where her secretary could hear it ring?).

7:39 AM: Newschannel5.com reports that ?a post was made to the Facebook page of the later-to-be-identified main suspect? who is ultimately arrested for Holly Bobo’s abduction. This post, if it actually happened, was derogatory towards an unnamed woman. The suspect’s on-and-off girlfriend at this time claims that ?the [main suspect] was actually referring to her? (and by my inference, not Holly Bobo). Interestingly, depending upon the location from where this post originated, it could provide an alibi of sorts for the main suspect- UNLESS more than one perpetrator is involved.

Just before or at 7:40 AM: (Holly is going outside to her car which is 10 to 12 feet from the nearest home exit door- possibly at 5 minutes earlier than her usual schedule so as to not miss an important college exam, no available witnesses except the perpetrator). (?Some reports suggest the car was in her long driveway, and other reports suggest it was in a carport?). (Her car was probably in the carport attached to the back of her house, based upon numerous later reports and blogs).

Around 7:40 AM: (Holly is confronted by the perpetrator near her black Mustang automobile. She drops her can of soda in surprise or because of an immediate physical confrontation. According to officials the mystery perpetrator is likely to be someone who was familiar with her daily schedule).

Around 7:40 AM: (Holly is attacked/restrained in some manner and leaves a small amount of blood on the carport floor; also see later entries). There seems to be very widespread support that blood was found. (My personal opinion- although the perpetrator may have had a firearm, for the sake of silence- a knife was used to commit the abduction and the blood was from Holly being incidentally scratched/cut somewhere OR backhanded across her face to promote submissiveness).

Around 7:40 AM: (Someone screamed in the direction of Holly’s house; male witness to this scream lives in a house ?nearest? to Holly’s home). This male witness is an adult man who lives with his mother.

OK- just so you know where I am going here- we need to be talking about 7:40 AM and not 7:30 AM. My 7:40 AM timing is within a minute of the supposed Facebook posting.

Sleuth On!

So now the NEW timeline is based solely on his Facebook post ?? Seems awfully convenient.

I think that Facebook post was in a PAST tense. She was probably lying right there next to him when he sent it out. This would be an attempt at an alibi by a meth addict that had been up all night long stalking and waiting and watching for the right moment. However, when the right moment came, he screwed it all up because he underestimated her resistance level.

Only a drug-fueled mind, and someone who had been sipping beer all night long while waiting for his victim. could possibly see that Facebook post as a legitimate alibi. Anybody that has ever done meth knows that one of the side effects is the ability to stay awake for 24-48 hours without getting sleepy, and to drink larger quantities of alcohol without getting drunk. Both of those factors however have a huge impact on the brain and it's perception of reality. His facebook post that morning from a cellphone would fortify just how irrational he was becoming.

So where is Holly?? Well, after posting his weird alibi, he slung her over his shoulder, dragged her (who knows) to a waiting vehicle and made his escape. Somewhere along the way her lunch box got dropped and forgotten. It could have even been left right there where he made the Facebook post. Once out of the immediate search area. he had plenty of time to dispose of her. Tennessee has a lot of heavily forested area and very soft soil. She could be almost anywhere.

 

[steelman]

That was the last timeline given to us by MSM. I've quoted the Jackson Sun article because I wanted people to realize that it wasn't just made up. The family was quoted in the article. People can change it to fit their own theories if they wish to do so but that would only be speculation on their part.

I'm sticking with the timeline posted and that is what I feel we should work with. IMO

Exactly !!

 

[steelman]

Law enforcement said in the news conference that Holly was killed "during the perpetration" of the kidnapping. This would simply mean she was killed while he was attempting to abduct her. That would explain why his Facebook post came so soon after she was scuttled out into the forest.

 

[Suthrnqt]

So glad someone has been indicted. Now I am ready to see how all the dots will be connected.


I came out of lurking mode!!!!
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[SisterWolf]

Law enforcement said in the news conference that Holly was killed "during the perpetration" of the kidnapping. This would simply mean she was killed while he was attempting to abduct her. That would explain why his Facebook post came so soon after she was scuttled out into the forest.

Actually if you look up the legal definitions of the charges and how they relate to the case, that's not at all what they were saying. The kidnapping didn't end until she was dead. "During the perpetration of the kidnapping" could mean 3 or more days since she was initially abducted. You need to research the legal definitions of the charges and understand what they actually mean because you have misunderstood them.