Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #1 ***ARREST***

[Carla Lashelle]

OK....I think he might want to make his statements more specific because it can almost be read that HB was involved in the drug world and as a result, was murdered. And I don't think that's the case at all.

Of course, the rumors went wild for a while early on that Holly's abduction was an effort to silence her for something she stumbled on related to drugs. So naturally, the statements could be taken to mean something like that too.

I did not take the statement that way for what its worth

 

[Hatfield]

Since this case began a long time ago I am trying to remember if a certain alleged incident is even related to this case or some other case.

I recall a long time ago about some alleged incident where either a hunting cabin or party cabin was in the woods and it was alleged that a new mattress was put in this certain cabin around the time of the case first being discussed. Does anybody remember anything like that and if it was even related to this case or not.

No need to provide any details since I think a lot of it was heresay but just trying to remember if this was even the same case or not where a cabin was discussed.

 

[NCSleuth]

Tugela-- the answer to your question would be yes.

I've amended my view on this though since his arrest. We have all seen Zach Adams now and have a good idea what he looks like. He is 6'-3 and 150 pounds. He would be almost 6'-5 with a pair of hunting boots on. He is skinny as a rail to boot.

This does not match the description given by Clint Bobo of the abductor. He stated the person was around 5'-8 to 5'-10 and around 200 pounds.

The theory I am leaning towards now is that Zach Adams WAS there, fidgeting and anxious while waiting for the "other guy" to return with her. This likely would have been when he was toying with the phone and posting his version of an idiotic alibi. The time she was abducted and the time he posted it is too close together for him to be doing both at the same time.

I'm thinking that law enforcement knows they have one of the perps in their possession, and are hoping to put the squeeze on him to rat out his cohorts and also to ultimately give them the location of her remains.

Whether or not this tactic is going to work is left to be seen.

I kept reading the 6'3" and had a problem with it as well. Didn't fit the description. Well, look at the booking picture, he is 6'1", not 6'3". that is really close to the 5'10' to 6'0" description.

 

[Hatfield]

I kept reading the 6'3" and had a problem with it as well. Didn't fit the description. Well, look at the booking picture, he is 6'1", not 6'3". that is really close to the 5'10' to 6'0" description.

JMO
I seem to remember that the eye witness in the garage had changed their initial description of the height of the person. I think the initial height + weight estimates got changed later on.

So for me and JMO, I just cant put too much into the description of how tall he may or may not have been. However, if the Sullivan incident turns out to be the same person I do think she got a really good look at the guy and her description I would put more emphasis on.

When people are witnessesing something that they dont realize will become important later on , it sometimes is difficult for certain people to remember things. I am like that. I dont pay much attention unless I know it is important. I wonder if this is common with a lot of people. It maybe that only certain people are good at that sort of thing.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

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#Breaking hear 911 calls w/ Zach Adams & his grandpa & get new details revealed a the TN Capitol today in the #HollyBobo case at 10 #AN5

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Where are they?

BBM: Anyone know what this is about ?

Thanks ... just catching up this morning.

:seeya:

 

[steelman]

I kept reading the 6'3" and had a problem with it as well. Didn't fit the description. Well, look at the booking picture, he is 6'1", not 6'3". that is really close to the 5'10' to 6'0" description.

The booking photo's I have seen show he is standing 75" tall.

That is 6'-3" without shoes on. His reported weight is 150-160 pounds.

His weight was obtained through his arrest records and booking documents.

The news media has also widely published the same thing.

 

[Hatfield]

BBM: Anyone know what this is about ?

Thanks ... just catching up this morning.

:seeya:

Im just guessing that the News station somehow got 911 calls released and is airing them. Not sure why it would be a 911 call from those 2 people though. Not sure what incident would be on the calls and if they maybe are 2 different calls or the same call and both were on the phone.

It does seem strange and would be curious to find out what incident the call or calls was about.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

That area is a common hiding place, and is called a 'prison wallet' by inmates.

Sent from my H866C using Tapatalk 2

:floorlaugh: "prison wallet" . . . the things ya learn on WS . . .

:seeya:

 

[steelman]

Don't really know what to say.

 

[steelman]

Where did you get his height and weight? Is that just your estimate?

See mugshot above.

 

[Hatfield]

:floorlaugh: "prison wallet" . . . the things ya learn on WS . . .

:seeya:

Just last night on CNN with Erin Burnett, they did a short piece on things on X-rays that were found inside people. Ugggggghhhhhh Wish they had not done that.

 

[NCSleuth]

The booking photo's I have seen show he is standing 75" tall.

That is 6'-3" without shoes on. His reported weight is 150-160 pounds.

His weight was obtained through his arrest records and booking documents.

The news media has also widely published the same thing.

I see that one too, but I also see one where he is clearly 6'1". Who knows

 

[mck16]

Karen knew immediately that something was not right when she got the message at school. The panic reaction was instant.

I'm convinced something happened at the coon hunt. IMO.

Karen and Holly may have discussed it and that was why Karen panicked immediately.

Speculation only on my part.

but didn't she say neither of them were at the coon hunt? ty

 

[Carla Lashelle]

but didn't she say neither of them were at the coon hunt? ty

I have posted the link twice in the last few days with family spokesman Kevin Bromley discussing the Coon Hunt. According to him, Holly did not sing there and Karen was not there at all.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OK....I think he might want to make his statements more specific because it can almost be read that HB was involved in the drug world and as a result, was murdered. And I don't think that's the case at all.

Of course, the rumors went wild for a while early on that Holly's abduction was an effort to silence her for something she stumbled on related to drugs. So naturally, the statements could be taken to mean something like that too.

I didn't interpret that way. I think he was comparing it to the horrendous nature of what was done to the two victims in the other case.

Also no where did I think he meant Holly was into meth. The monster who did this was a meth head and Holly had to endure what this meth head did to her.

Imo, Holly didn't see anything. She lived in another world. She got up that morning like she always had and was heading out to school to take a big test that day. ZA was waiting THERE and the nightmare started.

I still continue to believe that the motive in this case is the very same motive in other cases just like it. Holly was kidnapped because she was an unobtainable, beautiful, good person, that ZA could never have in a normal way. So he took what he knew he couldn't have any other way and his full intentions was to rape and have his way with this young woman, and unfortunately, imo, that is exactly what he did.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I see that one too, but I also see one where he is clearly 6'1". Who knows

I don't see it as being a big deal anyway.

6'1' or 6'3" that is only 2" off and it is common that eye witnesses often get the height and weight of the suspect wrong. 10 people can see the same person and they can have differing descriptions of the person.

All I know is when I say him both coming into court and standing by his lawyer he sure didn't look 6'3" to me. Most everyone of the police guarding him were taller than he is.

But you are right.......how knows.

Eye witnesses are often times inaccurate anyway.

What will really matter in the end with this case is the evidence they have amassed against this defendant.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Im just guessing that the News station somehow got 911 calls released and is airing them. Not sure why it would be a 911 call from those 2 people though. Not sure what incident would be on the calls and if they maybe are 2 different calls or the same call and both were on the phone.

It does seem strange and would be curious to find out what incident the call or calls was about.

Didn't he at one time threaten to shoot is Grandpa with a shotgun?

Maybe this is the Grandpa calling 911 on him.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

There's a reason carnival barkers hawk the guess the weight game. Height and weight are extremely difficult to estimate. With weight, a lot of physical factors come into play...muscle weighs more than fat, bone structure often gives a false impression of weight, a woman with very large breasts and a small waist may weigh much more than she appears to, and so on and so forth. With height, perspective and reference points come into play. Was the person far away, towering over the witness, did he/she have poor posture, was he/she observed stationary or moving, etc. etc. Add to both of those things a stressful situation that is rapidly unfolding and it's not difficult to understand why witness descriptions are often highly inaccurate.

There's a show on NatGeo called Brain Games. On one episode, they created a scenario of a car chase that resulted in a crash. They staged this in front of eyewitnesses, and then asked the witnesses questions like what color was the car, how fast was it going when it hit the second car, how many people were in the car, and so on. How the interviewer worded the questions often lead witnesses to recall events differently, even though they had all seen the same thing. If the interviewer asked, "How fast was the car traveling when it smashed into the parked car?", witnesses increased the speed. If the interviewer asked, "How fast was the car travelling when it bumped the parked car?", witnesses estimated the speed of the moving car much slower.

Many things come into play with eyewitness accounts. It's wise to always take these accounts with a grain of salt, imo.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

Eyewitness statements can be so hideously inaccurately as to be pretty much useless. In the case here (and not knocking Clint) he was only, what, 30 feet from the suspect and couldn't tell if it was Drew or his cousin or anyone else. The size/weight of the suspect changed too at some point. Given that in at least the closest view of the suspect, he was kneeling down, seemingly obscured from full view, wearing (bulky?) camo clothes that would disguise his outline and mass, I don't think there is an issue of ZA not matching the vague, generalistic description (that didn't even say if the suspect was black or white). Laypeople are just bad at guessing height, weight, distance, speed, etc. You see people take a photo of a house cat in their back yard and report it to the police as a mountain lion all the time.

 

[~Lyric~]

Hello Friends,

This is going to be some what off topic, but then again, it's on topic of sorts.
I am so mad at this moment, when I think of how many charges Zach Adams had..how many times he pled guilty, probation violations and still able to walk the streets.

I am so mad at the State of Tennessee and are lack of holding people accountable for their actions.

With that being said, 8 years ago, I got a DUI, yep I was guilty and the next year after court was hell...lots of money, lots of time, just to do my sentence. I saw a probation officer once a month, saw many with violations..that would end up serving 30 days and stay in jail while they waited for their court date. I know I was wrong, I was guilty and did every single little thing I was suppose to do....I paid for my crime.

NOW!! I was looking up about another crime, that happened in Crossville, Tn, looking for court dates and such ( yes I posted what I found to the only thread here I could find on the Renegade Mountain Murders )....
What I found just made my blood boil...could this crime have been prevented, if violations were taken seriously?? Yes I know he was eventually "violated" reason they held Jacob Bennett before the murder charges...but MY GOD!! Just in Zach Adams, this in my opinion could have been prevented.

Tenn. ignores parole violations until 4 bodies are found

" — Parole officers didn't worry about Jacob Allen Bennett blowing off the terms of his release from prison until four bodies turned up on Renegade Mountain.

They didn't revoke the longtime felon's parole when he flunked a drug test in April, his second month out of prison. They let it slide when he didn't pay his court-ordered fees. And they didn't even look for him when he went absent in August, a month before he would be hauled in as a suspect in a quadruple homicide in this resort area about 50 miles west of Knoxville, Tenn."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/30/murder-on-renegade-mountain/3313965/

I just don't understand!!!! Dang I am so mad!