Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #1 ***ARREST***

[maskedwoman]

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I'm just going to guess that you meant that 'satisfying [your] curiosity about certain points in a case' is in fact *not* the main job of law enforcement'. I could be wrong, but if I'm right we are in total agreement. IMO, LE solves crimes mainly using their own tools, and the public can be one of those tools. But they are not an agency whose responsibility is to share information with the public (especially to please amateur detectives). I think that there are definitely times and situations where LE should share information (to help prevent or avoid future crimes, to find witnesses, etc.), but I do not think that dispersing information is their primary function, nor their most effective tool.

Darn it. All that speechifying messed up over one missing word, LOL. Yes, I did indeed mean that satisfying my curiousity is NOT their job.

 

[maskedwoman]

Well I hope you're right. Of course I'm just basing my assumption on what's been said in the media and his interviews. We 're not privy to what he told law enforcement.

I doubt he'll be the star witness though. JMO. My feeling is a possible snitch will be.

I do think Clint will spend a considerable chunk of time on the witness stand, but I think you are right about the star witness. I, too, think it could turn out to be whoever provided the invoice that finally allowed them to charge him. For the moment, my money is on JA.

 

[Foxfire]

Convicted Sex Offender and Wife Sentenced

DOWNTOWN JACKSON -- Convicted sex offender Terry Britt was sentenced to 180 months in jail as well as 2 years of supervised release for possession of a firearm on Wednesday.

Terry's wife, Janet Britt, was also sentenced to 2 years supervised release and 6 months home detention as a condition of her probation.

Her charge stems from her knowledge that her husband had a firearm which was a violation of the law.

Both pleaded guilty to charges in July.

Britt is currently serving time after pleading guilty in Madison County to attempted rape and kidnapping charges.

The state sex offender registry showed Britt was first convicted of rape in Tennessee in 1977.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Co...nd-Wife-Sentenced-For-Gun--228208981.html?m=y March 14/2014

 

[Kimster]

Well I hope you're right. Of course I'm just basing my assumption on what's been said in the media and his interviews. We 're not privy to what he told law enforcement.

I doubt he'll be the star witness though. JMO. My feeling is a possible snitch will be.

That's my guess too - but I don't want to call him/her a snitch - I want to say they are someone who decided to be courageous and do the right thing! Does anyone have an idea for a more positive term we can use? I don't know of one, but we need one.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Well I hope you're right. Of course I'm just basing my assumption on what's been said in the media and his interviews. We 're not privy to what he told law enforcement.

I doubt he'll be the star witness though. JMO. My feeling is a possible snitch will be.

ITA with your feeling. I'll go one step further and guess that the snitch might have the initials JA.

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[Kimster]

Had to remove a post, sorry! Can't mention names or initials of those not named in MSM or LE. If I'm behind the times, please provide a link. :tyou:

 

[~n/t~]

That's my guess too - but I don't want to call him/her a snitch - I want to say they are someone who decided to be courageous and do the right thing! Does anyone have an idea for a more positive term we can use? I don't know of one, but we need one.

Informant?

 

[Kimster]

Informant?

Oh yes, that's better. "Brave" informant, IMO! You guys don't know how many times I have prayed that a brave informant would give LE the information they need to find Jennifer and Adrianna Wix!!! So, when any come forward, I am sooooooo grateful!

This is my personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Websleuths LLC. Feel free to respectfully disagree.

 

[~n/t~]

Oh yes, that's better. "Brave" informant, IMO! You guys don't know how many times I have prayed that a brave informant would give LE the information they need to find Jennifer and Adrianna Wix!!! So, when any come forward, I am sooooooo grateful!

This is my personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Websleuths LLC. Feel free to respectfully disagree.

The only problem I have with using "brave" is if the informant is one of his drug buddies who may turn out to be an accomplice. I would steer away from calling him/her brave for now but that's just my feeling.

 

[Kimster]

The only problem I have with using "brave" is if the informant is one of his drug buddies who may turn out to be an accomplice. I would steer away from calling him/her brave for now but that's just my feeling.

I hear you. How about "at least one brave act, keep it going"?

:angel:

Point is, I want to encourage people to come forward in these cases.

 

[OldSteve]

That's my guess too - but I don't want to call him/her a snitch - I want to say they are someone who decided to be courageous and do the right thing! Does anyone have an idea for a more positive term we can use? I don't know of one, but we need one.

Yes! Agree, considering the evilness of ZA, it takes courage to come forward.

Do we know if this was a case of someone coming forward, or was it a case of someone who had been giving ZA an alibi who now reneges on it? In some small town cases I've followed I've seen that happen.

Early on here I harped upon feeling someone local was responsible, but had been given an alibi (all be it bogus), and solving this case hinged upon cracking a bogus alibi.
If this is true, then it presents a conundrum whereby you would think the person who gave the bogus alibi would be charged with obstruction, yet I've never seen that happen since the prosecution
needs them to testify and offers immunity.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes, meth increases labido and is the common denominator in many, if not most slight acquaintance/stranger sexual predator abduction/murders since the CA speed freak killers of the 1980s;

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The Speed Freak Killers is the name given to serial killer duo Loren Herzog and Wesley Shermantine, together initially convicted of four murders — three jointly — and suspected in the deaths of as many as 72 people in and around San Joaquin County, California.

They received the "speed freak" moniker due to their methamphetamine abuse. As of 2013 Shermantine is on death row. Herzog committed suicide in 2012; his conviction had been overturned in 2004, and had been paroled in 2010. Bones recovered in 2012 from an abandoned well have been positively linked to the killings...
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http://treatmentformethamphetamine.com/effects-of-methamphetamine/

Effects of Methamphetamine

http://treatmentformethamphetamine.com/effects-of-methamphetamine/
The psychological effects of methamphetamine can include euphoria, anxiety, increased libido, alertness, concentration, increased energy, increased self-esteem, self-confidence, sociability, irritability, aggressiveness, psychosomatic disorders, psycho motor agitation, dermatillomania (compulsive skin picking), hair pulling, delusions of grandiosity, hallucinations, excessive feelings of power and invincibility, repetitive and obsessive behaviors, paranoia, and – with chronic use and/or high doses – amphetamine psychosis.

When a person ceases to use meth, they experience withdrawal. Withdrawal symptoms of methamphetamine primarily consist of fatigue, depression, and increased appetite. Symptoms may last for days with occasional use and weeks or months with chronic use, with severity dependent on the length of time and the amount of methamphetamine used. Withdrawal symptoms may also include anxiety, irritability, headaches, agitation, restlessness, excessive sleeping, vivid or lucid dreams, deep REM sleep, and suicidal ideation.
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'Suicidal ideation; one of the symptoms of chronic meth use withdrawal, should be a primary concern by investigators and correction officers in ZA's pretrial incarceration, imo. Two fairly recent arrests and incarcerations of two sadistic psychopaths ended in suicides; Ariel Castro & serial killer Israel Keyes. Many unanswered questions were selfishly taken to the grave with them..

Thank you. But honestly if his libido was increased out the wazoo he easily could have gotten one of his women who were dependent on him for their drugs to give him as much of that as he wanted.

But then they wouldn't be like Holly Bobo either, not in looks or moral character. HB was beautiful, young, and untouchable to ZA. Imo, none of the other women in his life were remotely like HB.

And I really feel the demons already have to be inside of someone even if though drug use by the defendant probably helped it come out in such a violent heinous and ruthless way.

But underneath it all..........this was ZA all along and how he thought inside his own inner thoughts, imo. Maybe he had fantasized about doing this for some time.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I hear you. How about "at least one brave act, keep it going"?

:angel:

Point is, I want to encourage people to come forward in these cases.

I think what the TBI/FBI wants is for those who were told credible things by ZAs after Holly went missing to contact them. Things now that the police knows they can verify by the evidence they have found. Things known only to LE and would know if the story told to them (local person) by ZA matched the evidence that has now been found.

I honestly don't think if there are any accomplices that they will speak to police about what they did. They know they could be looking at the DP also.

What will happen imo, the police will continue to investigate to see whether he had accomplices or not, and if he did, and they have evidence proving it then they may go to one of the accomplices and tell them the first one that comes clean has a better chance of getting a deal. If none of them talk then they will all go down in flames along with ZA.

Imo, the police is appealing to the community to come forward now since ZA is no longer out amongst them and cant harm them. They may still be hesitant because I am sure he has those on the outside that would follow his orders.

IMO

 

[OldSteve]

I think what the TBI/FBI wants is for those who were told credible things by ZAs after Holly went missing to contact them. Things now that the police knows they can verify by the evidence they have found. Things known only to LE and would know if the story told to them (local person) by ZA matched the evidence that has now been found.

I honestly don't think if there are any accomplices that they will speak to police about what they did. They know they could be looking at the DP also.

What will happen imo, the police will continue to investigate to see whether he had accomplices or not, and if he did, and they have evidence proving it then they may go to one of the accomplices and tell them the first one that comes clean has a better chance of getting a deal. If none of them talk then they will all go down in flames along with ZA.

Imo, the police is appealing to the community to come forward now since ZA is no longer out amongst them and cant harm them. They may still be hesitant because I am sure he has those on the outside that would follow his orders.

IMO

Agree! I wonder what evidence the DA has.... I'm sure defense will argue that she went off willing with ZA and what then happened to her was an accident, or manslaughter.

Unless ZA took photo/videos to show otherwise, the DA will need someone to say to this was not so...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do think Clint will spend a considerable chunk of time on the witness stand, but I think you are right about the star witness. I, too, think it could turn out to be whoever provided the invoice that finally allowed them to charge him. For the moment, my money is on JA.

I see Clint more as a timeline witness. If he is kept on the stand for any length of time it will be by the defense attorney trying to make chicken **it into chicken salad. And if that does happen then the entire case can blowup for the defense right off the bat.

Jurors do not like defense attorneys to badger a witness. Especially one who is shy, unassuming, and docile. Clint is not an Adams with a rap sheet a mile long. He has no criminal record ever and is known as a fine young man in his community.

Being a juror 5 times myself, I know for certain, juries do not like to have their intelligence insulted nor do they like the defense attorney or even the DA badgering any of the witnesses especially family members of the victim. And I have seen case after case where that defense strategy blew up in the defense's face.

But in a way I hope the defense is that foolish. I would like nothing better than to see it highly offend the jurors sensibilities. Clint is not the suspect in this case nor will he ever be and the jury will know that. The jury will see the real suspect and will eye him throughout.

The defense is far better off treating Clint with the respect he deserves and proclaiming some other dude did it.

However that wont work either imo. The TBI/FBI arrested ZA for a reason and he is the one charged with kidnapping and murder so imo all the evidence they have uncovered points straight to him.

I am not sure JA is talking either. The only way he would talk would be if he wasn't involved. An accomplice is no better than ZA and would be under the same laws and penalties. The TBI wants information from others who weren't involved imo so they can bring down everyone who was involved.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Agree! I wonder what evidence the DA has.... I'm sure defense will argue that she went off willing with ZA and what then happened to her was an accident, or manslaughter.

Unless ZA took photo/videos to show otherwise, the DA will need someone to say to this was not so...

Whatever it is it is solid evidence imo. I think the TBI/FBI has been investigating ZAs behind the scene way before they made the actual arrest. During that investigation they discovered something solid that gave them probable cause to search his property for three days extensively.

I think they found what they thought they would find and that is why he was arrested and charged so quickly after the SW was executed.

The defense has a hard row to hoe. They will be unable to 'dirty' up the victim in this case as they usually love to do. They cant 'dirty' up the Bobo family either because they have always been a respected law abiding family in their community and have no criminal activity of any kind in any of their past. They are good people and when they testify the jury will see that for themselves.

Now will they try to make something out of nothing? Sure. That is what defense attorneys do. They will obsess on trivial things to get the eyes of the jury off of the real suspect's guilt.........their client.

The DT can argue until the cows come home that Holly went willingly but jurors have common sense and know no one goes off with someone willingly that has injured them and spilled their blood.

I imagine they will use the old standby of SODDI and try to use the other old defense line that the evidence was tainted either by the lab or police. Same old same old we hear in about every case nowadays.

 

[~n/t~]

I see Clint more as a timeline witness. If he is kept on the stand for any length of time it will be by the defense attorney trying to make chicken **it into chicken salad. And if that does happen then the entire case can blowup for the defense right off the bat.

Jurors do not like defense attorneys to badger a witness. Especially one who is shy, unassuming, and docile. Clint is not an Adams with a rap sheet a mile long. He has no criminal record ever and is known as a fine young man in his community.

Being a juror 5 times myself, I know for certain, juries do not like to have their intelligence insulted nor do they like the defense attorney or even the DA badgering any of the witnesses especially family members of the victim. And I have seen case after case where that defense strategy blew up in the defense's face.

But in a way I hope the defense is that foolish. I would like nothing better than to see it highly offend the jurors sensibilities. Clint is not the suspect in this case nor will he ever be and the jury will know that. The jury will see the real suspect and will eye him throughout.

The defense is far better off treating Clint with the respect he deserves and proclaiming some other dude did it.

However that wont work either imo. The TBI/FBI arrested ZA for a reason and he is the one charged with kidnapping and murder so imo all the evidence they have uncovered points straight to him.

I am not sure JA is talking either. The only way he would talk would be if he wasn't involved. An accomplice is no better than ZA and would be under the same laws and penalties. The TBI wants information from others who weren't involved imo so they can bring down everyone who was involved.

IMO

They will not badger him but I will bet my last dollar they will try to trip him up. That's why I posted yesterday that the prosecution better prepare him for what's to come.

They better get the timeline down pat because what's been released in the media makes no sense. And yes before anyone brings up the 911 calls, I know they haven't been released so we don't know for sure.

He did not call 911 per media reports . Karen did. The neighbour did.

Another issue I see the defence harping on.

IMO

 

[shefner]

I think the FBI put the squeeze on someone who was in jail....someone who may have been there when Holly died or who knew about it. They convinced them it was "the right thing to do." Or they offered them some kind of protection or deal for information.

 

[~n/t~]

I think the FBI put the squeeze on someone who was in jail....someone how may have been there when Holly died or who knew about it. They convinced them it was "the right thing to do." Or they offered them some kind of protection or deal for information.

I agree

 

[~n/t~]

Another point the pros have to work on with Clint is the scream. The neighbour heard the scream but Clint did not. Perp had 20 minutes with Holly from the the scream to when Clint woke up. 7:39 Facebook post by ZA gives him a potential alibi (if post was made from home).

Mom tells him to shoot. It's not Drew. Clint does not. Defence: why didn't you shoot? Your mom said it wasn't the boyfriend. Etc

Playing devils advocate here. This is in an effort and hope the prosecution prepares him to answer some of the tough questions.