Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #2 ***ARREST***

[Soulmagent]

Unless there is some MSM to back any of it (which there is not), I'd take it with a barrel of salt. At best, it's hearsay, so I'm not sure why it's even here. But as you point out, it's totally implausible -- it makes no sense. Besides which, I can't imagine how a hotel key card has any bearing on anything that happened in Holly's abduction.

IIRC I think a hotel key card was found in the first searches after Holly was taken.

I have not followed closely but I think I remember that.

 

[Montjoy]

The hotel key card has never been mentioned in MSM -- it's mainly something that has been discussed here (as a poster here claims to have found it) and on other blogs/social media/discussion board websites where he has shared this information. If you can find any MSM to substantiate it (or its relevance), please let us know. Moreover, if anyone can find any MSM to substantiate the statements from the LE officer who, in some accounts, bagged, and in other accounts, refused to bag such evidence, it would be good to know. At this point, it all seems like hearsay, especially the supposed LE statement that they already knew that she had been abducted by a particular person.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Isn't it ironic? We waited three years for an arrest in the Holly Bobo case so we could be privy to what the investigators knew. Now we have an arrest, and we know little more. The process of 'Discovery' (by the defense) in this case could take a year or much more, so don't hold your breath.

In my timeline, comments ?enclosed in question marks? must be considered questionable. My use of parentheses is only intended to separate one sentence or concept from another.

Anyway, clipped from my excessively obsessive and very long timeline in this case and regarding your post:

Daytime, APRIL 23 TO APRIL 24, 2011

(?This search included the area? that has been variously described as “Holladay Road, Holliday Road, Highway 69, Eaton Plant off Highway 641, Kolpack, the Tennessee Technology Center where Holly attended school, and the Tri-County Concrete property at 100 Eaton St.” This search location could have been ?based upon a ping or call from the perpetrator’s cell phone or a ping from Holly’s cell phone?, but there is a news report that it was ?based upon a phoned-in-tip?. Anyway, this should be where the so-called “significant find” or “Easter evidence” was made). (Early reports and internet chat described ?a “card”, even a hotel door passkey card, and later rumors suggest either a SIM card or cell phone or both?). (?A student ID card? has also been rumored). (The timing and wording of early news reports suggest either the 23rd or the 24th as the discovery date and that a “singular item” was found). (?It was reported that the police backtracked and later said this evidence might not be related to the case?). (?It is more recently claimed by bloggers that this item WAS Holly’s cellphone?). (?It is even more recently claimed that the cell phone and its SIM card were found on opposite sides of the highway around the above-described location?). (? Most recently it is claimed by private investigators that a cell phone was found in grass near a culvert or in a culvert and that the SIM card was found about a mile away and/or across the road?- BEWARE! THIS LAST CLAIM MAY HAVE BEEN DISCREDITED BY THE TBI).
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By the way, I intend to study my obsessively-detailed timeline for the exact time period around Holly Bobo's abduction and estimate all events down to the minute. This should provoke future discussion.

Sleuth on!

 

[Foxfire]

Back to the lawyer issue. The court will have to appoint a lawyer for ZA if he cannot afford one as per the 1966 US Supreme Court ruling in Miranda v. Arizona. Sometimes, an accused will retain an attorney to start the trial. When the accused funds are exhausted, the state will then pay that attorney and any defense costs to defend the accused. I think this happened in Casey Anthony's trial. This is done so that the accused, if convicted, cannot appeal the verdict based on ineffectiveness of counsel because there was not money to mount a defense. The state doesn't give the defense attorney a blank check. The state will pay his/her fee at a much reduced rate. My opinion is that not retaining a lawyer yet is a stall tactic on ZA's part. He isn't used to being held accountable for his crimes as we can see with his past arrests and case dispositions. I think he is a manipulator and will try to do this as much as he thinks he can to prolong the length of time it will take to bring this case to court. I think he has realized that these lawmen are not playing with him, so to speak. They made him do the perp walk, are holding him accountable for spewing out a threat against his younger brother. I think whatever attorney defends ZA will have his/her hands full just doing damage control because of his actions in jail. I think this will be an ongoing problem with ZA.
This link is interesting:
http://time.com/57066/tennessee-senate-electric-chair-capital-punishment-execution/?hpt=hp_t3

A question
Does anyone know if ZA had a lawyer present during his questioning by LE?

Lawyer issue/s;
ZA is a very narcissistic alpha male and according to past history doesn't respond well to dominant females that he can't control. Imo, it is not only about the money, but the interaction between him and his representation that ZA can't accept. jmo..

 

[Foxfire]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Isn't it ironic? We waited three years for an arrest in the Holly Bobo case so we could be privy to what the investigators knew. Now we have an arrest, and we know little more. The process of 'Discovery' (by the defense) in this case could take a year or much more, so don't hold your breath.

In my timeline, comments ?enclosed in question marks? must be considered questionable. My use of parentheses is only intended to separate one sentence or concept from another.

Anyway, clipped from my excessively obsessive and very long timeline in this case and regarding your post:

Daytime, APRIL 23 TO APRIL 24, 2011

(?This search included the area? that has been variously described as “Holladay Road, Holliday Road, Highway 69, Eaton Plant off Highway 641, Kolpack, the Tennessee Technology Center where Holly attended school, and the Tri-County Concrete property at 100 Eaton St.” This search location could have been ?based upon a ping or call from the perpetrator’s cell phone or a ping from Holly’s cell phone?, but there is a news report that it was ?based upon a phoned-in-tip?. Anyway, this should be where the so-called “significant find” or “Easter evidence” was made). (Early reports and internet chat described ?a “card”, even a hotel door passkey card, and later rumors suggest either a SIM card or cell phone or both?). (?A student ID card? has also been rumored). (The timing and wording of early news reports suggest either the 23rd or the 24th as the discovery date and that a “singular item” was found). (?It was reported that the police backtracked and later said this evidence might not be related to the case?). (?It is more recently claimed by bloggers that this item WAS Holly’s cellphone?). (?It is even more recently claimed that the cell phone and its SIM card were found on opposite sides of the highway around the above-described location?). (? Most recently it is claimed by private investigators that a cell phone was found in grass near a culvert or in a culvert and that the SIM card was found about a mile away and/or across the road?- BEWARE! THIS LAST CLAIM MAY HAVE BEEN DISCREDITED BY THE TBI).
___________________________________________________
By the way, I intend to study my obsessively-detailed timeline for the exact time period around Holly Bobo's abduction and estimate all events down to the minute. This should provoke future discussion.

Sleuth on!

Thanx for sharing Mr Noatak. I am the GA interviewed in the following article;
http://www.wsmv.com/story/14822562/significant-item-recovered-in-holly-bobo-search-4-24-2011 Easter Weekend Search -

Photo slide-show of Easter Weekend Search 04/23 & 24/2011
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs...OTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=0

 

[Foxfire]

The hotel key card has never been mentioned in MSM -- it's mainly something that has been discussed here (as a poster here claims to have found it) and on other blogs/social media/discussion board websites where he has shared this information. If you can find any MSM to substantiate it (or its relevance), please let us know. Moreover, if anyone can find any MSM to substantiate the statements from the LE officer who, in some accounts, bagged, and in other accounts, refused to bag such evidence, it would be good to know. At this point, it all seems like hearsay, especially the supposed LE statement that they already knew that she had been abducted by a particular person.

'For those who believe, no proof is necessary and those who disbelieve, no proof is possible'..quote by Stuart Chase...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This may have already been linked earlier, but if so, I missed it.

This an article where his former step-sister is talking about Zach Adams.

"He got deep into drugs and it changed him, and it changed him fast," said Ashley Gliem, Adams' former step-sister. "He did some crazy things."

Gliem says she moved to Pennsylvania to get away from Adams. News of his arrest did not surprise her.

"He came home one night high and he went to his room, grabbed a shotgun, went outside and shot the neighbors dog," she said.

Gliem said about 15 years ago, when the two were teens, he once threatened her while the two watched TV.

"He had a knife out and he told me how he wanted to gut me and hang me from a tree," she said.

She adds she was shocked to learn Adams was arrested and charged with aggravated assault for saying something similar to a girl he was dating.

http://www.localmemphis.com/story/d...s-accused-killer/23378/hfpNBSk-MkOe9zrTy0PGxQ

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So, if someone witnessed the murder, it may not be a punishable crime?

I am not sure how it works in TN and their laws governing 'failure to report a crime' but in other states it isn't a criminal offense as long as they didn't participate in the crime themselves.

I remember a cold case that remained unsolved for over 26 years. A woman had been there when a man murdered another woman. I believe the living woman was his girlfriend. She held that secret all those years due to being scared to death of him herself. He had threatened her if she dared tell anyone she would wind up like the murdered woman. I cant remember this part clearly but eventually they did part ways years later and I think he had been locked up for something else when she finally told LE what she had witnessed. She was the key witness against him at the trial and she wasn't charged with any crime.

But I don't know if it is the same in TN.

IMO

 

[OldSteve]

This is a strange case for me.... prior to ZA arrest, it seemed simpler in that I believed and mentioned how small town cases like this often became stymied due to friends/family of perp giving a bogus alibi such that the perp is able to hide from scrutiny in the shadows, so to say.
BUT - as of late it seems this was not the case for ZA who stood out and was well know for his acts of violence.
So I wonder how could it be that it took so long to get him, and it makes me a bit suspicious...
I also look at the crimes he did; spur-of-moment out bursts of temper - doesn't mesh with the kind of planning that went into the taking of Holly - so methodical he alluded multiple agencies.
Would have though he would been acting like the nut case he did in prior outbursts of violence...

ETA - ZA is so obvious, he should have been gotten within months, not years... so something is not right IMO...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is a strange case for me.... prior to ZA arrest, it seemed simpler in that I believed and mentioned how small town cases like this often became stymied due to friends/family of perp giving a bogus alibi such that the perp is able to hide from scrutiny in the shadows, so to say.
BUT - as of late it seems this was not the case for ZA who stood out and was well know for his acts of violence.
So I wonder how could it be that it took so long to get him, and it makes me a bit suspicious...
I also look at the crimes he did; spur-of-moment out bursts of temper - doesn't mesh with the kind of planning that went into the taking of Holly - so methodical he alluded multiple agencies.
Would have though he would been acting like the nut case he did in prior outbursts of violence...

ETA - ZA is so obvious, he should have been gotten within months, not years... so something is not right IMO...

I cant answer the question why it took so long to arrest ZA. I don't even know why it takes decades sometimes to bring the suspect to justice when from the very beginning the one that LE suspected was the perp all along. All I know is it does happen. Only 64% of homicide cases are solved. Evidence is needed.......... not suspicion nor name dropping..... to solve them.

Maybe everyone that knew anything at all about what he did to Holly were scared to death for years, and absolutely would not cooperate with investigators. Running around dropping rumors is a far cry from actually talking with investigators, openly and honestly.

I don't see his criminal acts as spontaneous outburst. It seems he is a very violent person by nature, and the anger, and rage is always there right on the surface. If someone gets the least bit 'out of line' he will lower the 'boom' on them in a heartbeat. The inner violence he has is consistently always there, imo.

I am sure there are other violent acts he has done and the victims were just too afraid to report it to police.

I don't see the 'planning' in this case taking much brain power. Remember Hilton, the uneducated, strung out druggie? He had no problem whatsoever with the planning he concocted on his own in order to kidnap, and murder multiple females at different times.

It took no more planning than it did for any other kidnapper and murderer. Saying it took great planning is giving ZA way too much credit, imo.

All he had to do was wait, and watch for her parents to leave, and for Holly to come out alone with no one else around. Then intimidate her by his violent nature, and larger size and strength.

We would like to think that all young women in the same situation that Holly found herself in would try to flee but we see it doesn't happen that way for it happens time and time again, and they are frozen with fear, and will comply to the suspect's demands and do whatever they are told to do.

Imo, this wasn't some complex plan. Unfortunately it was simple to accomplish, and he seized on the opportunity before him like so many others before, and after him have done.

IMO

 

[OldSteve]

The plan involving her abduction may not have been complex, but it was methodical, no? After all how does one elude FBI, TBI, and local LE along with 100's of searchers, along with a super-size reward ...

 

[jggordo]

I am in hopes that the information used in obtaining the search warrants was good. Many times some are not aware how specific search warrants are. For the most part seems to have to know what they will find, and where before obtaining one.

I believe one of the reasons that "several" search warrants were issued was because each one covers a very specific area to search, ie the grandfather's property across the road, etc.

I believe if the search warrant protocols are not followed carefully, some evidence could possibly be "thrown out" at trial. JMO's

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/search-warrant-basics-29742.html

 

[pearl]

Lawyer issue/s;
ZA is a very narcissistic alpha male and according to past history doesn't respond well to dominant females that he can't control. Imo, it is not only about the money, but the interaction between him and his representation that ZA can't accept. jmo..

bbm and, imo, very true

I think that if he retains the lady lawyer, it will prove to be a bad decision in a long line of bad decisions made on his part. I just don't think he will take much advice from an attorney. I would think common sense would tell a person indicted, arrested, and held in jail not to make threats against another person. I think most defense attorneys don't ask their clients if they are guilty as charged, but they do expect the client to be honest with them when preparing a defense. They don't like surprises at trial. I think there will be a lot of surprises in store for ZA's lawyer. If this attorney ends up being a woman, she must be one tough lady if she hopes to exert any influence over her very volatile client. If the prosecutor turns out to be a woman, I predict a firestorm of ZA's own making.

 

[OldSteve]

[/B]

bbm and, imo, very true

I think that if he retains the lady lawyer, it will prove to be a bad decision in a long line of bad decisions made on his part. I just don't think he will take much advice from an attorney. I would think common sense would tell a person indicted, arrested, and held in jail not to make threats against another person. I think most defense attorneys don't ask their clients if they are guilty as charged, but they do expect the client to be honest with them when preparing a defense. They don't like surprises at trial. I think there will be a lot of surprises in store for ZA's lawyer. If this attorney ends up being a woman, she must be one tough lady if she hopes to exert any influence over her very volatile client. If the prosecutor turns out to be a woman, I predict a firestorm of ZA's own making.

respectfully BBM - got me thinking about the old Perry Mason show; I thought he always asked before taking a person on as a client if they committed the crime, and would not take a case if thought the person a lair.

 

[Foxfire]

I cant answer the question why it took so long to arrest ZA. I don't even know why it takes decades sometimes to bring the suspect to justice when from the very beginning the one that LE suspected was the perp all along. All I know is it does happen. Only 64% of homicide cases are solved. Evidence is needed.......... not suspicion nor name dropping..... to solve them.

Maybe everyone that knew anything at all about what he did to Holly were scared to death for years, and absolutely would not cooperate with investigators. Running around dropping rumors is a far cry from actually talking with investigators, openly and honestly.

I don't see his criminal acts as spontaneous outburst. It seems he is a very violent person by nature, and the anger, and rage is always there right on the surface. If someone gets the least bit 'out of line' he will lower the 'boom' on them in a heartbeat. The inner violence he has is consistently always there, imo.

I am sure there are other violent acts he has done and the victims were just too afraid to report it to police.

I don't see the 'planning' in this case taking much brain power. Remember Hilton, the uneducated, strung out druggie? He had no problem whatsoever with the planning he concocted on his own in order to kidnap, and murder multiple females at different times.

It took no more planning than it did for any other kidnapper and murderer. Saying it took great planning is giving ZA way too much credit, imo.

All he had to do was wait, and watch for her parents to leave, and for Holly to come out alone with no one else around. Then intimidate her by his violent nature, and larger size and strength.

We would like to think that all young women in the same situation that Holly found herself in would try to flee but we see it doesn't happen that way for it happens time and time again, and they are frozen with fear, and will comply to the suspect's demands and do whatever they are told to do.

Imo, this wasn't some complex plan. Unfortunately it was simple to accomplish, and he seized on the opportunity before him like so many others before, and after him have done.

IMO

RE: Remember Hilton(Gary Michael/serial killer)uneducated, strung out druggie.

Oceanblueeyes, I've been researching and backtracking SK GMH for over six years now. When he was first arrested, LE thought he was a drifter, petty thief, and vagabond and abducted MHE for her debit/charge cards. The bailiff at the Dawson Co., GA jail asked him, 'if you're so damn smart, why did you get caught'? GMH replied, 'they haven't caught me since I was 14 years old'.. At age 14 GMH shot his stepfather in Hialiah, FL during a domestic dispute. He was committed to a psych unit and escaped. GMH was 61 years old when finally apprehended; four decades and many victims later. There is still a multi State & Federal Task Force investigating GMH's past unknown victims.

If there is one thing that I have learned from researching GMH. It is to never mis-underestimate a psychopath. GMH's accomplishments would impress you. As is ZA, imo, GMH was a reader/a thinker according to his mother Cleo Debag. GMH began reading encyclopedias at the age of 4 years old. His IQ was determined to be between 02% & 10% of the nations highest according to psychological evaluations performed prior to his FL DP trial for the murder of Cheryl Dunlap.

Oceanblueeyes, Holly Bobo's abduction/murder was very well planned and executed and not an impulsive act, imo. I would be happy to elaborate if you want, but this seemed obvious since 04/13/2011. The three years before ZA's arrest with the tremendous investigative resources utilized speaks volumes, imo. The one major cog in the wheel of ZA's plan was CB being home, which was unexpected and unplanned. If CB had adhered to his regular schedule, it may have been hours before HB was missed and LE contacted. She likely would have been considered a missing person rather than an abduction victim. Imo, ZA either heard Rascal barking and then saw CB peeking out the window, saw the light come on, or the curtains/blinds move. Rather than aborting the mission and running, which would have raised suspicion. He calmly walked with her to his vehicle via the logging road to give the impression that she was voluntarily accompanying him.. Imo, this was the calculating act of a very brazen and experienced psychopathic sexual predator.. HB was not, ZA's first, last, or only victim, imo...

http://www.wctv.tv/news/floridanews...l_Hilton_Trial_-_Penalty_Phase_116396099.html
GMH Sentencing 03/2011

 

[jggordo]

I brought forward Zach's arrest record released by TBI. I believe if we look at the time frame after Holly was abducted the number of times he was arrested, and the number of Aggravated Assaults, how they were reduced to misdemeanors and such. I do not see where LE was serious about keeping a criminal off the streets. Much less a POI in a more serious crime, where investigations during this three year period.

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) he was arrested 8 times since Holly was abducted.

To me that's just not being serious about a criminal. JMO's

http://www.scribd.com/doc/210934395/Zachary-Adams-criminal-history-provided-by-TBI

When reading down the record any time you see this term used where there is a "disposition" as I see it the charges were dismissed. JMO's

Nolle prosequi as a declaration can be made by a prosecutor in a criminal case either before or during trial, resulting in the prosecutor declining to further pursue the case against the defendant. Courts seldom challenge applications for nolle prosequi, typically judges in the U.S. will sign a dismissal order prepared by the prosecution or make a docket entry indicating the disposition of the case to be "nolle prosse" after a declaration or motion by the prosecution. In criminal cases in the U.S. it has been held improper for a court to enter an order of nolle prosequi on its own without a motion by the prosecutor,[4] but as to sentencing discrepancies involved in a sentence recommendation, a trial judge is authorized to reject an underlying guilty plea based upon concerns of fairness and justice or because it is presented after the plea cutoff date.[5] The notes to Rule 48 of the US Federal Rules of Criminal

Nolle prosequi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Foxfire]

2002 - Interesting Violent Felon Statistics/recidivism linked below..
'Why can't the Justice System officials simply google, read, and comprehend these eyeopening statistics'? 'Without Public Safety for our families, friends, and loved ones, we have nothing'!
The Bobo family of four awoke in their rural home on 04/13/2011 expecting a non-eventful day of work and school. Just living their lives as loving, hard working, religious, and goal oriented families do all across America; 'The American Dream'..

Due to an out of control rampant drug/meth epidemic and less than effective and competent TN Justice System. The Bobo's lives have resulted into a never ending nightmare..

'Now they are only three'..

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Violent Felony Statistics
http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vfluc.pdf

[video=youtube;gifeX4cw5dQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gifeX4cw5dQ&hd=1[/video]

 

[Wonless]

Unless there is some MSM to back any of it (which there is not), I'd take it with a barrel of salt. At best, it's hearsay, so I'm not sure why it's even here. But as you point out, it's totally implausible -- it makes no sense. Besides which, I can't imagine how a hotel key card has any bearing on anything that happened in Holly's abduction.

Agree.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Thanx for sharing Mr Noatak. I am the GA interviewed in the following article;
http://www.wsmv.com/story/14822562/significant-item-recovered-in-holly-bobo-search-4-24-2011 Easter Weekend Search -

Photo slide-show of Easter Weekend Search 04/23 & 24/2011
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs...OTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=0

My opinions only, no facts here:

I am very happy to hear from you Glen. I almost never have contacts from sleuths who were actually part of any official search. Keep up the good work!

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

First, I saw a question about the DNA of the blood in the carport at the Bobo home. Clipped from my unpublished timeline:

Early to mid-MAY, 2011:

Based upon comments made by Holly’s mother in early August, 2011 as reported by WSMV-TV, this is the general time span when authorities may have privately notified the Bobo family that the blood in their carport belonged to Holly.
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Now, regarding the "main suspect" in the Holly Bobo case. I have snipped two entries from my unpublished timeline. Remember that there are timeline entries BETWEEN these two entries. Anyway, read below.

About 7:40 AM-2nd event: (Someone screamed in the direction of Holly’s house; male witness to this scream lives in a house ?nearest? to Holly’s home). This male witness is an adult man who lives with his mother.

7:50-ish: (Now, looking out of his window, Holly’s brother notices Holly’s car is unexpectedly still there and sees the silhouettes of two people kneeling down by the car; he also hears voices of two people, available witness is himself). (Note that I am confused from various reports about whether the two silhouettes were seen leaning down, kneeling, squatting or sitting). (Most recently the story is that the brother saw Holly and a man kneeling and facing each other and talking. Holly sounded very upset and heated, but most of the talking was being done by the perpetrator. The only words of the conversation the brother could understand was Holly saying- “?no, why?”). As for this last sentence- this is from an interview with Holly’s brother on WSMV-TV on around April 30, 2013 that I have seen on videotape. I query the “no, why?” statement from Holly’s brother because I cannot confidently understand these exact two words from his interview, due to his regional accent and I do not want to misquote anybody. From witness description, the FBI describes the perpetrator as being 5’ 8” to 6’ 0” tall, weighing 200 pounds, and wearing camouflage clothing.
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The point of these timeline entries is, it is possible that the suspect remained with Holly Bobo for up to ten minutes by her Mustang, before taking her away. To me, this does not seem to fit the personification of an out-of-control and unpredictably violent suspect. Just saying.