Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #2 ***ARREST***

[Tulessa]

Thanx for sharing Mr Noatak. I am the GA interviewed in the following article;
http://www.wsmv.com/story/14822562/significant-item-recovered-in-holly-bobo-search-4-24-2011 Easter Weekend Search -

Photo slide-show of Easter Weekend Search 04/23 & 24/2011
http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs...OTOGALLERIES01&Lopenr=104240801&Ref=PH&Item=0

'For those who believe, no proof is necessary and those who disbelieve, no proof is possible'..quote by Stuart Chase...

Thank you!

 

[~n/t~]

I am in hopes that the information used in obtaining the search warrants was good. Many times some are not aware how specific search warrants are. For the most part seems to have to know what they will find, and where before obtaining one.

I believe one of the reasons that "several" search warrants were issued was because each one covers a very specific area to search, ie the grandfather's property across the road, etc.

I believe if the search warrant protocols are not followed carefully, some evidence could possibly be "thrown out" at trial. JMO's

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/search-warrant-basics-29742.html

Wish we had a copy of the search warrants. I'm still perplexed by how the search was initiated by the assault charge but we then find out it had to do with Holly. I realize the assault might have been in their "in" to finally get him but I still wish we knew the details.

 

[~n/t~]

This is a strange case for me.... prior to ZA arrest, it seemed simpler in that I believed and mentioned how small town cases like this often became stymied due to friends/family of perp giving a bogus alibi such that the perp is able to hide from scrutiny in the shadows, so to say.
BUT - as of late it seems this was not the case for ZA who stood out and was well know for his acts of violence.
So I wonder how could it be that it took so long to get him, and it makes me a bit suspicious...
I also look at the crimes he did; spur-of-moment out bursts of temper - doesn't mesh with the kind of planning that went into the taking of Holly - so methodical he alluded multiple agencies.
Would have though he would been acting like the nut case he did in prior outbursts of violence...

ETA - ZA is so obvious, he should have been gotten within months, not years... so something is not right IMO...

Yup. Not right indeed. A meth addicted crazed psychopath eludes local, state and federal law enforcement agencies for three years? TBI claims they've been collecting evidence all along. Well, heck, was there nothing they found with his fingerprints, DNA ..... something? It's not like this was his first crime for Pete's sake. How many felonies 20 - 25???

 

[~n/t~]

The hotel key card has never been mentioned in MSM -- it's mainly something that has been discussed here (as a poster here claims to have found it) and on other blogs/social media/discussion board websites where he has shared this information. If you can find any MSM to substantiate it (or its relevance), please let us know. Moreover, if anyone can find any MSM to substantiate the statements from the LE officer who, in some accounts, bagged, and in other accounts, refused to bag such evidence, it would be good to know. At this point, it all seems like hearsay, especially the supposed LE statement that they already knew that she had been abducted by a particular person.

No it hasn't but neither has the voluminous evidence they have against the perp. Yes the hotel key would be considered rumour and the rest of what you stated but I trust the person who was there at the time. He's one of our members, he dedicated his time to help with the search and continues to see this case through the end . For Holly.

Whether the alleged hotel key has any bearing on the case, is anyone's guess. You nor I nor anyone here know what ZA did with Holly after he took her into his vehicle. We also don't know if her final resting place was his property

We know nothing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yup. Not right indeed. A meth addicted crazed psychopath eludes local, state and federal law enforcement agencies for three years? TBI claims they've been collecting evidence all along. Well, heck, was there nothing they found with his fingerprints, DNA ..... something? It's not like this was his first crime for Pete's sake. How many felonies 20 - 25???

DNA where? He touched Holly........he made HOLLY bleed........he lead her away. So why would his DNA be at Holly's property?

The same question could be asked about every drug addicted crazed psychopath that has eluded multiple agencies for years before the case was finally solved.

Even though those agencies too said they had continued to investigate the cases the entire time and never considered them cold cases. Just like the TBI never considered Holly's case a cold case.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

RE: Remember Hilton(Gary Michael/serial killer)uneducated, strung out druggie.

Oceanblueeyes, I've been researching and backtracking SK GMH for over six years now. When he was first arrested, LE thought he was a drifter, petty thief, and vagabond and abducted MHE for her debit/charge cards. The bailiff at the Dawson Co., GA jail asked him, 'if you're so damn smart, why did you get caught'? GMH replied, 'they haven't caught me since I was 14 years old'.. At age 14 GMH shot his stepfather in Hialiah, FL during a domestic dispute. He was committed to a psych unit and escaped. GMH was 61 years old when finally apprehended; four decades and many victims later. There is still a multi State & Federal Task Force investigating GMH's past unknown victims.

If there is one thing that I have learned from researching GMH. It is to never mis-underestimate a psychopath. GMH's accomplishments would impress you. As is ZA, imo, GMH was a reader/a thinker according to his mother Cleo Debag. GMH began reading encyclopedias at the age of 4 years old. His IQ was determined to be between 02% & 10% of the nations highest according to psychological evaluations performed prior to his FL DP trial for the murder of Cheryl Dunlap.

Oceanblueeyes, Holly Bobo's abduction/murder was very well planned and executed and not an impulsive act, imo. I would be happy to elaborate if you want, but this seemed obvious since 04/13/2011. The three years before ZA's arrest with the tremendous investigative resources utilized speaks volumes, imo. The one major cog in the wheel of ZA's plan was CB being home, which was unexpected and unplanned. If CB had adhered to his regular schedule, it may have been hours before HB was missed and LE contacted. She likely would have been considered a missing person rather than an abduction victim. Imo, ZA either heard Rascal barking and then saw CB peeking out the window, saw the light come on, or the curtains/blinds move. Rather than aborting the mission and running, which would have raised suspicion. He calmly walked with her to his vehicle via the logging road to give the impression that she was voluntarily accompanying him.. Imo, this was the calculating act of a very brazen and experienced psychopathic sexual predator.. HB was not, ZA's first, last, or only victim, imo...

http://www.wctv.tv/news/floridanews...l_Hilton_Trial_-_Penalty_Phase_116396099.html
GMH Sentencing 03/2011

Very interesting, thanks.

And ZA even knew to dress in camo even though the only hunting he was doing that day was to kidnap Holly. He knew if he had been spotted in the woods in full camo they would assume he was just another turkey hunter. I think he even picked this time to kidnap her because it WAS turkey season and so much easier to blend into the woods as a 'hunter.' And ATVs or pickup trucks parked in the woods would also be common and wouldn't stand out.

Even if anyone saw him and Holly in the woods from a distance they wouldn't have thought anything about it. They would know Holly also hunts and being in the woods around her own home was common for Holly.

So while he may have been on meth it didn't prohibit him from carrying out his plan to a T. Just like it never stopped Gary Hilton either.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wish we had a copy of the search warrants. I'm still perplexed by how the search was initiated by the assault charge but we then find out it had to do with Holly. I realize the assault might have been in their "in" to finally get him but I still wish we knew the details.

Morning n/t.

I admit I have been very busy lately with real life stuff, and haven't been able to read all of the MSM links posted, but I must have missed one.

What MSM link stated the three day search warrant was initiated by the assault charge that happened way back on February 6th?

How do we know that if the SW affidavit remains sealed?

Do you mind posting that link again or giving me the number of the post? TIA

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

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bbm and, imo, very true

I think that if he retains the lady lawyer, it will prove to be a bad decision in a long line of bad decisions made on his part. I just don't think he will take much advice from an attorney. I would think common sense would tell a person indicted, arrested, and held in jail not to make threats against another person. I think most defense attorneys don't ask their clients if they are guilty as charged, but they do expect the client to be honest with them when preparing a defense. They don't like surprises at trial. I think there will be a lot of surprises in store for ZA's lawyer. If this attorney ends up being a woman, she must be one tough lady if she hopes to exert any influence over her very volatile client. If the prosecutor turns out to be a woman, I predict a firestorm of ZA's own making.

This stunt is pulled in a lot of brutal murder cases nowadays. The lead defense attorney will be a female if the defendant is a male or the second chair will be a female and usually attractive. It is to project to the jury "see he is the sweetest thing, and I'm not the least bit scared of him.' Of course they don't have to be afraid for they know there are armed guards in the courtroom watching his every move.

And during the trial you will always see the female attorney making sure she touches the defendant on the shoulder several times or sitting very close to him throughout the trial. It is all for the purpose of downplaying how brutal and sadistic the defendant truly is. There is a lot of drama played out in courtrooms and that is why a lot of defense attorneys take acting classes. To be able to put on their ACT.

Most likely if she remains the attorney of record she will either dress him in a suit or he will be dress like Mr. Rogers. Its all done to create an illusion.......in other words a false appearance hoping that the jury buys it.

Now I do hope there is a female attorney on the state's side and an aggressive one. If she is the hard hitting aggressive type then she needs to be the one to cross examine Adams. However I do NOT expect him to testify. If he does the gloves come off and everything the Judge may have ruled too prejudicial is going to all come in then. Its no holds bard once he gets on the stand.

His defense attorney will do everything in her power to make sure he keeps his mouth shut. IMO.

IMO

 

[jggordo]

Wish we had a copy of the search warrants. I'm still perplexed by how the search was initiated by the assault charge but we then find out it had to do with Holly. I realize the assault might have been in their "in" to finally get him but I still wish we knew the details.

IMO unless AB gave them a sworn statement regarding Holly's remains being on the property or something of hers that he kept I don't believe it was the catalyst for the search warrants. I do feel however it put him in "safe keeping" while they searched and let witnesses know they could now come clean without fear of retaliation.

Someone gave specific enough information as to what they would find to convince a Judge to sign off on specific search warrants. Allowing digging on private property, wells, the house and contents, guns and ammunition, equipment and electronics just to name a few. Those had to be some LONG search warrants.

Don't know how it is in TN but in MO after the search LE has to leave a receipt for what was taken to the property owner. If that be the case Zach knows what they found from that. JMO's

 

[OldSteve]

Yup. Not right indeed. A meth addicted crazed psychopath eludes local, state and federal law enforcement agencies for three years? TBI claims they've been collecting evidence all along. Well, heck, was there nothing they found with his fingerprints, DNA ..... something? It's not like this was his first crime for Pete's sake. How many felonies 20 - 25???

Yes n/t, agree! I don't know enough about meth crazed thugs but it strikes me as amazing how cool-and-collected he did his evil deed!
This was something either well thought out, or he was just very lucky IMO...
I wonder if he had a place setup in his house before hand....
How much evidence would have been needed before a SW could be gotten? - Three years worth?
Seems like this had a guardian-devil looking over him!

 

[Foxfire]

DNA where? He touched Holly........he made HOLLY bleed........he lead her away. So why would his DNA be at Holly's property?

The same question could be asked about every drug addicted crazed psychopath that has eluded multiple agencies for years before the case was finally solved.

Even though those agencies too said they had continued to investigate the cases the entire time and never considered them cold cases. Just like the TBI never considered Holly's case a cold case.

Oceanblueeyes, several months after HB's abduction, the question; 'has the HB investigation grown cold', was asked to TBI PIO Helms, by I. Zendher/Examiner. PIO Helms, responded that the TBI does not identify or label any cases as cold cases<paraphrased>. Hence the silent epidemic in TN, imo.

Imo, a geographical profile would have been very beneficial to narrow down a suspect in HB's abduction. A rarely used investigative resource was brought in to assist with HB's abduction; the FBI BAU2. One would conclude that that a behavioral profile of the unknown suspect/s was provided, as well as investigative strategies suggested.

Now since the suspect; ZA, has been identified and indicted. Seems, from info garnered, residence location, travel routines, activity space, etc, that a geographical profile of ZA would be very beneficial in ZA's prosecution, as well as an excellent tool for indicating other abductions or attempted abductions that he may have been involved in, imo..

<Geographic Profiling> http://www.all-about-forensic-psychology.com/geographic-profiling.html

 

[ktgirl]

The plan involving her abduction may not have been complex, but it was methodical, no? After all how does one elude FBI, TBI, and local LE along with 100's of searchers, along with a super-size reward ...

In my experience with following true crime:
Sometimes idiots get lucky. Really lucky.

 

[Foxfire]

Very interesting, thanks.

And ZA even knew to dress in camo even though the only hunting he was doing that day was to kidnap Holly. He knew if he had been spotted in the woods in full camo they would assume he was just another turkey hunter. I think he even picked this time to kidnap her because it WAS turkey season and so much easier to blend into the woods as a 'hunter.' And ATVs or pickup trucks parked in the woods would also be common and wouldn't stand out.

Even if anyone saw him and Holly in the woods from a distance they wouldn't have thought anything about it. They would know Holly also hunts and being in the woods around her own home was common for Holly.

So while he may have been on meth it didn't prohibit him from carrying out his plan to a T. Just like it never stopped Gary Hilton either.

IMO

Oceanblueeyes, ZA was very taunting/narcisstic - enjoys the game/taunting, which was verified, imo, by the two facebook posts; 'you never was W...04/13/2011 @ 7:30 AM(cst or est?), & the later photo posted of him dressed in full camo; 'who am I searching for'?

On 04/24/2011, according to Decatur County Sheriff Wyatt, a phone tip was called in, which directed officials to the areas searched on the afternoon of 04/24/2011, when the significant item/s were located. The search on 04/24/2011 culminated 15 miles north of Parsons, TN.

The full camos worn on 04/13/2011 indicated blending in due to turkey season, as well as a forensic aware predator. The time of day that the abduction occurred was when most turkey hunters are active, but also coincided with shift change time for DCSO & HCSO, etc.,(roll call-familiar with LE procedures, schedules, response times)

Oceanblueeyes, I am sure there were many more obvious indicators of the unknown subject/s responsible for HB's abduction observed by investigators on 04/13/2011 and over the very long three years since. Guess we will just have to have patience until ZA's trial to learn the truth and full story of his evil past..

http://s10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t64882.htm (Ms Media Links-and snippets)

 

[Foxfire]

Very interesting, thanks.

And ZA even knew to dress in camo even though the only hunting he was doing that day was to kidnap Holly. He knew if he had been spotted in the woods in full camo they would assume he was just another turkey hunter. I think he even picked this time to kidnap her because it WAS turkey season and so much easier to blend into the woods as a 'hunter.' And ATVs or pickup trucks parked in the woods would also be common and wouldn't stand out.

Even if anyone saw him and Holly in the woods from a distance they wouldn't have thought anything about it. They would know Holly also hunts and being in the woods around her own home was common for Holly.

So while he may have been on meth it didn't prohibit him from carrying out his plan to a T. Just like it never stopped Gary Hilton either.

IMO

Oceanblueeyes, GMH, an opportunist, was stopped by his last victim; trail angel Meredith Hope Emerson, who fought him mind, body, and spirit while in captivity for four very long days.

ZA, as someone posted prior was very methodical. ZA, is a very organized predator pre-planning HB's abduction; stalking/reconning the victim, as well as her family's schedule/routine, while having safe havens predetermined, and an abduction/kill kit available; weapon, rope/zip ties, duct tape, etc., imo.

ZA, gained immediate compliance of HB, which imo indicates an experienced predator, or one that is very studied, or a combination of the two..

ZA was very taunting/narcisstic - enjoys the game/taunting, which was verified, imo, by the two facebook posts; 'you never was W...04/13/2011 @ 7:30 AM(cst or est?), & the later photo posted of him dressed in full camo; 'who am I searching for'?

On 04/24/2011, according to Decatur County Sheriff Wyatt, a phone tip was called in, which directed officials to the areas searched on the afternoon of 04/24/2011, when the significant item/s were located. The search on 04/24/2011 culminated 15 miles north of Parsons, TN.

The full camos worn on 04/13/2011 indicated blending in due to turkey season, as well as a forensic aware predator. The time of day that the abduction occurred was when most turkey hunters are active, but also coincided with shift change time for DCSO & HCSO, etc.,(roll call-familiar with LE procedures, schedules, response times)

Oceanblueeyes, I am sure there were many more obvious indicators of the unknown subject/s responsible for HB's abduction observed by investigators on 04/13/2011 and over the very long three years since. Guess we will just have to have patience until ZA's trial to learn the truth and full story of his evil past..

http://s10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t64882.htm (Ms Media Links-and snippets)

 

[sassysleuth]

OMG I know I'm laaaate to the party but THEY FINALLY MADE AN ARREST! :jail:arty:

Looking into details now…

 

[Foxfire]

OMG I know I'm laaaate to the party but THEY FINALLY MADE AN ARREST! :jail:arty:

Looking into details now…

Yes sassysleuth, 'Finally'!! Welcome back and get comfortable because you have a lot of catching up to do.. Waiting to hear your thoughts...

 

[Hatfield]

This stunt is pulled in a lot of brutal murder cases nowadays. The lead defense attorney will be a female if the defendant is a male or the second chair will be a female and usually attractive. It is to project to the jury "see he is the sweetest thing, and I'm not the least bit scared of him.' Of course they don't have to be afraid for they know there are armed guards in the courtroom watching his every move.


And during the trial you will always see the female attorney making sure she touches the defendant on the shoulder several times or sitting very close to him throughout the trial. It is all for the purpose of downplaying how brutal and sadistic the defendant truly is. There is a lot of drama played out in courtrooms and that is why a lot of defense attorneys take acting classes. To be able to put on their ACT.

Most likely if she remains the attorney of record she will either dress him in a suit or he will be dress like Mr. Rogers. Its all done to create an illusion.......in other words a false appearance hoping that the jury buys it.

Now I do hope there is a female attorney on the state's side and an aggressive one. If she is the hard hitting aggressive type then she needs to be the one to cross examine Adams. However I do NOT expect him to testify. If he does the gloves come off and everything the Judge may have ruled too prejudicial is going to all come in then. Its no holds bard once he gets on the stand.

His defense attorney will do everything in her power to make sure he keeps his mouth shut. IMO.

IMO

Re bolded part...

You are absolutely correct about that tactic. We saw it perfectly clear in the Jodi Arias trial with the woman attorney playing lovey-dovey with Jodi. It was appalling and sickening to watch.

Also, I firmly believe in that trial, there were a few times that the cold calculating Jodi was pulling some stunts and I dont think that female attorney knew how dangerous she really was. At one point, it appeared Jodi was stealing pens or pencils and she even popped a pill that was given to her by a friend of the defense.

And a few times when Jodi was really angry, I was just waiting for her to stab that female attorney in the neck or something with one of the pencils she was using.

She had a male attorney too but he made sure he did not sit near her or converse with her much at all. The female one was just the opposite.

 

[Wonless]

'you never was W...'04/13/2011 @ 7:30 AM(cst or est?) FB post.

What does this mean, what is W? Anyone understand what he was saying here?

 

[tlcya]

wonless, the W stands for a word that was complete in the Facebook post and is a slur used to described woman of loose morals. I hope that helps

ETA link to MSM discussing the posts. http://www.newschannel5.com/story/24909729/accused-killer-you-never-was-you-stupid-wh

 

[Foxfire]

'you never was W...'04/13/2011 @ 7:30 AM(cst or est?) FB post.

What does this mean, what is W? Anyone understand what he was saying here?

WH*re


http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm

Psychopaths Characteristics...
<note more interesting links at the end of linked article>