Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #4 ***ARRESTS***

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Mr. Noatak said:
My opinions only, no facts here:

Another thing the Defense will have a strong argument on- the witness description of the kidnapper does not match either of the currently-jailed suspects. I have seen this explained away (the main suspect has lost weight recently, witness descriptions are unreliable, etc.), but this is a BIG deal for the Defense. With Holly for comparative scale, her brother very likely made a fairly accurate estimate of her kidnapper's height and weight. His and the FBI's longstanding description of 5’ 8” to 6’ 0” tall, weighing 200 pounds cannot be trivialized in a court of law. Since 6 feet is the maximum allowable height, the kidnapper is very likely shorter than 6 feet tall. The kidnapping suspect sounds like a short to medium-height stocky individual. Neither of the two currently jailed suspects fits this description. If I were a juror, this detail alone would create significant doubt in my mind. When you think about the minimum height estimate of the kidnapper (5' 8"), that is only 5 inches taller than Holly Bobo! And there is something else- men in the woods may be wearing boots with 1 to 2" of heel, insole, and socks. So, if anything, the kidnapper could even be a tad shorter than described.

Somehow, I think that if either of the currently jailed suspects (one at 6' 3" and 170 pounds and the other at 6' 7" and 250 pounds) were the kidnapper that Holly's brother saw, his description would have been decidedly different.

Look, the authorities could have arrested a 5' 6" 300 pound man and a 7 foot tall 150 pound man, and the assumption of guilt would still be there. And that is the problem, the assumption of guilt.
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I would certainly expect the defense to hammer this. I also don't think it's that big of a deal. Descriptions like that are rarely if ever going to be spot on. I never understood everyone's questioning CB's involvement because of it either. Bottom line is he was guessing. Might have been his best guess, but he was guessing. Ask me my neighbor's height who I was just standing outside talking to for an hour and I really don't know. It seems like I was taller than him at 6' 0" but I also wouldn't be shocked if I went back over there and found out he was a couple inches taller than me.
 
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Wait, Hold up.....WHAT?

Holly's boyfriend is a suspect in a separate kidnapping????? who, what , where????
 
  • #363
Foxfire said:
Tugela, If they staged for a period of time where the lunch bag was located, with the two sandwiches inside, near 5 forks. The restraints may have been removed temporarily if HB was considered to be in compliance by ZA. Imo, zip ties were likely used as restraints, and the ties around her ankles may have been left in place to prevent escape.. Imo, ZA likely had a weapon too; firearm/knife.

The lunch bag was found in the same vicinity of where the duct tape with the blonde hair attached was located. The TBI/LE searched this area with scrutiny, yet did not share publicly, what if anything was found.

If HB had left the items at the abduction site, it would have been obvious that she had been abducted. By removing the items, it would be perceived that HB may have caught a ride to school with a friend, imo, to buy time/deflection..

ZA, was/is very calculating, deflective, creative, and manipulative..a cagey sadistic psychopath.. jmo
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No, it would not have worked that way. In an abduction the kidnapper doesn't gather up stuff the victim would have dropped in the initial encounter (Holly would have dropped anything she was carrying if suddenly confronted by a strange man with a threatening demeanor in order to defend herself). Also, a kidnapper doesn't remove any restraints once they have subdued their victim until they get to where ever they were going. If she was kidnapped she would not have had the opportunity to discard her stuff like that, the kidnapper would have had to do it, and if the kidnapper did do it, the pattern is peculiar.

The general description of the kidnapping suggests that she knew her kidnapper, and probably was not restrained at all. That is the impression I get. I think that although she may have been intimidated by what was going on, she was not in fear for her life at the time. The scene as described does not have any elements of fight or flight, as you would have expected to find in the case of a stranger abduction.

The immediate reaction by the family also suggests to me that something else was going on, or they had reason to believe that something might happen.

So I think there is some sort of back story here that we have not been told about.
 
  • #364
Mr. Noatak said:
My opinions only, no facts here:

I hate to say this on Websleuths, but you have to revisit 'other' less-credible Parsons-area threads for the 16 months after Holly Bobo disappeared. I read thousands of these posts. Also, pay attention to where Holly's lunch bag was found. The geographic location of this item is significant to developing alternate theories.

The current situation requires us to accept that Holly's lunch bag was tossed randomly at that location. Why? Based upon my timeline, Holly was likely still in the kidnapper's or kidnappers' vehicle when the lunch bag was tossed. I cannot accept that we have this clever duo or trio of druggie kidnappers who decide to throw evidence out the vehicle window when the most critical evidence (victim) is still with him or them in the vehicle. This evidence would logically have been taken to the hideout and burned in the stove, unless something is amiss with the logic of the official interpretation.

Let me explain further- you kidnap Miss Jane Doe who has a cell phone, purse, lunch bag, books, etc., in order to take her away to your place, without being seen or caught. First, you irrationally insist that she take all of this incriminating evidence with her, rather than leave it hidden close to, or at the abduction scene. THEN, you throw some of the evidence out of your vehicle window while driving your kidnap victim to your place. THEN, days later, you take some of the remaining evidence and plant it near to where your victim attends school. Does this make sense? To me, this is a story without a point (emphasized by Steve Martin in the Airplane scene with John Candy in the movie Planes, Trains, and Automobiles).

Sleuth On!
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Good Morning Everyone!

Imo, it is very hard to apply logic to illogical acts. It seems in so many cases we have the same questions about the movements of the suspects. Constantly we question: "Why would he or she do that, it makes no sense?' (example)

We could have the same questions about Torres who kidnapped, raped (imo) and murdered Sierra Lamar and other cases where the suspect(s) threw items belonging to the victim out close to where they were kidnapped. Why wouldn't Torres just hide her cell phone instead of throwing it out along the side of the road not far from where she was kidnapped? Why would he put her backpack.. with all her personal items inside.... close to the road where it could be found and again not far away from where the cell phone was found and her own home? Iirc these items were found in a 1- 2 mile area from her own home.

Sadly it is obvious that he has hidden Sierra's body so well that even years later it has never been located. So why wouldn't he just take her cell phone and backpack with him and bury/burn/destroy them wherever he has Sierra's remains? No one knows but Torres. Yet, he didn't do any of those things.

Trying to figure out why suspects do things the way they do isn't doable especially when trying to apply logic and commonsense to find the answers.

And as we all know now Torres did not know Sierra. He was a stranger.

JMO though
 
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katydid23 said:
Wait, Hold up.....WHAT?

Holly's boyfriend is a suspect in a separate kidnapping????? who, what , where????
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The best I can tell is he had a fight with his uncle and may not have let him leave afterwards.

He isn't Holly's boyfriend. He was her ex-boyfriend. Her current boyfriend when she was murdered was Drew.
 
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OldSteve said:
As to why 🤬🤬🤬🤬(s) would let someone toss evidence; I think of Sierra Lamar's case where her cellphone was tossed, and her Juicy Purse was also left behind.

I think with the apparent planing that went into this, the 🤬🤬🤬🤬(s) would want to keep Holly captive for days or more....
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Yes, and there have been many other cases where personal items of the victim were found in close proximity to where they were abducted. This isn't peculiar but it is rather commonplace in a lot of kidnapping cases like this.

As far as Torres I can only guess of course but I think he chunked her cell phone out the window and hid the bag in case his vehicle was stopped by police. He had to know that she would be missed and LE would be setting up roadblocks checking cars and asking the occupants questions.

I think this is why a lot of suspects do this. They don't want to be caught with having any items in their possession in their vehicle belonging to the victim tying them to the 'missing' kidnapped person.
 
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reedus23 said:
I have to believe they have more than just someone's word. It would make no sense to me to make an arrest all these years later just based on someone's word when they could have done that right from the outset. Lord knows there were enough people throwing others under the bus. They could have had their pick if all they were going to move on was someone's word. I think the fact they continued to wait and didn't act on peoples' word for all these years tells me they have more. How much more? Time will tell.
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ITA!

I have never seen one case that was all based on the words of a witness. I don't think the DA or TBI are that dumb especially when the DA is contemplating the death penalty.

And the TBI Director has already stated it is just not one person who has now come forward but it is several. Often times credibility is supported by several witnesses testifying to the same thing.

They had no reason to move on this case when they did other than they finally found the evidence they needed to bring about arrests and trials. Every DA knows an arrest means nothing and they have to prove the case BARD. I think the DA in this case is very confident he can do just that.

Just using your post to mention this, reedus.:)

As far as Dylan hating his brother he may have very good reasons for doing so. I have long wondered if Zach wasn't the one that told Dylan to give the gun to the ex-felon so Dylan would take the fall for it.. if caught, and he did. I think Zach is a very dominating narcissist sociopath who abused everyone in his family, including Dylan. Other than this arrest I haven't seen that Dylan has 25 arrests under his belt. Unless I missed it he seems to have no other arrests except for the one gun charge. I think the 'evil' brother would like nothing better than to bring down the better brother.

I think it is quite obvious that the police now have the evidence they needed all along and it came from the three day searches of not only Adams' home and property but from Autry's as well.

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Tugela said:
No, it would not have worked that way. In an abduction the kidnapper doesn't gather up stuff the victim would have dropped in the initial encounter (Holly would have dropped anything she was carrying if suddenly confronted by a strange man with a threatening demeanor in order to defend herself). Also, a kidnapper doesn't remove any restraints once they have subdued their victim until they get to where ever they were going. If she was kidnapped she would not have had the opportunity to discard her stuff like that, the kidnapper would have had to do it, and if the kidnapper did do it, the pattern is peculiar.

The general description of the kidnapping suggests that she knew her kidnapper, and probably was not restrained at all. That is the impression I get. I think that although she may have been intimidated by what was going on, she was not in fear for her life at the time. The scene as described does not have any elements of fight or flight, as you would have expected to find in the case of a stranger abduction.

The immediate reaction by the family also suggests to me that something else was going on, or they had reason to believe that something might happen.

So I think there is some sort of back story here that we have not been told about.
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Tugela, the blood on the carport indicated that HB resisted/fought back until brought under compliance, imo. Compliance of the victim is the 1st rule in an abduction. There are many past cases of a hansel and gretel trails left by victims in abductions.
 
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From: https://twitter.com/chrisconte


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 12m


Passing over the Tennessee River .. Off to Decaturville ...




Looks like Chris is heading to the Decatur courthouse for today's hearing !
 
  • #376
There is a direct link on the News Channel 5 Homepage for today's hearing.


Look for :

1PM: Hearing For Holly Bobo Murder Suspect Zach Adams

at http://www.newschannel5.com/
 
  • #377
Joseph Pleasant @JPleasantwkrntv
Zachary Adams' lawyer will ask he be given jail visitation and phone access in court today. Adams is in jail inChester County. #HollyBobo

https://twitter.com/JPleasantwkrntv

Nichole Manna @NicholeManna
Adam's attorney filed a motion requesting he be given full visitation access in jail & access to write letters. #hollybobo

Nichole Manna @NicholeManna
Second and third motion filed for Adams asks for evidence from the state be given to his attorney #hollybobo

https://twitter.com/NicholeManna

Carley Gordon @WSMVCarley
TV crews line up waiting for Zach Adams arrival #HollyBobo pic.twitter.com/CN97wVY4m8
https://twitter.com/WSMVCarley
 
  • #378
Chris Conte on Twitter:


Perhaps these two things don't belong on a sign together ... #hollybobo pic.twitter.com/Ek6N5o1DUi


https://twitter.com/chrisconte/status/474230555983507456


There is a photo of this sign at the link ... could someone PLEASE post it [sorry, I have to find a new image host site].


TIA !
 
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https://twitter.com/chrisconte/status/474230555983507456

dog.gone, I don't use an image host. I just right click on a picture, go to properties and copy the url that ends with .jpg. Then use the insert image here to post it (remove the http:// in the insert image box that pops up). hth
 
  • #380
https://twitter.com/JPleasantwkrntv


Joseph Pleasant &#8207;@JPleasantwkrntv - 2h


Zachary Adams is due in court this afternoon. Judge is expected to enter a scheduling order for how his case will proceed to trial.



RBBM:

It is going to be interesting to see IF ZA and JA will be tried together -- or tried separately.

And what about SA ?

:twocents:
 
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