Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[goldenbear]

Last time I was in that area there was rain off and on and the temperature was mild. As I recall I had a light sweater unbuttoned on. This was august and I traveled through Memphis,Nashville,Knocksville , and Oak Ridge.

 

[Tugela]

I was thinking back to how all this latest news and arrests got started like with the theft of the pearls and stuff.
Then, onto some arrests and when ZA communication was intercepted about telling his brother to keep quiet or he will be in grave beside her.

As far as evidence the state may have. If the brother testifies against people and if he can actually state some specific things, then I think that may be some of the key evidence the state is relying on.

So here is a question.
Lets assume the brother spoke with someone and that someone admitted to killing her, would that be enough to convict the other person if there is nothing else?
Assuming no body and no other witnesses saying the same thing.

One of the reasons I am wondering about this is because I always thought that was considered "heresay" when there is a report of another persons words by a witness.

IIRC they didn't intercept any message, it was based on the claims of a jailhouse informant.

For the primary charge they would still have to provide some sort of corroboration for what the witness was claiming.

 

[Tugela]

:seeya:

I hope someone can answer this as I may be confused:

Was this the newly elected prosecutor who did not have the defendant MP in court today -- or -- was it the current outgoing prosecutor ?

Just un-freakin-believable ... seriously, HOW do you forget something like this ?

:moo:

It was the prosecutors office that failed to have him present. The DA is elected, but the assistant DA and other staff in the office are regular employees. They shouldn't require their boss to give them direct instructions for everything they do.

It is completely mind boggling that they would overlook something as basic as that.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Or...it's completely mind boggling why an ousted prosecturer didn't leave instructions on what to do or well, or haven't even had the time to tell the incoming.. whatever... It happens. Some ousted may feel it's "not my job man". grrr....there's no correcting the previous prosectucters actions, but it will be told if it were a problem, I surely hope. jmo

 

[SteveS]

We don't even know that the problem was actually caused by the transition process, do we? I know we'd like to give them that excuse, but I'm not sure it's justified.

For quite some time, I'm haven't been getting the impression that there's a high degree of attention to detail, or of making sure to color within the lines in the legal process, from LE involved in this case. This looks to me like simply the next problem with their work, not the first one.

I'm not sure how Holly can get justice, with a LE who seems to be somewhere between, sloppy, incompetent, and uninterested in paying attention to their duties under the law.

This is not good.

 

[wfgodot]

This is truly not good, though it truly has been par for the course in re: this investigation.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

And in your opinion, who is this person, and where is that place?

My opinions only, no facts here:

Is not the deadline for release of evidence from the prosecutors to the defense (Discovery) only a few days away? If so, I would prefer to wait for that event before submitting further analyses.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Is not the deadline for release of evidence from the prosecutors to the defense (Discovery) only a few days away? If so, I would prefer to wait for that event before submitting further analyses.

:seeya: Hi Mr. N,


BBM: Just a few days away: August 29, 2014 is the Discovery Date per the Scheduling Order that was issued.


See link to Scheduling Order in the Court Case Dates:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...case-dates-Holly-Bobo&p=10588987#post10588987



:thinking: I wonder IF this will all change with the new DA or for any other reasons ?

 

[SteveS]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Is not the deadline for release of evidence from the prosecutors to the defense (Discovery) only a few days away? If so, I would prefer to wait for that event before submitting further analyses.

Yes, the deadline is at the end of this week. But I'm not sure how that impacts you and me, since the disclosures are being made to the defense but not to the public. (In fact, given that the deadline is a "finish by" date rather than a start date, it's probably safe to assume that the defense has already received a mountain of discovery without us hearing about any of it.)

Nevertheless, if you prefer to wait a few days to elaborate, to see if that deadline brings with it any unexpected revelation that alters things, then I'll wait and ask you the same question again on that date. In order that the original statement and followup doesn't get lost in the shuffle, I'll repeat them here for later reference.

You said: "In my sole opinion, there is one man we still need to hear from and one place we still need to look."

My reply question: "And in your opinion, who is this person, and where is that place?"

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Yes, the deadline is at the end of this week. But I'm not sure how that impacts you and me, since the disclosures are being made to the defense but not to the public. (In fact, given that the deadline is a "finish by" date rather than a start date, it's probably safe to assume that the defense has already received a mountain of discovery without us hearing about any of it.)

Nevertheless, if you prefer to wait a few days to elaborate, to see if that deadline brings with it any unexpected revelation that alters things, then I'll wait and ask you the same question again on that date. In order that the original statement and followup doesn't get lost in the shuffle, I'll repeat them here for later reference.

You said: "In my sole opinion, there is one man we still need to hear from and one place we still need to look."

My reply question: "And in your opinion, who is this person, and where is that place?"

:seeya: Hi Steve,


1st BBM:

Thanks for clearing this up ... I thought it was a finish date, but did not want to "assume" it was.

So do you think the State has provided all the discovery they currently have to the defendants, ZA and JA -- or -- do you think they are "stalling" ?

And does the DA have to provide this same discovery to the brothers who have been charged with "accessory after the fact" ?

I understand the charges against the P brothers are still "up in the air" -- the video, which may or may not exist ...

Sorry if this is confusing, but trying to understand WHO gets the discovery, etc., since there are 2 charged with murder and another 2 charged with accessory after the fact.

Again, sorry for all these questions, but you are very familiar with TN laws -- and I'm just learning from following this case ... lol !


2nd BBM:

I am curious as well ... so hoping to hear Mr. N's opinion as well !


TIA !

 

[SteveS]

1 So do you think the State has provided all the discovery they currently have to the defendants, ZA and JA -- or -- do you think they are "stalling" ?

2 And does the DA have to provide this same discovery to the brothers who have been charged with "accessory after the fact" ?

1 I have no idea where they are in complying with the discovery mandate. I hope they are near the end and are not stalling, but only time will tell.

2 The discovery that's due to be completed by the 29th pertains to the Bobo kidnapping/murder charges, and is being provided to the 2 defendants charged for that crime (ZA and JA).

...I don't think any of that is relevant to the case involving the Pearcy brothers, so they wouldn't be in that loop. But you raise an interesting point: because that case has yet to be adjudicated, and they are charged as accessories to those crimes, do they need to be provided with disclosure on the crime they are supposedly accessory to? I don't know.

...As for discovery re the Pearcy's, I have no idea where their case stands. Not sure it's even going to make it to trial, because it seems laced with BS-ery to me, and the DA keeps stalling on offering the court anything solid to base a case on, but we'll see.

 

[spooky24]

After a visit to the area Sunday I do have something for sleuths to ponder. If I sound condescending at times it's nothing personal as I don't know everyone's skill level and experience.

In murder cases-and some abductions as well-the lead detective will provide the case with what the bureau calls 'a trump' or 'a cover'. To private investigators it's simply PPS which means Personal-Physical and Substantial.

If the lead detective comes upon a murder scene that has the potential to become highly publicized, or not in some cases, then the detective will choose something at the crime scene for his trump. Perhaps he will see a picture frame of the victim that has been stuffed down the toilet he/she will photograph this item carefully-then place it in a more non descriptive place.

This is done to insure that once the predictable number of people who will confess to the crime to get attention he/she has documentation of something at the crime scene that only a person who was involved would know. For instances the detective will confront the confessor with "why did you do that to the picture frame?". When they have no idea what he/she is talking about then they are discounted and sent-in this case-to the Alvin York Mental health facility-which they gladly go too because any attention is better than none. If you don't know Sargent York was a metal of honor recipient and war hero.

You can notice the trump is as described it's very personal, it's very physical and obviously quite substantial. A cover played a big part in the murder/suicide of Steve McNair as once it hit the news wire persons came from near and far to confess.

Desperate detectives sometimes-when a case goes totally cold-release to the press the trump as a last ditch effort to get a lead. This was done in the Tabitha Tutors investigation in which it involved a birth mark.

Now looking at this case one would ponder just what the trump would be. I would imagine by now at the very least a dozen or so poor souls have clogged the investigation unit wanting attention. While looking at a realtors sign at the Adams property I happen to come across a private detective know mostly for working, in conjunction with others, for Mark Fuhrman-who in my opinion has one of the best purely deductive minds of my generation-and a highly effective writer as well.

It is believed that the first arriving Sheriffs department officer observed that the hood of the victim's car was warm-in the sense it had recently been driven. As far as why the brother's statement is a vague as it is and seems somewhat unlikely is because he was a lot further away from the confrontation that is being publicized-this may be part of a trump. How he could have heard the victim say "No, Why?" as they were both bent down in front of the Mustang is beyond me-because I have seen the location up close. That part of the investigation has always bothered me-and countless others as well-because it's so interpretive and it was, or still is, hard to ponder why the case just seemed to fall in limbo, or purgatory if you prefer, from that point on.

Let me be clear that there is no evidence available that the car figured into this however private investigators get paid to use their experience and go out on a lot of limbs involving what many would call 'outside the box'. Also, I didn't ask just who this person was employed by, as that is not something you discuss.

However, when someone with more experience than I presents a hunch that needs to be explored, I pay attention, and it opens up a whole new path for this to take. The abductor could possibly have arrived in the victims car and with the case at a stand still it seems to be the time to run down the impossible.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

1 I have no idea where they are in complying with the discovery mandate. I hope they are near the end and are not stalling, but only time will tell.

2 The discovery that's due to be completed by the 29th pertains to the Bobo kidnapping/murder charges, and is being provided to the 2 defendants charged for that crime (ZA and JA).

...I don't think any of that is relevant to the case involving the Pearcy brothers, so they wouldn't be in that loop. But you raise an interesting point: because that case has yet to be adjudicated, and they are charged as accessories to those crimes, do they need to be provided with disclosure on the crime they are supposedly accessory to? I don't know.

...As for discovery re the Pearcy's, I have no idea where their case stands. Not sure it's even going to make it to trial, because it seems laced with BS-ery to me, and the DA keeps stalling on offering the court anything solid to base a case on, but we'll see.

:seeya: Thanks, Steve !

Yes, you are correct: the Discovery Date in the Scheduling Order only pertains to ZA and JA.

And yes, the Pearcy's cases are still pending -- that video :gaah:


What is confusing in this case is there are so many PERPs with 2 different sets of charges ...

So does the State have to prove the murder 1st, then accessory after the fact -- OR -- do the cases proceed simultaneously against all 4 at the same time ?


I hope that made sense !

 

[dog.gone.cute]

After a visit to the area Sunday I do have something for sleuths to ponder. If I sound condescending at times it's nothing personal as I don't know everyone's skill level and experience.

It is believed that the first arriving Sheriffs department officer observed that the hood of the victim's car was warm-in the sense it had recently been driven. As far as why the brother's statement is a vague as it is and seems somewhat unlikely is because he was a lot further away from the confrontation that is being publicized-this may be part of a trump. How he could have heard the victim say "No, Why?" as they were both bent down in front of the Mustang is beyond me-because I have seen the location up close. That part of the investigation has always bothered me-and countless others as well-because it's so interpretive and it was, or still is, hard to ponder why the case just seemed to fall in limbo, or purgatory if you prefer, from that point on.

:seeya: Hi spooky !


RBBM: I do not recall this -- not disagreeing or challenging -- but I do not remember anything regarding the hood of Holly's car being warm. My understanding is that she never made it into her car.

Do you have a link for this ? THANKS !


As to CB's statement and what he witnessed that morning: Yes, he could have been further away and IMO, sometimes it is hard to judge distances -- especially when you just woke up !

lease: It must be very difficult for CB as he has replayed, over and over, what he saw and heard that morning so many times !

:moo:

 

[Lanesmommy]

That's what I'd like to know. If nothing else Mr. Noatak, give us a breadcrumb or three.
I have read and reread your wonderful timeline. I know you hint at the Bible Hill (Gooch Rd) evidence as being significant, but that's all I've got. TIA

I'm new to posting here but I was wondering... WHere can I find the timeline you speak of? And also, what was the evidence found on Bible Hill? Was that the same evidence found on Easter?

 

[OldSteve]

I'm new to posting here but I was wondering... WHere can I find the timeline you speak of? And also, what was the evidence found on Bible Hill? Was that the same evidence found on Easter?

It's in the news thread, here's a link:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eDiA-amp-TiMeLiNe-only!-*NO-DISCUSSION*/page9

Also :welcome6: Lanesmommy to this thread!

 

[OldSteve]

:seeya: Hi spooky !


RBBM: I do not recall this -- not disagreeing or challenging -- but I do not remember anything regarding the hood of Holly's car being warm. My understanding is that she never made it into her car.

Do you have a link for this ? THANKS !


As to CB's statement and what he witnessed that morning: Yes, he could have been further away and IMO, sometimes it is hard to judge distances -- especially when you just woke up !

lease: It must be very difficult for CB as he has replayed, over and over, what he saw and heard that morning so many times !

:moo:

Was the dog resting on the car hood?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I'm new to posting here but I was wondering... WHere can I find the timeline you speak of? And also, what was the evidence found on Bible Hill? Was that the same evidence found on Easter?

:seeya: Hello and Welcome !


:welcome4::welcome4:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Was the dog resting on the car hood?

:thinking: Never heard that one before, OS !

:seeya:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My opinions only, no facts here:

In my sole opinion, there is one man we still need to hear from and one place we still need to look.

Sleuth On!

:seeya: Hi Mr. N !


Snipped and BBM: The "suspense" is getting to me ... lol ! Can you give a hint or initials as to WHO this "one man" is ?

TIA !