Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[Mercurydime]

Is it still assumed that a change of venue will take place, or is it too late for that?

I don't see how the trial could be considered fair if the jury comes from west or middle Tennessee.

 

[jggordo]

According to Chris Conte there will be a report regarding the video tape (or lack thereof) at 6:00 PM. I have no link at this time.

We now know why the @TBInvestigation may be tight lipped about a video showing #HollyBobo after she was kidnapped. Details at 6pm @nc5

We'll see.


https://www.facebook.com/NC5ChrisConte?fref=nf

 

[reedus23]

Is it still assumed that a change of venue will take place, or is it too late for that?

I don't see how the trial could be considered fair if the jury comes from west or middle Tennessee.

Even if the venue remains the same, it is possible, though rare, to bring jurors in from outside of the area. A lot of it depends on $$$$ whether to go to the jurors or have them come to them. That's if it's granted at all.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I sure don't understand how some of you are calling these boys guilty. They have the right to a fair trial. I was down around Parsons talking to people and the collective response is "they don't have much of a case-they are putting those boys through hell trying to get them to confess because without a body they have nothing but circumstantial evidence at best-and not much of that"

In all likelihood they are involved however some lawyer has told them without physical evidence they can plea down to manslaughter-and more than likely be released on time served.

These are the very people who will be making up the jury pool and regardless of how they feel about Holly they are not going to send these boys to prison for life unless the state can prove it to their satisfaction.

People take jury duty seriously here and-as things stand now-the state has a problem.

This is not Hollywood or New York city, it's middle Tennessee. The same type of jury that let Mary Winkler off the murder charge because the State figured they had a slam dunk and put up a poor, somewhat lackluster, case. They didn't count on Mary's testimony- in which she was so believable and sincere-that she convinced everyone of the condition of the marriage.

The same exact thing is going to happen here with Holly's case. A group of people who were taking down a fireworks tent-an older man stated: " the prosecutors are trying to beat it out of those boys because they got their 'dicks hanging out in the wind' with no body and no proof and they look like fools" Most of the people agreed and I ask/pointed out: surly they don't think a middle Tennessee jury will send these boys to prison for life just because Holly was from around here" An older woman-his wife I assumed said: well they need to stop all the rumors around here that those boys are being beaten"

Local people who are openly commenting on the case have no clue to what the actual facts are or what the TBI/DA has in three years of discovery and investigation. Their opinion doesn't mean any more than anyone else who isn't privy to the actual facts/evidence in the cases. That is nothing but rank speculation and not supported by any facts to back it up. People always gossip when something like this happens locally even when they really don't know diddly squat about what the police has uncovered. That is just typical among locals anywhere.

Nothing but circumstantial evidence? Seriously??? Do they know that 90% of the case tried in court and won are CE cases? Evidently not.

Who says they don't have physical evidence? Who there has seen the thousands of pages of evidence and discovery?

There is no assurance that the trial will even be held in Darden but even if it is I still have faith they will do the right thing based on the evidence entered. And no, I don't think the DA is whistling Dixie either and he would never bring these cases to trial if he knew he didn't have the evidence to prove them BARD. In fact I think both cases will turnout to be death penalty cases just like in Sierra Lamar's case even though her body hasn't been found either.

I certainly hope that no matter where a person lives they always take their duty as a juror seriously. That is the job they will swear to uphold and I see no reason why it would be any different than any other small town who brings justice to victims or a large or medium town that has jurors who do day in and day out.

I never got the impression the DA in the Winkler case thought his case was a slam dunk. What he did not prepare for was how low Farese was willing to go to coach Winkler into appearing to be something she really wasn't. She was a horrible witness. Looking down when her attorney questioned her but looking up defiantly when the state crossed her. They just slapped her hand because they were so offended by the gaudy shoe that appeared out of no where. Several jurors have spoken out since her trial and said they wish they could go back and do it all over again. They had no idea she would get such little time. One even wanted first degree murder but caved under the pressure from 10 female jurors

BUT the Winkler case has nothing to do with the kidnapping and murder of beautiful Holly Bobo. Nothing about the cases are the same.

The old man down at the fireworks needs to read up on how many defendants are in prison for life where the bodies have never been located..........not even to this day years after the trial instead of spouting off about something he certainly knows nothing about. And unless he has seen for himself the 27-29K pages of discovery the TBI/DA has then he is no different than anyone else who hasn't seen the discovery either.

What 'boys' are you talking about? These guys (career criminals) are in their late 20s-30s with long rap sheets. They certainly aren't juveniles or 'boys.'

Why should they stop rumors? It isn't LEs responsibility to stop rumors. That's just silly to even expect that. We always hear rumors in every case and most of them turnout to be just that....rumors.

You don't understand why we are saying we think these 'boys' lol are guilty? Because we are on a crime message board, that's why, and are discussing criminal cases. What does that have to do with their rights to a fair trial.

We aren't going to be jurors at their trial but we sure have an entitled right to our own opinions/beliefs before, during, and even after the trial is over.

But yeah, IMO, the DA/TBI finally have the goods on these thugs even though it took them three years and that is why they were arrested when they were arrested and not sooner.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Is it still assumed that a change of venue will take place, or is it too late for that?

I don't see how the trial could be considered fair if the jury comes from west or middle Tennessee.

We are far off from when that has to be decided. The Judge has set tentative dates for the trial but that can and often does change. If the DA goes for the death penalty it will take years to come to trial, imo like it always does DP cases.

I think the best thing is what they have been doing lately and that is bringing in jurors from another jurisdiction. That is a lot less expensive than moving the entire trial somewhere else.

 

[SteveS]

According to Chris Conte there will be a report regarding the video tape (or lack thereof) at 6:00 PM. I have no link at this time.

We now know why the @TBInvestigation may be tight lipped about a video showing #HollyBobo after she was kidnapped. Details at 6pm @nc5

We'll see.


https://www.facebook.com/NC5ChrisConte?fref=nf

So, what explanation was offered?

 

[jggordo]

Good to see you Ocean. Long time no see. I agree with you wholeheartedly. However I have to admit that LE has created a bed of mistrust in this case. First of all by not being forthright about the progress or lack of for three years. Secondly by the handling or lack of previous offenses by all these criminals in the past.
And more recently the secrecy of searches and utilizing the Grand Jury to further extend that secrecy. By using the length of the case to delay giving Defense a real and justifiable Discovery of evidence, IMO APPEARS to be a delay tactic while LE firms up. To me LE should have provided anything given to the Grand Jury immediately at Preliminary. If that evidence was good enough for the GJ it should have been good enough for the Defense Attorneys.

And now we are coming to a point that IMO LE needs to "put up or shut up" regarding a video or recording. I agree that a case should not be tried in the press but LE can't have it both ways. I am in no way advocating for these fools. But IMO LE is starting to step on some Civil Rights issues that could down the road come back to Haunt.

JMO's

 

[Barbie54]

I believe this is the news story jggordo was referring to. They are talking about dropping charges against the Pearcy's.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/2...out-rumored-video-evidence-in-holly-bobo-case

 

[shefner]

I am beginning to think that LE is making even more mistakes. Frustrating to be sure.

 

[SteveS]

I believe this is the news story jggordo was referring to. They are talking about dropping charges against the Pearcy's.

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/2...out-rumored-video-evidence-in-holly-bobo-case

by NICK BERES

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Evidence in the Holly Bobo case remains a mystery despite the fact authorities have arrested two suspects.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation won't tip it's hand, but NewsChannel 5 has uncovered new revelations about the role of a confidential informant and whether a key piece of video evidence may really exist.

NewsChannel 5 has learned that investigators believe there could be cellphone video showing Holly Bobo after she disappeared.

"I don't believe there is any video evidence," said Fletcher Long. Neither does his client Jason Autry,who along with Zach Adams is charged with killing Holly Bobo.

Since our exclusive interview with Autry -- he's remained off-limits, but he's kept in contact by mail.

Autry's followed recent developments on the case and insists there's no video of a crime he didn't commit.

Of course, you would expect to hear that from a murder suspect and his lawyer. We hear the same thing from Jeffrey Pearcy.

"There's nothing to any of this," said Pearcy.

He and his step-brother Mark were both arrested, charged and jailed for tampering with evidence.

<mod snip>

"NewsChannel 5 has learned all state charges are expect to be dropped against the Pearcy brothers by the end of the month." << If this is true, the Pearcy's have had their lives turned upside down because LE was willing to arrest two people for having a video of a blonde lady on a phone, that was later deleted. Wow.

And for those of you who keep saying that these people somehow deserved such casual abuse of rights, because (in your estimation) they are some sort of career criminals, you're so wrong. ZA and JA have a long history of issues with the law, but the others not so much. A process like this, where uninvolved people are abused just because it's easy for LE to arrest someone, is NOT justice.

 

[Solitaryone]

by NICK BERES

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Evidence in the Holly Bobo case remains a mystery despite the fact authorities have arrested two suspects.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation won't tip it's hand, but NewsChannel 5 has uncovered new revelations about the role of a confidential informant and whether a key piece of video evidence may really exist.

NewsChannel 5 has learned that investigators believe there could be cellphone video showing Holly Bobo after she disappeared.

"I don't believe there is any video evidence," said Fletcher Long. Neither does his client Jason Autry,who along with Zach Adams is charged with killing Holly Bobo.

Since our exclusive interview with Autry -- he's remained off-limits, but he's kept in contact by mail.

Autry's followed recent developments on the case and insists there's no video of a crime he didn't commit.

Of course, you would expect to hear that from a murder suspect and his lawyer. We hear the same thing from Jeffrey Pearcy.

"There's nothing to any of this," said Pearcy.

He and his step-brother Mark were both arrested, charged and jailed for tampering with evidence.

<mod snip>

"NewsChannel 5 has learned all state charges are expect to be dropped against the Pearcy brothers by the end of the month." << If this is true, the Pearcy's have had their lives turned upside down because LE was willing to arrest two people for having a video of a blonde lady on a phone, that was later deleted. Wow.

And for those of you who keep saying that these people somehow deserved such casual abuse of rights, because (in your estimation) they are some sort of career criminals, you're so wrong. ZA and JA have a long history of issues with the law, but the others not so much. A process like this, where uninvolved people are abused just because it's easy for LE to arrest someone, is NOT justice.

Hitting the 'Thank's" button was not enough! I wonder if the ones in jail are even involved? I wonder if whoever is responsible for Holly Bobo's disappearance is someone LE doesn't even have on their radar??

 

[jggordo]

There is a case of Ryan Ferguson in MO where witnesses (2) said they were coerced in their statements. Nine years later his conviction has been overturned and is currently suing 14 defendants, including the city, county and all investigators for $100M. He is out of jail, writing books, charging for speaking engagements, and advocating to be on a cover fitness magazine.

https://www.facebook.com/FreedRyanFerguson

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?237659-Ryan-Ferguson-100M-Wrongful-Coviction-Lawsuit

 

[cluciano63]

Who did they learn this from? (That charges may be dropped) A defense attorney?

 

[reedus23]

I am assuming the CI has gone back on his/her statement? Or is the defense pushing this? If the CI has now said, "Hey, I might have gotten it wrong.", yeah, it's a pretty big guffaw but I see nothing LE or the DA can do about that. If it's the defense simply saying the CI has it wrong because the video is an ex-gf, then I hope LE and the DA don't back down. If the CI is sticking by their story, let a jury sort it out.

I'm not sure what else you ever thought LE had. I thought it was always understood they never actually had the video, that they were relying on a CI and there was always speculation that the video may have just shown Holly alive at some point after her abduction.

Not quite ready to jump on the soap box yet. Might yet happen, but not yet.

 

[shefner]

I am not convinced there is no video...even if the Pearcy's are totally innocent. If they are innocent, then the woman who viewed the video and claimed it was Bobo should be charged with a crime...IF she knowingly lied. She may have honestly felt it was Holly. Maybe they told her it was Holly just to see her reaction. And just because the Pearcy's aren't linked to it doesn't mean there isn't a video out there somewhere.

My frustration with TBI continues to grow. Even so, I do believe Adams and Autry played a hand in Holly's disappearance. Career criminals, they flaunted their destruction all over the county. They never were seriously punished. I think their arrogance plays right into the profile for Holly's abductors.

 

[SteveS]

If the CI is sticking by their story, let a jury sort it out.

I'm not sure what else you ever thought LE had. I thought it was always understood they never actually had the video, that they were relying on a CI and there was always speculation that the video may have just shown Holly alive at some point after her abduction.

Well, I thought they didn't appear to have much - - and I have been pointing out how abusive the arrest was, if what they had was the same as it has appeared. I'm not much for the idea that LE should go around arresting based on such flimsy allegations, with the innocent forced to prove their innocence through the legal system. I find that approach somewhere between abhorrent and repulsive.

 

[SteveS]

If they are innocent, then the woman who viewed the video and claimed it was Bobo should be charged with a crime...IF she knowingly lied. She may have honestly felt it was Holly.

IMO Given the very iffy set of "evidence" (if you can even call it that) to which they were reacting, LE should have done way more investigating of the ~ahem~ "facts" before arresting people and carting them off to jail. "She said so" with nothing more makes for an incredibly weak case.

 

[shefner]

TBI has been inept from the start. So disappointing if they mess this case up.

 

[Hatfield]

I'm getting very disgusted with how this case is being handled and I totally agree with the lawyer in this part even though he exaggerated...

"They seem intent on arresting everyone in the western part of the state. I'd be quite nervous if I lived on that side of the river," said Long."

If they keep this up, then you never know when it will be you or your relative that is carted off to jail next just because someone either made a mistake or has a vendetta against you or wants some of that large reward.

If they end up released and it was all a big mistake, I wonder if they will sue the state and the taxpayers may end up paying a good deal of money over this. When peoples property taxes go up because local LE has to pay huge lawsuits, then some people may change their opinion on LE tactics.

I am beginning to lose hope for a successful prosecution of anybody in Holly's case and I never thought I would feel that way so early on. This is beginning to get really upsetting and concerning.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I expected this outcome with respect to the Pearcy cases. What I find troubling is that they were arrested at all based on the word of one person. Scary.