Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[Mr. Noatak]

Unless there is physical evidence directly tying them to Holly's remains, I doubt they will turn. Holly being found 11 miles from Adam's property means little considering Holly's own home is close to where her remains were found as well. They also said remains were not buried. Didn't Adams threaten Dylan to put him "in the hole" next to her? Just sayin'. Dylan has been rumored to be the one who took a deal and gave evidence on Adams and Autry. His statements now have to match where the body was found and the other evidence surrounding the remains. Finding the remains means some peace for Holly's parents, but not sure this means the case against the two in jail got stronger other than the authorities can now prove she's dead.

My opinions only, no facts here:

Very good. Very, very good. The reported location of remains upon the ground surface discredits the supposed jail-house confession by the main suspect, and may also discredit the informant's version (if he claimed to know where she was BURIED). You are also spot-on about the significance of the location of the remains. This location is about as neutral as it gets, but could raise questions about other people and other possibilities.

Although any jury would have been easily convinced that Holly is deceased, the discovery of actual remains means the death penalty is clearly on the table. So, the two jailed suspects should start singing like canaries now, right? If they don't, something is strange. Either both are very confident of their innocence (and their defense?), or they are both exceptionally stoic.

Regarding a different post above, I plan to keep posting here, since my posts commonly revolve around suspect identity and suspect behavior.

Just before the recent discovery of remains, on Sept. 6, 2014 I posted on Websleuths:
"I intend to discuss my interpretation of the physical evidence in upcoming posts. In my PART I and PART II posts above, I basically have opined that the kidnapper does not closely resemble the two jailed major suspects, AND that Holly was taken northward after the kidnapping. In PART III, I will talk about the possible route to, and the possible significance of the Gooch Road evidence." The PART I and PART II posts are at: (“Holly Bobo missing from TN discussion thread” *Arrests* #5, posts no. 571 and 583).

The subsequent remarkably serendipitous discovery of Holly Bobo's remains do not detract from or discourage, but rather add to my resolve to complete PART III of my promised post. Also, this latest information is supportive to my previously-predicted northern track of the kidnapper(s).

Sleuth On!

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Regarding my most recent post, above, I am not ruling out that the remains have been disinterred and moved
to a new location. But this would have to be proven in court. Here is how a forensic specialist might approach this task:

Almost all soil profiles have an A, B, and C horizon. The A-horizon is near-surface, dark, and rich in organic material. The B-horizon is lighter-colored, and organic material is broken down. The deepest C-horizon is light-colored, organic-poor, and clay-rich. So, examine the remains. The embedded soils in the remains will tell a story about whether the remains were always shallow, or originally deeply-buried.

Sleuth On!

 

[SteveS]

Also, this latest information is supportive to my previously-predicted northern track of the kidnapper(s).

I don't see how.

While the remains site lies N of the Bobo house, there is no evidence to conclude that she was taken to that site directly from being abducted. In fact, I'd wager the vast majority of theories say she was elsewhere, and alive, for some period of time. Some even seem to think her dead body was discarded one place first, then another.

If any of that is the working hypothesis, then the EVENTUAL site of body disposal can tell us absolutely nothing about the route taken on the day of abduction.

By the way, I'm not arguing that she wasn't taken in a northerly direction that day. Maybe she was. Maybe she wasn't. All I saying is, if that's what we wanna know, this ultimate location for Holly doesn't really give us any help in figuring it out.

 

[Foxfire]

I don't see how.

While the remains site lies N of the Bobo house, there is no evidence to conclude that she was taken to that site directly from being abducted. In fact, I'd wager the vast majority of theories say she was elsewhere, and alive, for some period of time. Some even seem to think her dead body was discarded one place first, then another.

If any of that is the working hypothesis, then the EVENTUAL site of body disposal can tell us absolutely nothing about the route taken on the day of abduction.

By the way, I'm not arguing that she wasn't taken in a northerly direction that day. Maybe she was. Maybe she wasn't. All I saying is, if that's what we wanna know, this ultimate location for Holly doesn't really give us any help in figuring it out.

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Yep SteveS, her phone pings on 04/13/2011 indicates that she was taken to the body dump location after her abduction, but does not tell us how long that she was kept alive, or if she was later transported to other safe havens. The first day or two, if my memory is correct, the search area with the exception of the aerial search by the THP was only only a five mile radius of the Bobo home on Swan Johnson. Due to the full leave canopy in April, it would have been difficult to spot them from the air, imo. Seems that the radius was expanded to 25 miles after a couple of days.

 

[Roselvr]

New DA discusses changes in Bobo case
Posted: Sep 09, 2014 5:32 PM EDT Updated: Sep 09, 2014 7:29 PM EDT

Shayne Austin claimed he handed over information in this case to the TBI in exchange for immunity. He sued the state after learning that agreement might be in jeopardy over some of the statements he made that investigators believed were not completely honest.

"I'm going to keep that between us and his defense lawyers, what has happened there," Stowe said.

Austin has not been charged in the case.

After thousands of search hours, it was luck that led to the discovery of Bobo's skull in an area that had been searched before.

The skull was found near a home that Austin had moved into just two days before Bobo disappeared.

The skull, along with some of Bobo's personal effects, were found along the Bobo family's controversial cell phone ping map.

"When we did aerial surveillance the first day, we were basically chasing pings," Decatur County Sheriff Keith Byrd said. "We were looking in those areas where the cell phones had pinged off towers, and that was one of the towers."

 

[SteveS]

Yep SteveS, her phone pings on 04/13/2011 indicates that she was taken to the body dump location after her abduction....

I don't think that's what the pings actually indicated, but I could be wrong. (Unless I have missed a major information release, LE undoubtedly has ALL of the pings, and the timing of those pings, but we only have a tiny bit.)

We have been told there were some pings off of that tower at some point. But:
(a) a ping wouldn't mean that the phone is at that tower, but only that it is in range of it
(b) we don't know when, and
(c) we don't know the sequence of the various pings from each tower to her phone, which (if I'm not mistaken) continued for some period of time (even days) and involved multiple towers.

 

[SteveS]

Regarding the repeated statements that they have more people they need to round up, I have a hard time taking that at face value. We heard that before, when JA was arrested, yet nothing came of it.

That being the case, I have to wonder if maybe that's just something they like to say as they think they have most of their case in place, in hopes that there is someone out there who knows something helpful, and in hearing that will get scared with the thought that "Hey, it could be me they're thinking of" and decide to come forward to make a deal.

Of course, maybe they have a whole list in the works to arrest soon. Who knows?

 

[Arnie M]

Very good 18 minute news conference video shown on the Tennessean news link

Interview with the family (spokesman) .... plus comments by the sheriff ... plus a few more details

http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...bo-family-press-conference-response/15343731/

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[Foxfire]

New DA discusses changes in Bobo case
Posted: Sep 09, 2014 5:32 PM EDT Updated: Sep 09, 2014 7:29 PM EDT

Imo, this is the most transparency displayed in this 41 month investigation since 04/13/2011. Seems, the WOW Team info may have been much more accurate than the TBI initially reported, imo.. Imo, silence, lack of transparency, and media management by the TBI has been "irresponsible, unprofessional, and has been very harmful to the Holly Bobo investigation"..

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The skull, along with some of Bobo's personal effects, were found along the Bobo family's controversial cell phone ping map.

The Bobo family, with the help of private detectives, plotted cell phone pings from Bobo's phone.

"When we did aerial surveillance the first day, we were basically chasing pings," Decatur County Sheriff Keith Byrd said. "We were looking in those areas where the cell phones had pinged off towers, and that was one of the towers."

The TBI would not confirm or deny pings from Bobo's cell phone.
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http://www.wsmv.com/story/22285648/...t-investigators-wsmv-about-holly-bobo-reports
After two years of what felt like no movement on the case, the family reached out to the not-for-profit Without Warning.

Private detectives Sheila Wysocki, Mike Kenney, Lou Leiker and Paul Fantuzzi, all volunteers with hugely successful careers, helped the family reorganize two years of clues and information and then shared theories and leads developed on the case.

The TBI said the Without Warning team put a cell phone ping map of Bobo's phone together based on incorrect and unofficial information.

"The erroneous television reports have led to false leads, public concern and have wasted valuable state resources," said TBI Director Mary Gwyn in a news release.

Gwyn called the Channel 4 News reports "irresponsible and unprofessional and harmful to the case."

 

[SteveS]

It looks like TBI has been doing their best to keep investigative info and leads from being shared where anyone else can help. I don't know if that's good or bad, but when their method appears to have hindered the resolution of the case, it certainly raises a lot of questions.

 

[Dogface]

Question, and it wouldn't prove anything, but anyone on a PC try looking at the GPS info attached to the picture ZA posted of himself in the woods?

 

[sophiebelle]

It looks like TBI has been doing their best to keep investigative info and leads from being shared where anyone else can help. I don't know if that's good or bad, but when their method appears to have hindered the resolution of the case, it certainly raises a lot of questions.

I think that went on even in the beginning. When they see things aren't working, are they too proud to change their ways? I felt like the same thing happened in the Karen Swift (also TN) case. No killer has ever been named, and it appears it's the DA on that part. But nothing was released to help find Karen.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

RIP Holly

 

[SteveS]

Question, and it wouldn't prove anything, but anyone on a PC try looking at the GPS info attached to the picture ZA posted of himself in the woods?

Are you sure there's a GPS tag attached?

 

[Dogface]

Not 100%, I'm on my phone, but if taken with a smart phone there is a good chance there is.

 

[Dogface]

Well unfortunately I think fb removes that data from more searching I have done, yet I still get all those stories on my feeds about how my location is being shown to thieves. I don't know if they have always removed the exif data, so perhaps it may be on there if it's a newer policy!

 

[SteveS]

I've discovered the cell tower map, which shows all the towers in the area.
http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=Parsons&state_abr=tn

If we consider the crime-related area of the NW quadrant of Decatur County, bounded by I-40 on the N, Hwy 69 on the E, Hwy 412 on the S, and the county line on the W, it's about a 5 mi by 15 mile rectangle. The Bobo home would be near the bottom (or S), the Adams home at the NE, and the remains site at the NW of that rectangle.

In that entire rectangle, there are towers in only 2 general areas - a few placed along I-40 on the N side of that rectangle, and a few along 412 on the S side. There are no towers between the 2 roads, nor up and down 69, nor up and down Bible Hill Rd.

 

[Dogface]

Does anyone have the original picture from his fb? I can't seem to find it! I can find screenshots of it, but did anyone save it directly from his fb?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Does anyone have the original picture from his fb? I can't seem to find it! I can find screenshots of it, but did anyone save it directly from his fb?

:seeya: Hi DF ! This is not an original from FB (I don't do FB), but I did an image search and found this:

This may not help, but hopefully it will help in finding the original pic.

 

[tlcya]

Dogface, I have scoured the web for an image of a screenshot that still includes the orignal info. Came up empty