HOLLY BOBO on Nashville's Channel Four 4-29-13

[zaza]

Zaza, I think they both are describing the same place just in a different way. Pretty sure the quarry they are referring to is Vulcan Materials just south of Apac Drive off 69, 3 miles north of Parsons. Google says 5.5 miles from Holly's to the quarry but one of the reports above said something like 8 miles. Wish they all could synchronize their facts.

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...ou--ilVPPD0fGJ8iDH8ogZywZ59cA&mra=ls&t=m&z=14

Yes, Plumeria, you are right! That map just looks so odd. I didn't realize that the industrial area was more east than north. Glad we put that to rest, was driving me a bit crazy. Thank you!:banghead:

 

[norest4thewicked]

About the words "no why"...they could have two completely different meanings.

No, why? is completely different than -

NO! Why?

This is just yet another detail to get everyone all worked up about. Either thing could have (and obviously did) been said. I don't get why details like this are questioned since there are so many other things that have more validity and could be speculated. I guess that when people get caught up in these cases that are so mysterious and frustrating, we begin grasping at straws.

 

[Oriah]

Im interested in the route that the cell phone supposedly diagramed via GPS. That map is shown in the video briefly and either from weird angles, close up and then finally at a brief distance but far enough away that you can't really make out the exact route. I've tried to capture a still but not possible to get anything legible or a complete, detailed map.

By diagrammed- are you referring to the ping triangulation of various towers that picked up the signal or bounced the signal to another tower? Or are you referring to a possible route of travel based upon the pings? TIA

 

[wfgodot]

I respectfully disagree. I think it is possible that an initial response to a stranger confrontation who is urging, 'come with me' could be, 'no, why?' - the reply could be a result of surprise and initial confusion. And actually, we don't know what this guy said to her as he approached her. He could have initially asked her a question to try to coax her away voluntarily. I just think there are several possible scenarios. And it's also possible that the brother thinks he heard, "no, why" but she may have said something else. Nothing seems certain with this case other than the limited physical evidence and the fact that her brother saw the abductor lead Holly away from the house through the woods. I'm inclined to think it was a planned abduction by a serial predator. If the newly released gps map truly indicates that he circled back toward the crime scene then he's brazen and shows he's someone who has probably done this before. JMO

Well-put, of course, but I would suggest serial predators do not crouch within feet of one's house and hold conversations, bargaining - but, rather, overwhelm the victim and gain quick physical control - and not usually on a weekday morning in the victim's rural yard. Nothing is certain, true, but odds are in favor of a local who knew the Bobo family's routine and were familiar with the intricacies of the property. Could the local also be a serial predator? Perhaps. Though one would think LE has covered that aspect thoroughly in the search for the perpetrator.

 

[reedus23]

Just bumping for reedus23.

And the New Prospect Cemetery is just south of point B where the T J Evans Road intersects Prospect Rd.

Thanks Plumeria. I think the map I had tried to plot out based on their map is close to what you have, though I think I had it going north immediately from the Bobo's instead of looping down south before heading north again. So difficult to tell. I've never built a map before, so I'll see if I can post mine and maybe compare the 2 an see what we come up with.

Also, how did you find the cemetery? I tried googling every which way and had no success and I couldn't walk the streets on google maps because they are too remote I suppose. TIA

 

[Kimster]

Well-put, of course, but I would suggest serial predators do not crouch within feet of one's house and hold conversations, bargaining - but, rather, overwhelm the victim and gain quick physical control - and not usually on a weekday morning in the victim's rural yard. Nothing is certain, true, but odds are in favor of a local who knew the Bobo family's routine and were familiar with the intricacies of the property. Could the local also be a serial predator? Perhaps. Though one would think LE has covered that aspect thoroughly in the search for the perpetrator.

I have to disagree. After having set up the Serial Killer forum, I read a LOT about how SKs get their victims to trust them. One method they all use is to lure the victim to a place where they CAN overwhelm the victim. He needed to get her away from her house in case someone came along - to the place where she was completely helpless. His words, and possibly an unseen weapon, lured her away, IMO.

 

[wfgodot]

I have to disagree. After having set up the Serial Killer forum, I read a LOT about how SKs get their victims to trust them. One method they all use is to lure the victim to a place where they CAN overwhelm the victim. He needed to get her away from her house in case someone came along - to the place where she was completely helpless. His words, and possibly an unseen weapon, lured her away, IMO.

Yeah, Ted Bundy was apparently excellent at it, getting that trust, true. I think my aversion to the organized predator theory rests more in the time and location of the kidnap, both of which seem rather unlikely, especially for one not (apparently) knowing who might be inside the house. Then again, that wouldn't have stopped a Bundy. But, thankfully, evil masters of the game like Bundy are few and far between.

 

[Kimster]

Yeah, Ted Bundy was apparently excellent at it, getting that trust, true. I think my aversion to the organized predator theory rests more in the time and location of the kidnap, both of which seem rather unlikely, especially for one not (apparently) knowing who might be inside the house. Then again, that wouldn't have stopped a Bundy. But, thankfully, evil masters of the game like Bundy are few and far between.

Brooke Wilberger was lured to the perp's vehicle in a busy college community. My son lives in the same town and it blows my mind how he got her without a soul seeing a thing!

 

[wfgodot]

Brooke Wilberger was lured to the perp's vehicle in a busy college community. My son lives in the same town and it blows my mind how he got her without a soul seeing a thing!

I think we'd all like to think we could spot the monsters. In Kansas City I used to take a shortcut (!) through the serial killer and kidnap torturer Bob Berdella's shop, on my way to Westport and bookstores. I recognized at the time it seemed a dark place, but it didn't stop me from using it as a convenience, nor could I have imagined that, at the time, Berdella had one or more victims tied up in his home.

 

[Vyb]

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum and it's the Holly Bobo case that brought me here. We have a lake house near Parsons so this case is near and dear to me.

I'm not who said it, but I agree with a previous post that wondered if too much is being made of the route taken. I mean, while it used to be the case that only a local would know those roads (hell, I remember when roads near there weren't even named), even two years ago a GPS can get you around those side roads just fine.

Just my two cents. Weird about the cemetery though.

 

[Kimster]

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum and it's the Holly Bobo case that brought me here. We have a lake house near Parsons so this case is near and dear to me.

I'm not who said it, but I agree with a previous post that wondered if too much is being made of the route taken. I mean, while it used to be the case that only a local would know those roads (hell, I remember when roads near there weren't even named), even two years ago a GPS can get you around those side roads just fine.

Just my two cents. Weird about the cemetery though.

:greetings:

:welcome: :wagon:

 

[Vyb]

:greetings:

:welcome: :wagon:

Thanx eace:

 

[zaza]

By diagrammed- are you referring to the ping triangulation of various towers that picked up the signal or bounced the signal to another tower? Or are you referring to a possible route of travel based upon the pings? TIA

I'm referring to the actual path as in roads traveled as well as the tower pings. I think every clue is important and priceless.

 

[reedus23]

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum and it's the Holly Bobo case that brought me here. We have a lake house near Parsons so this case is near and dear to me.

I'm not who said it, but I agree with a previous post that wondered if too much is being made of the route taken. I mean, while it used to be the case that only a local would know those roads (hell, I remember when roads near there weren't even named), even two years ago a GPS can get you around those side roads just fine.

Just my two cents. Weird about the cemetery though.

Welcome!!! You may very well be right. What I find curious though by the route, assuming it is accurate, is that there were multiple opportunities/directions the perp could have gone and gotten clear out of town immediately. Instead, the perp decided to stay local. Knowing that there would eventually be a police presence, I just don't see someone who is not local doing that (and when I say local, I don't mean literally Parsons, but maybe a surrounding area). Someone not local, I would think at the least would have jumped on 40 and gotten further away. The circling back portion of the route really has me perplexed. Why do it?

 

[wfgodot]

Tonight's episode:
TONIGHT AT 6pm: Is Holly Bobo's Abductor Taunting Her Family? - WSMV-TV, 5/8/13 - YouTube

 

[Vyb]

Welcome!!! You may very well be right. What I find curious though by the route, assuming it is accurate, is that there were multiple opportunities/directions the perp could have gone and gotten clear out of town immediately. Instead, the perp decided to stay local. Knowing that there would eventually be a police presence, I just don't see someone who is not local doing that (and when I say local, I don't mean literally Parsons, but maybe a surrounding area). Someone not local, I would think at the least would have jumped on 40 and gotten further away. The circling back portion of the route really has me perplexed. Why do it?

Well that's a good point, and I do think it was probably someone local anyway.

21 creepies at the coon hunt? Not all that shocked.

 

[Vyb]

Tonight's episode:
TONIGHT AT 6pm: Is Holly Bobo's Abductor Taunting Her Family? - WSMV-TV, 5/8/13 - YouTube

Can't wait to watch.

I wondered if the purse was a taunt. Seemed so strange that it appeared almost 2 years to the day after her disappearance.

[SARCASM] Then I started thinking...you know, this Holly Bobo story has brought A LOT of attention to previously unknown little Parsons. After years and years and years of folks saying "You know, Parsons needs a McDonald's," it's only after the media attention and enormous numbers of volunteer searchers descending on the little town that Parsons finally gets a McDonald's (right across from the UT Martin satellite campus Holly attended, btw). Maybe a public official is planting purses and other taunts just to keep the Holly Bobo story alive. Who knows? Maybe if they keep it up, Parsons will stay in the public eye and keep prospering. Maybe one day they'll even have a Five Guys! [/SARCASM]

 

[Foxfire]

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Originally Posted by wfgodot
Well-put, of course, but I would suggest serial predators do not crouch within feet of one's house and hold conversations, bargaining - but, rather, overwhelm the victim and gain quick physical control - and not usually on a weekday morning in the victim's rural yard. Nothing is certain, true, but odds are in favor of a local who knew the Bobo family's routine and were familiar with the intricacies of the property. Could the local also be a serial predator? Perhaps. Though one would think LE has covered that aspect thoroughly in the search for the perpetrator.

I have to disagree. After having set up the Serial Killer forum, I read a LOT about how SKs get their victims to trust them. One method they all use is to lure the victim to a place where they CAN overwhelm the victim. He needed to get her away from her house in case someone came along - to the place where she was completely helpless. His words, and possibly an unseen weapon, lured her away, IMO.

Hey can I agree and disagree with both of you?

wfgodot, as you are aware, serial killers/predators come from all walks of life, are very calculating, creative, deflective, cagey, and manipulative, and will do the unexpected.. Although some SKs such as Theodore Robert Cowell/Bundy, are opportunistic when choosing and then attacking their victims. Others such as Dennis Rader/BTK, would spend weeks or months reconning/stalking his victims and their normal routines. BTK said that he enjoyed the hunt, even more than the kill..

Due to many factors, imo, there is a new hybrid of predator/serial killer in the 21st century that is a combination of those that came before. These hybrid predators are investigative & forensically aware and have honed their skills for years and even decades.

Kimster, I agree that Holly's abductor's intent was to lure her to another location/safe haven. Her scream/s and her blood residue indicates physical violence and/or the use of a weapon to gain compliance; the 1st rule of prey. In many abductions, the predator will also use the threats of harm to family members or others, to insure compliance while removing the victim to a predetermined safe haven..

On the morning of 04/13/2011 when Holly was abducted, there was only one variation to the Bobo's family routine. Clint was home preparing for a school paper. Imo, the perp became aware of Clint's presence and threatened harm to him if she didn't comply with his demands..

Imo, Holly Bobo was abducted by an experienced sexual predator/hybrid serial killer who had carefully preplanned the crime..

 

[Plumeria5]

Thanks Plumeria. I think the map I had tried to plot out based on their map is close to what you have, though I think I had it going north immediately from the Bobo's instead of looping down south before heading north again. So difficult to tell. I've never built a map before, so I'll see if I can post mine and maybe compare the 2 an see what we come up with.

Also, how did you find the cemetery? I tried googling every which way and had no success and I couldn't walk the streets on google maps because they are too remote I suppose. TIA

BBM

I found this website about the cemetery:

http://www.tngenweb.org/records/decatur/cemeteries/prospect.htm

Then I used Google Earth to find where on the map it appeared a cemetery is both north and south of Prospect Road. Maybe our new local can verify it?

Here is the Google Earth link
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=holl...pose=35.77642786,-88.17616287,344.2,0,37.29,0

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.wsmv.com/story/22199731/holly-bobos-family-taunted-as-they-seek-her-return
Holly Bobo's family taunted as they seek her return