How Wal-Mart could play into this.........

[watcher9]

Concerning the doors, I know that Kmart has both auto and push doors and then a small foyer-like area and then a second set of doors going in. I'm thinking that Target also has the same setup, but am not sure. I wonder if he was mistaken in which store he saw her?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

QB found this at marinadedaves site here the link:
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/


Here's the video:
YouTube - Walmart TechBay

This is making it not look so good; I'm disappointed that some of the facts in JT's statement seem to be falling apart.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Anyone able to tell when the Redbox DVD machines first appeared @ the Casselberry Walmart? rayer:

Drink machines down that exit hallway too.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I am having an issue with JT's statement in regards to KC wanting to write and/or cash a check in his store when she supposively visited that store on June 9th.

From reviewing previous statements and documents, it appears that KC did not come into possession of Amy's checkbook until sometime around the second week of July (wrote checks to Target and Winn Dixie on July 8 and 10), and this was around the time that Amy went to PR.

So if JT's statement is true, whose checkbook did KC have access to? It doesn't appear to me that she had access to Amy's (the only one we are aware of that she stole) during the first week of JUNE? He certainly seems to be going into great detail recently about her wanting to cash a check and his suspicion that "someone her age would have a checkbook". (My daughter is 17, and yes, has a checkbook and debit card.)

Or is it possible that after a year, JT is mistaken on his time frame and KC did visit his store, but in July (obviously without Caylee)? Have we checked the ping records for July?

This part of his statement is just not making sense to me.....(in reality, his whole statement is flawed to me....not saying he is being untruthful, just saying that too many precise details of information that was already public knowledge a year after case began).

I am still wondering if perhaps he is honestly trying to help, and when finally coming forward with a statement, he subconciously included details he had learned from the media (like us) to substantiate his story as realistic.

As a side note, I own a business that is frequently visited by regular clientele. I am also constantly teased about my "photogenic memory" as for some reason, I can recall situations from the past like a movie running through my head. HOWEVER, I can pretty much guarantee that if any one of you asked me to relay, in precise detail, a significant day from last year (Oct 2008) involving a visit by one of my clients, I doubt that I could give such precise details as to what they were wearing, etc....but that is just me. What about you?

 

[strach304]

The check issue was an important aspect to many of us early on since we knew she didn't have Amys at that time. The way I see it is that the date may coincide with when she was stealing from G-Ma. Then there is also the possibility of her getting a hold of Cindys. Lee? Anyone really, friends?

 

[RevCrim]

Anyone able to tell when the Redbox DVD machines first appeared @ the Casselberry Walmart? rayer:

Drink machines down that exit hallway too.

Great post- I am also thinking now- possibly renting or returning movies,
developing film, using indoor ATM, or bank.

 

[RevCrim]

The check issue was an important aspect to many of us early on since we knew she didn't have Amys at that time. The way I see it is that the date may coincide with when she was stealing from G-Ma. Then there is also the possibility of her getting a hold of Cindys. Lee? Anyone really, friends?

Great post- I never believed the fight between CA and KC was over SP's money. So possibly it was over cleaning out CA's account. After all, for a month before taking AH's checks, KC always had money, and even it is alledged KC had around $1400.00 for JB when he was hired to represent her.
She certainly got it from somewhere. Remember CA alledegedly grabbed the $200.00 or whatever, from KC's wallet on the night of the 15th of July, and claimed it was probably her money anyway, per Lee. (CA did not say it was probably SP's money.) I alo recall in one of GA's interview with LE, where he claimed financially, they were cleaned out, or wiped out. Could be that on the way home from Mt Dora, CA tried to use her card and it was rejected.

CA called KC to get home and CA had time then to stew over it, as KC didn't rush home.
Just some thoughts!

 

[mom2chloe]

The check issue was an important aspect to many of us early on since we knew she didn't have Amys at that time. The way I see it is that the date may coincide with when she was stealing from G-Ma. Then there is also the possibility of her getting a hold of Cindys. Lee? Anyone really, friends?

IIRC, in the video of TL and LA in TL's truck, LA mentioned a missing check that he did not know who the check was written to and I believe the implication was that the check was CA's. Off to check for a transcript.

 

[cecybeans]

Great post- I never believed the fight between CA and KC was over SP's money. So possibly it was over cleaning out CA's account. After all, for a month before taking AH's checks, KC always had money, and even it is alledged KC had around $1400.00 for JB when he was hired to represent her.
She certainly got it from somewhere. Remember CA alledegedly grabbed the $200.00 or whatever, from KC's wallet on the night of the 15th of July, and claimed it was probably her money anyway, per Lee. (CA did not say it was probably SP's money.) I alo recall in one of GA's interview with LE, where he claimed financially, they were cleaned out, or wiped out. Could be that on the way home from Mt Dora, CA tried to use her card and it was rejected.

CA called KC to get home and CA had time then to stew over it, as KC didn't rush home.
Just some thoughts!

IIRC, the money in KC's wallet most likely belonged to Amy, we had speculated, (and therefore thought CA grabbing it a bit premature), but I suppose it could have been an ATM amount from CA's machine.

However, if KC had previously used it on Father's Day and a big fight ensued, I'd think that CA would have gotten a new PIN when KC left home, particularly in July when she realized she was being given the run-around and excuses for not seeing her granddaughter. Why allow your daughter to continue stealing cash if she refuses to cooperate by producing your granddaughter?

 

[Gma Kat]

snipped for brevity....

The Wal-Mart story blows away GA's story, completely. GA hasn't said what took place on the morning of the 16th.

RevCrim - great post. I remember GA recently coming out with the "new" June 16th story wherein he claimed to have put Caylee in Kc's car as they left, which he never stated before that time. I believe that both versions of GA's previous accounts regarding the morning of 6/16 do not jive with JT's Wal-mart siting.

 

[The World According]

Whether or not Caylee was killed following WalMart vs. the night before at the Anthony home, I still believe Casey chloroformed her with a rag before applying the duct tape. She invested too much time and research into chloroform, not to use it and rely on something like Benadryl. She was out to permanently silence this child!

To me , it is very important that Casey brought up cloriform to Tracy, and that she knew it can knock you out. Why in the world would any normal, healthy 22 year old girl, who hadn't searched it (Someone else did it) on her computer know about this?

I agree she drugged her, then put the tape on a live baby and put the baby in the trunk to go get busy with Tony .

 

[RevCrim]

Okay guys ! I'm back to the fetal position-

In researching a little- as I have no medical background what-so-ever- I am quite confused- so any input here is greatly appreciated.

First of all, I was under the impression that JT saw KC and Caylee at Wal-Mart around noon- but I just watched JT's video on Wesh.com and he says around 4 PM. If this is true- this is HUGE !


However, I have been check different sites and find that one could go into a fetal position from:
A head or brain injury-which brings to mind when KC claimed Nanny had an accident and had a concusion, and the next day a nurse found a laceration behind her ear. I said at the time to someone that I wonder if she was really referring to Caylee, and not Nanny.
Could Caylee have been hit in the head with something, and died from her injuries?
Or, another site claims that one who is drugged can go into a fetal postion- I recall the new info of the vial with a liquid in with the body, and the syringe being found near the body. Was the child drugged and as she was going into a drugged state did she curl into
a fetal position?
I have a hard time with the third idea, that a dead body could go into a fetal position, because doesn't rigormortis set in quite soon after death?

Love some help from any medical folks.

 

[essies]

Okay guys ! I'm back to the fetal position-

In researching a little- as I have no medical background what-so-ever- I am quite confused- so any input here is greatly appreciated.

First of all, I was under the impression that JT saw KC and Caylee at Wal-Mart around noon- but I just watched JT's video on Wesh.com and he says around 4 PM. If this is true- this is HUGE !


However, I have been check different sites and find that one could go into a fetal position from:
A head or brain injury-which brings to mind when KC claimed Nanny had an accident and had a concusion, and the next day a nurse found a laceration behind her ear. I said at the time to someone that I wonder if she was really referring to Caylee, and not Nanny.
Could Caylee have been hit in the head with something, and died from her injuries?
Or, another site claims that one who is drugged can go into a fetal postion- I recall the new info of the vial with a liquid in with the body, and the syringe being found near the body. Was the child drugged and as she was going into a drugged state did she curl into
a fetal position?
I have a hard time with the third idea, that a dead body could go into a fetal position, because doesn't rigormortis set in quite soon after death?

Love some help from any medical folks.

Perhaps Caylee suffered from shaken baby syndrome?

http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/injury/shaken-baby-syndrome/overview.html
<snipped>
Shaken baby injuries usually occur in children younger than 2 years old but may be seen in children up to the age of 5.Shaken baby syndrome can occur from as little as 5 seconds of shaking.

Such shaking usually takes place when the infant is crying inconsolably and the frustrated caregiver loses control. The violent shaking may result in severe injuries to the infant, permanent brain damage, or death

When an infant or toddler is shaken, the brain bounces back and forth against the skull. This can cause bruising of the brain (cerebral contusion), swelling, pressure, and bleeding in the brain

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Okay guys ! I'm back to the fetal position-

In researching a little- as I have no medical background what-so-ever- I am quite confused- so any input here is greatly appreciated.

First of all, I was under the impression that JT saw KC and Caylee at Wal-Mart around noon- but I just watched JT's video on Wesh.com and he says around 4 PM. If this is true- this is HUGE !


However, I have been check different sites and find that one could go into a fetal position from:
A head or brain injury-which brings to mind when KC claimed Nanny had an accident and had a concusion, and the next day a nurse found a laceration behind her ear. I said at the time to someone that I wonder if she was really referring to Caylee, and not Nanny.
Could Caylee have been hit in the head with something, and died from her injuries?
Or, another site claims that one who is drugged can go into a fetal postion- I recall the new info of the vial with a liquid in with the body, and the syringe being found near the body. Was the child drugged and as she was going into a drugged state did she curl into
a fetal position?
I have a hard time with the third idea, that a dead body could go into a fetal position, because doesn't rigormortis set in quite soon after death?

Love some help from any medical folks.

First a disclaimer: not really medical ~ no hands-on here; mostly administrative type medical. But from my experience a fetal position can be caused by any number of physical elements. Cold, drugs, sleepiness, pain ~ the list is almost endless with sources both innocent and malignant. But it can also be caused by emotional states like fear. It is not surprising that it could easily be linked with many death experiences. I'm not sure we can gain a lot of useful information from the position other than it seems to be self protective and self comforting. Both of which are very, very sad.

 

[RevCrim]

Thank guys- lots of useful info here. LOTS OF THINGS TO PONDER.

 

[Just Jayla]

The check issue was an important aspect to many of us early on since we knew she didn't have Amys at that time. The way I see it is that the date may coincide with when she was stealing from G-Ma. Then there is also the possibility of her getting a hold of Cindys. Lee? Anyone really, friends?

First thing I thought-had to be grandma's....Maybe CAs....if this is true...

 

[mitzi]

To me , it is very important that Casey brought up cloriform to Tracy, and that she knew it can knock you out. Why in the world would any normal, healthy 22 year old girl, who hadn't searched it (Someone else did it) on her computer know about this?

I agree she drugged her, then put the tape on a live baby and put the baby in the trunk to go get busy with Tony .

I was reading on the duct tape thread how only the "cotton" part of the duct tape used on Caylee was not there, and it was on the tape on the gas can...and thanks to Valhall***(you da woman!), she has found out that cotton will rot away in the everglades soil (ie. Florida). So, what if KC had put chloraform on one of George's "cotton" hankies, (and I've seen him use one at a hearing), placed it over Caylee's mouth, then applied the duct tape...wouldn't the cotton hankie disintegrate? And leave just the duct tape with no evidence of chloraform?

 

[sleutherontheside]

As far as the "cashing a check".....I admit I'll have to go back and re-read the statement.* IIRC, I was thinking she wanted to write a check not cash a check.* Who knows who the check belonged to....CA, TonE,, blah blah blah.* Wasn't there a comment made about not having a check system and so he relied on cash, debit, or credit?* It's late and I will go back to read his statement but I only recall him mentioning checks from the car lot accross the street.* BBS, but wanted to throw it out there while I search.Heres the statement portion I recalled.

 

[Kentjbkent]

As far as the "cashing a check".....I admit I'll have to go back and re-read the statement.* IIRC, I was thinking she wanted to write a check not cash a check.* Who knows who the check belonged to....CA, TonE,, blah blah blah.* Wasn't there a comment made about not having a check system and so he relied on cash, debit, or credit?* It's late and I will go back to read his statement but I only recall him mentioning checks from the car lot accross the street.* BBS, but wanted to throw it out there while I search.Heres the statement portion I recalled.

Be sure to listen to his subsequent media interviews as well because if I am not mistaken, it was during this last media interview that he went into greater detail about the check business and why he does/won't cash checks as a general rule

 

[BondJamesBond]

IIRC, in the video of TL and LA in TL's truck, LA mentioned a missing check that he did not know who the check was written to and I believe the implication was that the check was CA's. Off to check for a transcript.

:waitasec: I had completely forgotten 'bout that comment, M2C.

A check of Cindy's that they didn't know the final disposition of would possibly be a check that Casey had with her and had to toss if she'd started filling/filled out to a Payee and then the Payee (e.g. Walmart) refused to accept it. There had certainly been enough time for a check to clear when Lee made that comment, eh? Interesting observation. :clap: