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Human Predators Stalk Haiti's Vulnerable Kids
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Thank you, Lambada, I had missed the video. I have been to Haiti two times and I will never forget it. There is something unforgettable about the people, the land, the busy-ness. Maybe it is the pride of so many of the Haitians in the midst of what for most of us, would be utter desperation.
It seems to be a country always at the tipping point just one twist around the bend from disaster. It is rife with imperfections of its own but it seems despicable for foreigners--Duarte, Silsby, the UN workers who rape--to bring their own evil agendas into the midst of those who struggle so valiantly each day.
It seems to be a country always at the tipping point just one twist around the bend from disaster. It is rife with imperfections of its own but it seems despicable for foreigners--Duarte, Silsby, the UN workers who rape--to bring their own evil agendas into the midst of those who struggle so valiantly each day.
'It had been unclear whether Jorge Puello would be extradited to the U.S., where he is wanted on smuggling charges, or El Salvador, where authorities allege he led a prostitution ring.
Gisela Cueto, an assistant general prosecutor for the Dominican Republic, told The Associated Press on Monday that Puello will face extradition to the U.S. at an April 28 hearing even though the El Salvador charges are more serious. She said the Central American nation did not complete a formal extradition request.'
'Lawyer' for US missionaries faces US extradition
No formal request??? See earlier posts on this subject.
Gisela Cueto, an assistant general prosecutor for the Dominican Republic, told The Associated Press on Monday that Puello will face extradition to the U.S. at an April 28 hearing even though the El Salvador charges are more serious. She said the Central American nation did not complete a formal extradition request.'
'Lawyer' for US missionaries faces US extradition
No formal request??? See earlier posts on this subject.
While I am not in country and do not have the contacts and valuable resources of Lambada, I do have some sources whao have confirmed the following:
When Jorge was hired by the church in Idaho he went to Silsby and the others in the Haitian jail.
There Silsby gave him some documents from the Dominican Republic, perhaps the lease of the Catholic church hotel.
On the papers Jorge saw the name of the woman lawyer, Santos, and contacted her. At that point Jorge suspected that Santos was organizing paper documents authorizing passage of Silsby and her group into the DR with a number of "orphans."
The Santos plan was for Silsby to bring or cause the church to make a substantial payment upon crossing the border ($12,000). When Silsby arrived with the children she did not have the promised money, the plan failed. Silsby went to real DR authorities in Port au Prince and was told by the Counsel that taking the children from Haiti was illegal. Silsby was arrested upon her return to the border.
Then Jorge discovered that there was an illegal trafficking ring where the General and Santos were in charge.
I cannot vouch for the veracity of this assertion but it seems credible to me given the facts that we know. Let's see how this all pans out.
The good news: Silsby remains in jail, the Haitian judge seems to be in no hurry, and the Mississippi flows unvexed to the sea.
When Jorge was hired by the church in Idaho he went to Silsby and the others in the Haitian jail.
There Silsby gave him some documents from the Dominican Republic, perhaps the lease of the Catholic church hotel.
On the papers Jorge saw the name of the woman lawyer, Santos, and contacted her. At that point Jorge suspected that Santos was organizing paper documents authorizing passage of Silsby and her group into the DR with a number of "orphans."
The Santos plan was for Silsby to bring or cause the church to make a substantial payment upon crossing the border ($12,000). When Silsby arrived with the children she did not have the promised money, the plan failed. Silsby went to real DR authorities in Port au Prince and was told by the Counsel that taking the children from Haiti was illegal. Silsby was arrested upon her return to the border.
Then Jorge discovered that there was an illegal trafficking ring where the General and Santos were in charge.
I cannot vouch for the veracity of this assertion but it seems credible to me given the facts that we know. Let's see how this all pans out.
The good news: Silsby remains in jail, the Haitian judge seems to be in no hurry, and the Mississippi flows unvexed to the sea.
Then Jorge discovered that there was an illegal trafficking ring where the General and Santos were in charge.
I cannot vouch for the veracity of this assertion but it seems credible to me given the facts that we know. Let's see how this all pans out.
Maybe that would explain why if Jorge goes anywhere from the DR, it is likely to be initially to the US & not El Salvador? Maybe the US authorities want to pursue this line of investigation?
Meanwhile, Ms. Silsby is.............proselytising:
Pastor who was in Haiti jail speaks out, asks for help
I might be slow here but I don't see any similaritities between a US soldier captured by the Taliban and a US citizen arrested abroad for possible offences????
Senator Talks About Idaho Captives Overseas
Senator Talks About Idaho Captives Overseas
Sounds to me like there's going to be a showdown between Unicef (who is notoriously anti-international adoption--they advocate for keeping children in their countries of origin) and the international adoption groups (many which are Christian) active in the US.
I have very mixed feelings about this. The same thing occurred with South Korea. Adoptions soared throughout the 60's to 80's, following the war and when young women moved into the cities for factory jobs. Once, S. Korean social programs were better equipped to deal with unplanned pregnancies and there was a public information campaign promoting domestic adoption within Korea and being more supportive of single parenting, international adoptions tapered off. This is the true and right intent of international adoption or even multi-cultural adoption (spoken by a mother of both internationally and cross-culturally adopted children).
I have a hard time believing, however, that Haiti is on the cusp of improving social programs in such a way to ensure that each Haitian child is entitled to grow up in their home country. I worry that we are "out-sourcing" our adoptions to Haiti and places like Liberia and Ethiopia. American families often can't afford the high costs of adopting a healthy US born white infant and are terrified of dangling a toe into the pool of 400,000 waiting US kids on the adoption track, but seen to be fraught with disabilities. Do families honestly believe that a child adopted from a third world country and raised in an orphanage will have less challenges than a domestically adopted child who's been through the US foster care system but is categorically entitled to an array of supports and services until age 21? I don't get it.
My concern is that if we bring in thousands of Haitian children, we are going to have to be prepared to serve them. No federal funds have been set aside (are there any left?) for subsidies for Haitian children, as there are for waiting US kids. Being that the insurance companies don't always accept internationally adopted children with pre-existing conditions on their parents' policies, how are these children's medical needs to be met? In our family's own experience in Haitian adoption, we were appalled by the lack of disclosure concerning our daughter's medical and emotional needs and her past history of starvation, neglect, and horrific sexual abuse. This type of lack of disclosure is common for foreign adoptions (see the current story of the adopted Russian boy sent back to Russia by his American adoptive mother) but illegal in the US. Before a parent can finalize an adoption of a US child, one must initial every single page of a child's thick folder. It's not an absolute guarantee, of course, but the disclosure laws have improved the rates of adoption success. No longer are families accepting children whom they have no ability to raise. This step in the process is sorely missing for international adoptions. If you are interested in reading more about this problem, an excellent resource is:
http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3679&context=expresso
Being an advocate for waiting US children and those already placed for adoption here, I know how hard we advocates have to fight every day to make certain that these kids receive the medical care, services and subsidies afforded them through federal mandate.
What of the Haitian child?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100411...5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNkaXZpc2lvbnNhcmk-
Divisions arise over push for adoptions from Haiti
"Logistical challenges and potentially bitter disputes lie ahead as passionate advocates of adoption press for changes that might enable thousands of Haitian children affected by the earthquake to be placed in U.S. homes.
The obstacles are daunting, starting with a need to register Haiti's dislocated children. If done right, this would enable authorities to distinguish between children who might be good candidates for adoption and those with surviving relatives who could care for them.
There also will be efforts to overhaul Haiti's troubled child protection system, update its adoption laws and boost support for family reunification programs in Haiti...."
more at link
I have very mixed feelings about this. The same thing occurred with South Korea. Adoptions soared throughout the 60's to 80's, following the war and when young women moved into the cities for factory jobs. Once, S. Korean social programs were better equipped to deal with unplanned pregnancies and there was a public information campaign promoting domestic adoption within Korea and being more supportive of single parenting, international adoptions tapered off. This is the true and right intent of international adoption or even multi-cultural adoption (spoken by a mother of both internationally and cross-culturally adopted children).
I have a hard time believing, however, that Haiti is on the cusp of improving social programs in such a way to ensure that each Haitian child is entitled to grow up in their home country. I worry that we are "out-sourcing" our adoptions to Haiti and places like Liberia and Ethiopia. American families often can't afford the high costs of adopting a healthy US born white infant and are terrified of dangling a toe into the pool of 400,000 waiting US kids on the adoption track, but seen to be fraught with disabilities. Do families honestly believe that a child adopted from a third world country and raised in an orphanage will have less challenges than a domestically adopted child who's been through the US foster care system but is categorically entitled to an array of supports and services until age 21? I don't get it.
My concern is that if we bring in thousands of Haitian children, we are going to have to be prepared to serve them. No federal funds have been set aside (are there any left?) for subsidies for Haitian children, as there are for waiting US kids. Being that the insurance companies don't always accept internationally adopted children with pre-existing conditions on their parents' policies, how are these children's medical needs to be met? In our family's own experience in Haitian adoption, we were appalled by the lack of disclosure concerning our daughter's medical and emotional needs and her past history of starvation, neglect, and horrific sexual abuse. This type of lack of disclosure is common for foreign adoptions (see the current story of the adopted Russian boy sent back to Russia by his American adoptive mother) but illegal in the US. Before a parent can finalize an adoption of a US child, one must initial every single page of a child's thick folder. It's not an absolute guarantee, of course, but the disclosure laws have improved the rates of adoption success. No longer are families accepting children whom they have no ability to raise. This step in the process is sorely missing for international adoptions. If you are interested in reading more about this problem, an excellent resource is:
http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3679&context=expresso
Being an advocate for waiting US children and those already placed for adoption here, I know how hard we advocates have to fight every day to make certain that these kids receive the medical care, services and subsidies afforded them through federal mandate.
What of the Haitian child?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100411...5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNkaXZpc2lvbnNhcmk-
Divisions arise over push for adoptions from Haiti
"Logistical challenges and potentially bitter disputes lie ahead as passionate advocates of adoption press for changes that might enable thousands of Haitian children affected by the earthquake to be placed in U.S. homes.
The obstacles are daunting, starting with a need to register Haiti's dislocated children. If done right, this would enable authorities to distinguish between children who might be good candidates for adoption and those with surviving relatives who could care for them.
There also will be efforts to overhaul Haiti's troubled child protection system, update its adoption laws and boost support for family reunification programs in Haiti...."
more at link
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A Haitian judge has notified American Embassy officials that all charges against nine of 10 Baptists who were arrested in Haiti in late January for trying to bus children out of that country to the Dominican Republic have been dropped,.....
Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/15/1154534/charges-dropped-against-9-of-10.html
Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/15/1154534/charges-dropped-against-9-of-10.html
A Haitian judge has notified American Embassy officials that all charges against nine of 10 Baptists who were arrested in Haiti in late January for trying to bus children out of that country to the Dominican Republic have been dropped,.....
Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/15/1154534/charges-dropped-against-9-of-10.html
This doesn't sound good for Silsby IMO
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I might be slow here but I don't see any similaritities between a US soldier captured by the Taliban and a US citizen arrested abroad for possible offences????
Senator Talks About Idaho Captives Overseas
Well, you're certainly nowhere near as slow as Senator Crapo. What on earth is he thinking??
"But as U.S. Sen. Mike Crapo said Thursday, they're both high priorities -- not just for Idaho, but for the country."
Speak for yourself, Senator Crapo! Most of the country either doesn't give a cr*p when or if Laura Silsby sets foot on our soil again, or is actively hoping she'll be left to rot in the Haitian jail for a loooooooooong time.
What a horrific insult to Bowe Bergdahl and his family, to suggest that getting him out of the Taliban's clutches is neck and neck on the Senator's priority list with springing Silsby from the Haitian jail.
What a horrific insult to Bowe Bergdahl and his family, to suggest that getting him out of the Taliban's clutches is neck and neck on the Senator's priority list with springing Silsby from the Haitian jail.
Yes I thought that - one is a serving soldier, no suggestions of any crime, and the other is being held pending possibly being charged.
And since people here are knowledgeable about adoptions generally, I see the Dominican Republic has its own 'Russian adoptee' case:
RF FM seeking to return Russian abandoned boy from Dominican Rep
Looks like the Russian foster parents got into trouble in the DR & the child was left abandoned until a Dominican family took him in...........
A Haitian judge has notified American Embassy officials that all charges against nine of 10 Baptists who were arrested in Haiti in late January for trying to bus children out of that country to the Dominican Republic have been dropped,.....
Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/15/1154534/charges-dropped-against-9-of-10.html
Haiti denies charges dropped against American missionaries
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/04/16/haiti.missionaries/index.html?hpt=Sbin
Haiti's top prosecutor on Friday denied reports that charges have been dropped against nine of the 10 American missionaries accused of kidnapping children after a devastating earthquake hit the nation in January. Attorney General Joseph Manes was responding to news from the office of U.S. Sen Jim Risch, R-Idaho, whose staff on Thursday said the charges had been dropped against all but one of the Baptist missionaries. Group leader Laura Silsby remains in a Haitian jail. Risch spokesman Kyle Hines said the senator had been contacted by officials at the U.S. State Department, confirming that the kidnapping charges against the other nine were dropped.
However, Manes said that information was "absolutely incorrect." He said that under Haitian law, all charges against the 10 Americans stand until the examining judge, Bernard Saint-Vil, renders his final decision on whether to proceed to trial.
Well here we are near the end of April and our Silsby is still in the can. The judge has not recommended dismissal of her case as we write but only dismissal of the others. This is not a good sign for Silsby. In fact, the prosecutor may recommend they all go down and turn the judge around now that he will have cover. We will see.
But Silsby is another matter. She is in this up to her eyeballs and, I think, headed to trial where she will be a cooked goose. No amount of prayers from Idaho will change this.
But Silsby is another matter. She is in this up to her eyeballs and, I think, headed to trial where she will be a cooked goose. No amount of prayers from Idaho will change this.
The judge has not recommended dismissal of her case as we write but only dismissal of the others.
Do you have a source for that, truckbomb? I thought that charges were still pending against the 9, viz. no decision made.
Haiti: Charges Against 10 Americans Still Pending
From my source in the Haitian legal community who wishes to remain anonymous we learn that examining judge, Bernard Saint-Vil, initially told the U.S. State Department folks that he was submitting his finding to the prosecutor and that nine of the perps really didnt do anything wrong. The State Department told this to the office of U.S. Sen Jim Risch, Idaho, whose staff ran with this foolishly assuming that the charges had been dropped against all but one of the perps. It is a long way from what the judge told State to what Senator Risch told the Idaho faithful thus compounding the confusion.
My sources take on all of this is that the judge and the prosecutor are playing Good Cop, Bad Cop. He thinks the prosecutor will refer the matter back to the judge per legal procedure recommending that all 10 be set up for trial with nine on lesser charges. The judge would go along with this as his decision. Then the judge will remain, halo intact, saying that the prosecutor insisted on the nine being charged with something and Silsby with all charges.
Of course, nine of the perps are gone from the jurisdiction and safely in the U.S. None have any incentive to return to face even watered down charges much less testify on Silsbys behalf sorely testing their prior promises to return if the charges stick.
So Silsby will face the music all alone awash in ineffective prayers. (Maybe the Diety wants to keep Silsby in the can so she cant inflict any more damage on His good works. HaHaHaHa!)
My sources take on all of this is that the judge and the prosecutor are playing Good Cop, Bad Cop. He thinks the prosecutor will refer the matter back to the judge per legal procedure recommending that all 10 be set up for trial with nine on lesser charges. The judge would go along with this as his decision. Then the judge will remain, halo intact, saying that the prosecutor insisted on the nine being charged with something and Silsby with all charges.
Of course, nine of the perps are gone from the jurisdiction and safely in the U.S. None have any incentive to return to face even watered down charges much less testify on Silsbys behalf sorely testing their prior promises to return if the charges stick.
So Silsby will face the music all alone awash in ineffective prayers. (Maybe the Diety wants to keep Silsby in the can so she cant inflict any more damage on His good works. HaHaHaHa!)
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/04/26/haiti.missionaries/index.html?hpt=T2
American missionary Laura Silsby will stand trial in Haiti on a charge of arranging irregular travel, a judge ruled Monday, but more serious charges against her and nine fellow missionaries were dropped.
Judge Bernard Saint-Vil dropped kidnapping and criminal association charges against Silsby and nine other missionaries who were stopped while trying to take 33 Haitian children out of the country after a devastating earthquake rocked Haiti in January.
If convicted Silsby could face from six months to three years in prison for arranging irregular travel, the Haitian term for illegally smuggling humans. The judge said documents in the case will be delivered to Haiti's attorney general Tuesday morning and the trial could begin as early as this week.
The judge ruled that Silsby and Jean Saint-Vil, a Haitian-American pastor who is not related to the judge, will stand trial on the charge of arranging irregular travel. Silsby told officials that the pastor helped her locate children in the Delmas neighborhood of Port-au-Prince. He fled the country the day she was arrested and has not cooperated with authorities.
American missionary Laura Silsby will stand trial in Haiti on a charge of arranging irregular travel, a judge ruled Monday, but more serious charges against her and nine fellow missionaries were dropped.
Judge Bernard Saint-Vil dropped kidnapping and criminal association charges against Silsby and nine other missionaries who were stopped while trying to take 33 Haitian children out of the country after a devastating earthquake rocked Haiti in January.
If convicted Silsby could face from six months to three years in prison for arranging irregular travel, the Haitian term for illegally smuggling humans. The judge said documents in the case will be delivered to Haiti's attorney general Tuesday morning and the trial could begin as early as this week.
The judge ruled that Silsby and Jean Saint-Vil, a Haitian-American pastor who is not related to the judge, will stand trial on the charge of arranging irregular travel. Silsby told officials that the pastor helped her locate children in the Delmas neighborhood of Port-au-Prince. He fled the country the day she was arrested and has not cooperated with authorities.
Looks like my guy on the scense was wrong re the 9 perps.
But at least he got it right on Silsby. She is toast. Her witnesses that might give her a little help are far away. She has no defense, just her bleatings that she was doing Gods Work, and has to contend with all the lies she told. I would love to be there when the prosecutor tears her storys apart.
But at least he got it right on Silsby. She is toast. Her witnesses that might give her a little help are far away. She has no defense, just her bleatings that she was doing Gods Work, and has to contend with all the lies she told. I would love to be there when the prosecutor tears her storys apart.
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