Human Predators Stalk Haiti's Vulnerable Kids
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Truckbomb,
I sincerely hope for the Haitian's sake that Silsby is barred from Haiti.
As you say, short bus Christians will fund sociopath's "missions" time and time again. Some among us are deaf and blind to reason - utterly unteachable. For every one Christian who can identify Malignant Narcissists and Sociopaths, there are a hundred who willfully ignore all warnings.
That's why Haiti needs a way to keep Silsby out. I hope they have the legal means to do so.
I sincerely hope for the Haitian's sake that Silsby is barred from Haiti.
As you say, short bus Christians will fund sociopath's "missions" time and time again. Some among us are deaf and blind to reason - utterly unteachable. For every one Christian who can identify Malignant Narcissists and Sociopaths, there are a hundred who willfully ignore all warnings.
That's why Haiti needs a way to keep Silsby out. I hope they have the legal means to do so.
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There should be a long line of legal authorities in the US eager to have at her. There's all the business fraud, some of it running into 7 figures, the unpaid wage judgements, the fraudulent claims of 501c3 nonprofit status that she used to raise money for her "charity", the IRS wanting its cut of the cash she raked in for the phony charity and presumably never reported and spent largely on herself, the inevitable final stage of the custody battle over her minor children (which she has obviously lost hands down, but which will nonetheless require some legal proceedings, even if she has the sense not to try to fight for joint custody of unsupervised visitation), and possibly some civil and/or criminal proceedings farising from the two churches and from individuals she suckered into donating to her "charity" and from the 9 individuals who she suckered into actually accompanying her on this escapade (all of whom certainly suffered serious financial consequences). Did I miss anything?
No, coming home will not be fun for Laura Silsby -- she just may end up wishing she was back in the Haitian jail, especially when she has to face her children and parents.
No, coming home will not be fun for Laura Silsby -- she just may end up wishing she was back in the Haitian jail, especially when she has to face her children and parents.
I have no idea, sorry. You need someone au fait with Haitian law. I would imagine that unless it's otherwise prohibited as a condition of her release order, she would have the same rights as anyone else.
As to whether she would want to, well, that's another matter......
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"As to whether she would want to, well, that's another matter......"
A normal person would not want to return. Silsby was still threatening to return for another round 2 months into her incarceration. If the Haitians don't take steps to protect themselves from her, she'll be back to do more of the same. It's part and parcel to her personality type.
A normal person would not want to return. Silsby was still threatening to return for another round 2 months into her incarceration. If the Haitians don't take steps to protect themselves from her, she'll be back to do more of the same. It's part and parcel to her personality type.
From the Baptist Press News:
'Radically different' story about Baptists in Haiti emerges
Posted on May 18, 2010 | by Michael Foust
'EDITOR'S NOTE: The following story is based on interviews with Paul Thompson, one of the 10 Baptists held in prison in Haiti.
TWIN FALLS, Idaho (BP)--Paul Thompson reads the media accounts describing the journey of he and nine other jailed Baptist volunteers in Haiti who are all now free, and scratches his head. He was there. What he reads is not what he experienced."
"The story Thompson tells is far different from what has been described repeatedly in most media accounts.
"It's radically different," Thompson said.
For instance:
-- The 10 Americans did not, as has been alleged in some accounts, go through the streets of Port-au-Prince passing out flyers and going door-to-door looking for children, Thompson said. Instead, the 33 children they were trying to take across the border in a medium-sized bus came from two orphanages, and orphanage workers told them that none of the children had parents.
-- The group was told multiple times before they got to the border that their documentation and paperwork -- the source of the controversy -- was sufficient, Thompson said. A Haitian child services official said as much, as did a Haitian policeman and an orphanage director who has extensive experience transferring orphans from Haiti to the Dominican Republic.
-- The 10 Baptists were arrested in Port-au-Prince, and not at the border. They thought they would go free until UNICEF -- a United Nations agency -- got involved and pressed charges, Thompson says.
-- They were arrested on Jan. 30, and not Jan. 29 as has been reported repeatedly."
Its a very long article, they have had a long time to write it.
'Radically different' story about Baptists in Haiti emerges
Posted on May 18, 2010 | by Michael Foust
'EDITOR'S NOTE: The following story is based on interviews with Paul Thompson, one of the 10 Baptists held in prison in Haiti.
TWIN FALLS, Idaho (BP)--Paul Thompson reads the media accounts describing the journey of he and nine other jailed Baptist volunteers in Haiti who are all now free, and scratches his head. He was there. What he reads is not what he experienced."
"The story Thompson tells is far different from what has been described repeatedly in most media accounts.
"It's radically different," Thompson said.
For instance:
-- The 10 Americans did not, as has been alleged in some accounts, go through the streets of Port-au-Prince passing out flyers and going door-to-door looking for children, Thompson said. Instead, the 33 children they were trying to take across the border in a medium-sized bus came from two orphanages, and orphanage workers told them that none of the children had parents.
-- The group was told multiple times before they got to the border that their documentation and paperwork -- the source of the controversy -- was sufficient, Thompson said. A Haitian child services official said as much, as did a Haitian policeman and an orphanage director who has extensive experience transferring orphans from Haiti to the Dominican Republic.
-- The 10 Baptists were arrested in Port-au-Prince, and not at the border. They thought they would go free until UNICEF -- a United Nations agency -- got involved and pressed charges, Thompson says.
-- They were arrested on Jan. 30, and not Jan. 29 as has been reported repeatedly."
Its a very long article, they have had a long time to write it.
Laura Silsby lands in Boise
By Jesse Nance [email protected] |
Updated: 3:41 pm, Tue May 18, 2010
"BOISE A jubilant crowd of supporters and reporters swarmed Laura Silsby on her return to Idaho this afternoon at the Boise Airport."
"Fellow church members sang, embraced and held signs in support of Silsby upon her arrival."
"A former employee of Silsby's now-defunct business Personal Shopper Inc. held a large sign that read: "Laura Where's My Paycheck?" The company closed in late March and is the subject of a host of lawsuits and unpaid wage claims.
Bryan Jack told the AP he was hired by the business in 2007, starting as an analyst then taking over its customer care department.
Jack said Silsby owes him $5,000 under a civil judgment handed down April 29.
"It's important the public knows she owes people money," said Jack, holding his sign above the crowd of church and family members who huddled around Silsby at the airport."
By Jesse Nance [email protected] |
Updated: 3:41 pm, Tue May 18, 2010
"BOISE A jubilant crowd of supporters and reporters swarmed Laura Silsby on her return to Idaho this afternoon at the Boise Airport."
"Fellow church members sang, embraced and held signs in support of Silsby upon her arrival."
"A former employee of Silsby's now-defunct business Personal Shopper Inc. held a large sign that read: "Laura Where's My Paycheck?" The company closed in late March and is the subject of a host of lawsuits and unpaid wage claims.
Bryan Jack told the AP he was hired by the business in 2007, starting as an analyst then taking over its customer care department.
Jack said Silsby owes him $5,000 under a civil judgment handed down April 29.
"It's important the public knows she owes people money," said Jack, holding his sign above the crowd of church and family members who huddled around Silsby at the airport."
All one has to do to be convinced that these turkeys led by Silsby were guilty as charged is to read Pastor Thomsons own damaging admissions.
Thompson everywhere writes in the passive voice where the group relies on advice of legal requirements, thus disguising the person advising. Either Thompson was getting all his information from the discredited and delusional Silsby or he is deliberately withholding the real sources. Thompson would be better off if he had written that Silsby told him and the group this information.
We first hear of an unnamed policeman having only a first name of Leonard. This Leonard tells the group the orphanage was not a "recognized" orphanage. He also told the group that they needed written permission from an orphanage director in order to cross the border with the children and take them to the Dominican Republican orphanage.
We do not know if this Leonard is a real policeman and, even if so, his legal immigration advice on D.R. matters should have been confirmed before reliance set in. On its face the advice, that mere orphanage directors have the authority to authorize their charges to leave the country, makes no sense to rational minds.
[Thompsons damaging admission] After taking 13 children from an orphanage and finding that one child being taken had a living parent, Thompson and the group learn that, at the orphanage, it was common practice -- that an actual parent would take their children to an orphanage and insist that this child has no parents.
Any reasonable person would quickly realize that any child they had removed from there or anywhere else in a Haitian orphanage was, likely, not an orphan.
Continuing, they encounter Pastor Sainvil an alleged orphanage director. Sainvil, not ready to meet up with the group the next day, leaves them with time on their hands. What does Silsby et al do to fill the idle time? The group then heads to the Dominican Republic embassy in Port-au-Prince. Apparently, out of nowhere, an unnamed someone is now giving correct legal advice to the group to try and obtain a document the Baptists now learn the D.R. requires to transfer orphans into that country.
[Comment] Although we are not informed where this new revelation comes from it is likely Sainvil who reveals the real requirement..
What happens at the D.R. Counselate is important. Silsby, we know from her discussion with the Consulate General, learns for real that she needs D.R authorization and that the person that is supposed to meet her with the [D.R.immigration] document was on their way." The group waited and waited and waited. Eventually we told them that we have this appointment to meet at the orphanage with Pastor Jean Sainvil. Not wanting to wait we left the embassy building." [Comment: this person to come was probably the UNICEF worker who, later, would have them arrested.]
Silsby, now fully aware of a required D.R. immigration document from a high level D.R. official, and now frustrated by the perceived D.R. Counsulate delays, leaves and resumes operating on the notion that mere orphan directors can authorize them to cross the border with collected children.
Rebuffed at the border for lack of the required, but ignored, D.R. immigration document, Silsby returns to Port au Prince to a Haitian Police Office. There, real authorities from UNICEF, now alerted, show up to confront Silsby and arrest her and the others. Sainvil leaves the country.
Thompsons Radically Different story reads more like a confession than a defense.
Thompson everywhere writes in the passive voice where the group relies on advice of legal requirements, thus disguising the person advising. Either Thompson was getting all his information from the discredited and delusional Silsby or he is deliberately withholding the real sources. Thompson would be better off if he had written that Silsby told him and the group this information.
We first hear of an unnamed policeman having only a first name of Leonard. This Leonard tells the group the orphanage was not a "recognized" orphanage. He also told the group that they needed written permission from an orphanage director in order to cross the border with the children and take them to the Dominican Republican orphanage.
We do not know if this Leonard is a real policeman and, even if so, his legal immigration advice on D.R. matters should have been confirmed before reliance set in. On its face the advice, that mere orphanage directors have the authority to authorize their charges to leave the country, makes no sense to rational minds.
[Thompsons damaging admission] After taking 13 children from an orphanage and finding that one child being taken had a living parent, Thompson and the group learn that, at the orphanage, it was common practice -- that an actual parent would take their children to an orphanage and insist that this child has no parents.
Any reasonable person would quickly realize that any child they had removed from there or anywhere else in a Haitian orphanage was, likely, not an orphan.
Continuing, they encounter Pastor Sainvil an alleged orphanage director. Sainvil, not ready to meet up with the group the next day, leaves them with time on their hands. What does Silsby et al do to fill the idle time? The group then heads to the Dominican Republic embassy in Port-au-Prince. Apparently, out of nowhere, an unnamed someone is now giving correct legal advice to the group to try and obtain a document the Baptists now learn the D.R. requires to transfer orphans into that country.
[Comment] Although we are not informed where this new revelation comes from it is likely Sainvil who reveals the real requirement..
What happens at the D.R. Counselate is important. Silsby, we know from her discussion with the Consulate General, learns for real that she needs D.R authorization and that the person that is supposed to meet her with the [D.R.immigration] document was on their way." The group waited and waited and waited. Eventually we told them that we have this appointment to meet at the orphanage with Pastor Jean Sainvil. Not wanting to wait we left the embassy building." [Comment: this person to come was probably the UNICEF worker who, later, would have them arrested.]
Silsby, now fully aware of a required D.R. immigration document from a high level D.R. official, and now frustrated by the perceived D.R. Counsulate delays, leaves and resumes operating on the notion that mere orphan directors can authorize them to cross the border with collected children.
Rebuffed at the border for lack of the required, but ignored, D.R. immigration document, Silsby returns to Port au Prince to a Haitian Police Office. There, real authorities from UNICEF, now alerted, show up to confront Silsby and arrest her and the others. Sainvil leaves the country.
Thompsons Radically Different story reads more like a confession than a defense.
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I read the whole story, and Thompson's message is:
We had only good intentions, we still don't know what went wrong. If not for Unicef's meddling, we would've been fine.
Much more realistic would be:
We had no idea what we were doing in the first place, went by whatever we were told by whoever we ran into who spoke English, and got caught by the only organization that was functional in the chaos after the earthquake, i.e. Unicef.
The return trip to the DR (a new element) explains the meeting with Sainvil, but Thompson only talks about "border crossing", without specifying which one.
I wonder if we'll ever hear more about Sainvil...
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Thompson claims to know what the UNICEF workers told the children, yet he doesn't speak Creole. The UNICEF workers do.
It seems logical to me that the UNICEF workers asked the children obvious questions such as "Who are you? Where is your family? How did you come to be in the custody of these bumbling Americans?"
Thompson states his point of view, but I have to agree with Jeff Jones. Thompson's story reads like a confession. The Baptist volunteers seem to have willfully ignored all signs that what they were doing was improper.
Thompson talks of a "spiritual shift" when Creole speaking adults began communicating with the children in Creole. Thompson interprets it as "UNICEF is bad", rather than recognizing that he and his peers had been interacting with the children as if they were valuable livestock, rather than people.
The Baptists had no one on their team capable of communicating with the children well enough to ask the obvious questions the UNICEF workers must almost certainly have asked the children.
It's as if these volunteers' cult activity robbed them of all common sense. They still don't understand what they did wrong.
I've seen this in congregations before. They take every sign of disapproval of their shenanigans as a sign of "domonic activity", or some such mumbo-jumbo. Usually the people objecting to their whacky behavior are devout Christians who simply wish the particular cult-church would stop acting out. I bet every single Creole speaking UNICEF worker was a Christian. When you think about it, you realize the odds are extremely high.
When are these goof-ball Christian cults going to get a grip on reality?
It seems logical to me that the UNICEF workers asked the children obvious questions such as "Who are you? Where is your family? How did you come to be in the custody of these bumbling Americans?"
Thompson states his point of view, but I have to agree with Jeff Jones. Thompson's story reads like a confession. The Baptist volunteers seem to have willfully ignored all signs that what they were doing was improper.
Thompson talks of a "spiritual shift" when Creole speaking adults began communicating with the children in Creole. Thompson interprets it as "UNICEF is bad", rather than recognizing that he and his peers had been interacting with the children as if they were valuable livestock, rather than people.
The Baptists had no one on their team capable of communicating with the children well enough to ask the obvious questions the UNICEF workers must almost certainly have asked the children.
It's as if these volunteers' cult activity robbed them of all common sense. They still don't understand what they did wrong.
I've seen this in congregations before. They take every sign of disapproval of their shenanigans as a sign of "domonic activity", or some such mumbo-jumbo. Usually the people objecting to their whacky behavior are devout Christians who simply wish the particular cult-church would stop acting out. I bet every single Creole speaking UNICEF worker was a Christian. When you think about it, you realize the odds are extremely high.
When are these goof-ball Christian cults going to get a grip on reality?
The reporter for this doggerel is, Michael Foust, an assistant editor of Baptist Press.
This explains why the interview was filled with unquestioned drivel. The real questions from an unbiased reporter to Pastor Thompson would be along these lines:
On what basis did you, Pastor Thompson, have reason to believe that Haitian orphanage directors had authority to permit their charges to be collected up and transported across an international border?
And all you had for this important matter was the word of this Leonard the Cop and Pastor Sainvil the orphanage director? Does that seem rational to you that ordinary citizens have that kind of authority?
When you found out that it was common practice for Haitian parents to turn over their children to orphanages, didnt it occur to you that all of the 13 children you had collected may well not be orphans?
When that one policeman made you release the first batch of children from the bus and told you all that it was illegal to remove the children from the country without authority, didnt that mean anything to you?
When you finally found out that an important emigration paper was required by the D.R. Consulate, why did you proceed to the border without it?
Now that you are back in the U.S. and have learned that Silsby was told by the D.R. Consulate Director that orphans could not be legally taken from the country, dont you feel deceived that Silsby did not tell you or the group of this important revelation?
What do you say to the charge that Silsby, you and the group were willfully indifferent to obvious warnings that your transport of children was illegal? That you just believed what you wanted to believe and consciously disregarded anything that would disrupt or delay your plans?
Pastor Thomson, are you on any medications? Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Were you behind the door when the brains were passed out?
And, of course, there are manymore questions.
This explains why the interview was filled with unquestioned drivel. The real questions from an unbiased reporter to Pastor Thompson would be along these lines:
On what basis did you, Pastor Thompson, have reason to believe that Haitian orphanage directors had authority to permit their charges to be collected up and transported across an international border?
And all you had for this important matter was the word of this Leonard the Cop and Pastor Sainvil the orphanage director? Does that seem rational to you that ordinary citizens have that kind of authority?
When you found out that it was common practice for Haitian parents to turn over their children to orphanages, didnt it occur to you that all of the 13 children you had collected may well not be orphans?
When that one policeman made you release the first batch of children from the bus and told you all that it was illegal to remove the children from the country without authority, didnt that mean anything to you?
When you finally found out that an important emigration paper was required by the D.R. Consulate, why did you proceed to the border without it?
Now that you are back in the U.S. and have learned that Silsby was told by the D.R. Consulate Director that orphans could not be legally taken from the country, dont you feel deceived that Silsby did not tell you or the group of this important revelation?
What do you say to the charge that Silsby, you and the group were willfully indifferent to obvious warnings that your transport of children was illegal? That you just believed what you wanted to believe and consciously disregarded anything that would disrupt or delay your plans?
Pastor Thomson, are you on any medications? Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Were you behind the door when the brains were passed out?
And, of course, there are manymore questions.
'Baghdad Bob', remember him? He was the Minister of Information for Saddam Husain. Baghdad Bob’s foolish pronouncements now seem tame compared to Pastor Thomson’s revelations. While Baghdad Bob may give us such priceless screed as, “The Americans are nowhere near the city. If they appear in their tanks they will be boiled in the fat of their own goats.” Our Pastor Thomson, however, is reduced to idiotic and naïve discourse as:
“We cooperated with every government agency and personnel that we talked to.”
Right.
Going off the meds is not good.
“We cooperated with every government agency and personnel that we talked to.”
Right.
Going off the meds is not good.
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Truckbomb: "Going off the meds is not good."
No, it's not good, but it is becoming typical. It's as if these self-deluding "Christians" don't recognize that their brains are among God's gifts to them, and it's more than OK to put their group delusions over what they imagine to be "God's Will/Plan" to the logic test.
The rest of the Body of Christ is left aghast, gaping in stupefied shock at the train wreck that results from these "missionaries'" willfulness.
No, it's not good, but it is becoming typical. It's as if these self-deluding "Christians" don't recognize that their brains are among God's gifts to them, and it's more than OK to put their group delusions over what they imagine to be "God's Will/Plan" to the logic test.
The rest of the Body of Christ is left aghast, gaping in stupefied shock at the train wreck that results from these "missionaries'" willfulness.
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Baghdad Bob at least had the pretty darn solid excuse that he was truly likely to be put through a wood-chipper feet first if he didn't say what Saddam and his thugs told him to say.
Child predators descend on quake-stricken Haiti seeking sex slaves
Interview with Sgt. Lana Prosper of RCMP.
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More on Silsby: 'At Idaho businesswoman Laura Silsby's televised airport homecoming May 18 - after more than 100 days in a Haitian jail - she was enveloped by family, friends and media. She was also served legal papers.
Silsby's ex-husband, Terry Silsby, is seeking sole custody of their two children. In court Tuesday, his attorney defended the decision to serve her at the airport...................Day (the judge) took the attorneys into the judge's chambers to see if they could reach a compromise. They emerged with an agreement for a temporary schedule in which each parent would have the children every other week.'
Woman released from Haiti wins time with her kids
Silsby's ex-husband, Terry Silsby, is seeking sole custody of their two children. In court Tuesday, his attorney defended the decision to serve her at the airport...................Day (the judge) took the attorneys into the judge's chambers to see if they could reach a compromise. They emerged with an agreement for a temporary schedule in which each parent would have the children every other week.'
Woman released from Haiti wins time with her kids
Update on Jorge Torres Puello, languishing in a DR jail: you'll recall he is awaiting a DR Supreme Court ruling on extradition to the US and turned up late at the Supreme Court because he went via San Cristobal court to lodge a plaint. Three days ago he lost the San Cristobal case.
Segunda Cámara Penal rechaza solicitud de hábeas corpus a uno pedido en extradición
Segunda Cámara Penal rechaza solicitud de hábeas corpus a uno pedido en extradición
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