I-70 SERIAL KILLER profile, MO/IN/KS/TX, 1990's

[Falling Down]

The Erma Werke Model ET22 was apparently produced only in the late 1960s, and had an unusually long barrel, 11-3/4"

From the ST Charles City Police (MO) Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/scpdmo/photos/a.1675844642690112/1706065723001337

It was a .22 caliber reproduction of a German Navy Luger pistol with a zinc alloy frame instead of the original steel. It looks like it would be difficult to hide due to its size. It would probably have to be concealed under a coat or in a bag. According to some sources, there were less than 400 made.

I see this was posted earlier in the thread. The firearm is so unusual, though. The poster indicated that the barrel was treated with an abrasive meant to fire-lap or smooth the interior for high performance. This is also an unusual touch for a pistol.

Also the killer used jeweler's rouge on the brass of the rounds.

 

[TexasT]

The Erma Werke Model ET22 was apparently produced only in the late 1960s, and had an unusually long barrel, 11-3/4"

From the ST Charles City Police (MO) Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/scpdmo/photos/a.1675844642690112/1706065723001337

It was a .22 caliber reproduction of a German Navy Luger pistol with a zinc alloy frame instead of the original steel. It looks like it would be difficult to hide due to its size. It would probably have to be concealed under a coat or in a bag. According to some sources, there were less than 400 made.

I see this was posted earlier in the thread. The firearm is so unusual, though. The poster indicated that the barrel was treated with an abrasive meant to fire-lap or smooth the interior for high performance. This is also an unusual touch for a pistol.

According to the St Charles detective 6000 were imported to the US . Still , any located at gun shows ect could be tested for a match .
The video of Brossman murder was pretty good quality ( for 2001) surprisingly , they couldn’t obtain a warrant for the Missouri man .

 

[Spute]

I honestly feel like this is him especially if this ended up in a bullet to the back of the head. i've watched the video a million times. envision the descriptions of the other killings while watching it. 10 year gap? peep the wedding ring. i always wondered about the male victim and how that actually came about. i really dont believe he thought it was a woman and felt like that murder was very peculiar considering the others. this would indicate it might not have been a gender thing if this was him.

In addition to a similar MO and basically meeting the physical description of the suspect, I think police have really zoned in on his apparent "bow-legged" gate. Look how the alleged Billy Brossman assailant (left) walks at around 0:40. We also know that the possible lone-survivor of his attacks specifically mentionted this:

"One of her first customers that morning was a short man with long, shaggy blonde hair. Webb recalls him wearing a beige, old time cardigan sweater. He walked bow-legged. He spent a few minutes just looking around."

https://www.kmov.com/2022/02/28/news-4-exclusive-possible-lone-survivor-i-70-serial-killer-speaks-up-after-30-years/

Now, I don't know if Vicki Webb ("The Survivor") mentioned his gate prior to this footage from 2001. If she didn't, it's possible her brain absorbed that fictional "memory" so that it now feels like a fact. But if she's accurate on that account and truly mentioned it independently from any footage that was available at the time, I think there's a really good chance that this is the guy. The police likely believe so, too, as I have a hunch this feature of his walk is a big reason the cases were linked.

It's really a tragedy this hasn't been solved yet. There were so many eye witnesses - not to the shootings, but people that saw the suspect immediately before and after the crimes were committed. I wonder if that gate is disctinctive enough that a company with advanced facial recognition sofward, like Walmart, could use that software in its stores to detect a match, assuming he still walks in much the same way. That's where I would start at least: the way anyone walks is unique. The differences are more difficult to notice than from something like finger-prints, but AI should be able to account for the subtleties.

 

[CharlesRedding]

Touch DNA from the beer bottles that did not contain enough fingerprint?

Its known he used a wedding veil to muffle one of the gunshots so there may be touch DNA there.

 

[CharlesRedding]

IMHO I think People Magazine Investigates does a good job on cases. They were one of the first to investigate LISK/Gilgo beach killings. I too have followed this case. As technology advances (which we have seen with several cases) crimes have a better chance of getting solved. I feel for the family and friends who have waited for the killer to be found and brought to justice. I find it particularly sad when the parents pass without knowing who killed their love one.

In the episode they even released the 911 call of the customer that came face to face with him. Said it was a White Man holding a gun looking crazy and was asking him to step into the back with him. Then he just said get the heck outta here now.

 

[CharlesRedding]

In addition to a similar MO and basically meeting the physical description of the suspect, I think police have really zoned in on his apparent "bow-legged" gate. Look how the alleged Billy Brossman assailant (left) walks at around 0:40. We also know that the possible lone-survivor of his attacks specifically mentionted this:



Now, I don't know if Vicki Webb ("The Survivor") mentioned his gate prior to this footage from 2001. If she didn't, it's possible her brain absorbed that fictional "memory" so that it now feels like a fact. But if she's accurate on that account and truly mentioned it independently from any footage that was available at the time, I think there's a really good chance that this is the guy. The police likely believe so, too, as I have a hunch this feature of his walk is a big reason the cases were linked.

It's really a tragedy this hasn't been solved yet. There were so many eye witnesses - not to the shootings, but people that saw the suspect immediately before and after the crimes were committed. I wonder if that gate is disctinctive enough that a company with advanced facial recognition sofward, like Walmart, could use that software in its stores to detect a match, assuming he still walks in much the same way. That's where I would start at least: the way anyone walks is unique. The differences are more difficult to notice than from something like finger-prints, but AI should be able to account for the subtleties.It's

 

[CharlesRedding]

Amazing that guy got away.I would think someone would catch his plates or the sketch.

 

[CharlesRedding]

I do think the Bill killing very well may have been the I-70 guy. It was literally minutes away from the early 90's scenes and the exact same thing.

 

[CharlesRedding]

In addition to a similar MO and basically meeting the physical description of the suspect, I think police have really zoned in on his apparent "bow-legged" gate. Look how the alleged Billy Brossman assailant (left) walks at around 0:40. We also know that the possible lone-survivor of his attacks specifically mentionted this:



Now, I don't know if Vicki Webb ("The Survivor") mentioned his gate prior to this footage from 2001. If she didn't, it's possible her brain absorbed that fictional "memory" so that it now feels like a fact. But if she's accurate on that account and truly mentioned it independently from any footage that was available at the time, I think there's a really good chance that this is the guy. The police likely believe so, too, as I have a hunch this feature of his walk is a big reason the cases were linked.

It's really a tragedy this hasn't been solved yet. There were so many eye witnesses - not to the shootings, but people that saw the suspect immediately before and after the crimes were committed. I wonder if that gate is disctinctive enough that a company with advanced facial recognition sofward, like Walmart, could use that software in its stores to detect a match, assuming he still walks in much the same way. That's where I would start at least: the way anyone walks is unique. The differences are more difficult to notice than from something like finger-prints, but AI should be able to account for the subtleties.

Like the Zodiac the guy was likely some bitter person who utterly despised humanity out of a sense of feeling he has been done so very wrong by society.

 

[dotr]

December 15, 2022

Michael McCown, Nancy Kitzmiller, Patricia Magers, Patricia Smith, Robin Fuldauer, Sarah Blessing. PHOTO: ST. CHARLES POLICE DEPARTMENT (6)
"We definitely have new evidence to test and the advantage of advanced DNA processing on our side. I'm really optimistic," Det. Kelly Rhodes, task force leader at St. Charles, Mo., police department, tells PEOPLE in this week's issue.''

I-70 Killer, then and now. ST CHARLES POLICE DEPARTMENT

 

[friendlysleuther]

@INfisherman I am going to read up on this thread some…

 

[INfisherman]

@INfisherman I am going to read up on this thread some…

THAT is the poster I saw at the truck stops around the time HB was still active. I’m sure this one is unrelated but was close to where I was fishing at night (Brazil, IN exit off I-70 - tons of old coal strip pits in the area & VERY rural).

 

[dotr]

Dec 03, 2022

CRIME HUNTER: Serial killer Herb Baumeister ended it in Ontario park

Herb Baumeister put a gun to his head and squeezed the trigger at Pinery Provincial Park on Lake Huron on July 3, 1996.

torontosun.com

 

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Poster has always looked a decent likness for herb. But I have a long history of hating police sketches just because they have been proven to be so inaccurate in the past. And have helped to convict innocent people who were jailed and later cleared via DNA after far too many years in prison.

 

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Is the general feeling that the Terri Haute murder is linked?

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[dotr]

Is the general feeling that the Terri Haute murder is linked?

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This case?
March 24, 2025

https://www.mywabashvalley.com/news/court-records-reveal-more-details-in-terre-haute-murder-case/

 

[dotr]

Author of 'Dead End: Inside the hunt for the Interstate 70 killer' joins First Alert 4

Mar 7, 2024
The search for the I-70 serial killer continues 32 years later.

Dec 10, 2021
The investigation heads to Terre Haute, Indiana, where investigators try to make sense of why the killer claimed his only male victim. Then, in Raytown, the last witness able to talk about the killer gives his harrowing story of pulling his own gun and what he wishes he had done differently.

2020

 

[Otterly]

I saw the Ruin Road video on the I-70 killer a few days ago, and the author went to each murder location to record video. Since the exact locations are not usually mentioned in news media, I thought I'd find them and post them here in chronological order.

-Confirmed I-70 Killer attacks:

Wednesday April 8th, 1992 between 1:12pm (the time of the last purchase at the store) and 3:00pm, suspected by police to be around 1:30pm - Murder of 25 year old Robin Fuldauher at Payless Shoesource (now a Batteries Plus) 7325 Pendleton Pike, Indianapolis, IN 46226

Saturday April 11th, 1992 between 6:00 and 6:30pm - Murders of 32 year old Patricia Majors and 23 year old Patricia Smith at la' Bride d' Elegance (now vacant) 4613 East Kellogg Drive, Wichita, KS 67218

Monday April 27th, 1992 around 4:00pm - Murder of 40 year old Michael McCown at Sylvia's Ceramic Supplies (torn down, now the location of a small strip mall) 2629 South 3rd Street, Terre Haute, IN 47802

Sunday May 3rd, 1992 between 1:00 and 2:30pm - Murder of 24 year old Nancy Kittsmiller at Boot Village 2079 Zumbehl Road, St Charles, MO (now Bogey Hills Animal Hospital 1997 Zumbehl Road, St Charles, MO 63303)

Thursday May 7th, 1992 around 6:15pm- Murder of 37 year old Sarah Blessing at the Store of Many Colors (now Blessed Servants Professional Tax Services) 11573 East 63rd Street, Raytown, MO 64133

-Texas attacks (personally, I feel they are related because Vickie Webb was flown to Wichita to look at a composite of the I-70 killer and she said that was the man who shot her):

Saturday September 29th, 1993 after 10:30am - Murder of 51 year old Mary Ann Thacker Glasscock at The Emporium Antiques Etc. 4708 Bryce Avenue, Fort Worth, TX (torn down, now approximately at the location of The French Knot Needlepoint 4706 Bryce Avenue, Fort Worth, TX 76107)

Monday November 1st, 1993 between 6:15 and 6:22pm- Murder of 22 year old Amy Vess at the Dancer's Closet 4001 West Green Oaks Boulevard, Arlington, TX 76016 (I don't know which specific storefront the Dancer's Closest was located at, but the strip mall building remains despite extensive exterior remodeling)

Saturday January 15th, 1994 - Attempted Murder of 35 year old Vickie Webb at Arturnatives art gallery in The Village, a strip mall on the north side of Rice Boulevard, between Kirby Drive and Kelvin Drive (I don't which specific storefront Arturnatives was located at so no address is given, but the building remains)

-I'm skeptical if the killing of Billy Brosman is related to the other killings. A liquor store is not the type of store where you might expect a woman to be working, like all of the other shootings (including the Texas cases). But I'll share the location:

Friday November 30th, 2001 at 6:32:33pm (caught on security camera footage) - Murder of Billy Brosman at Bower's 7th and 70 Liquor Annex 2710 Prairieton Road, Terre Haute, IN 47802