I have 3 words: JOHN BENNET RAMSEY

[RiverRat]

You can't throw out all the fiber evidence...What about the fibers tied inside the knot? What about the fibers on her skin underneath clothing?

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[Seeker]

You can't throw out all the fiber evidence...What about the fibers tied inside the knot? What about the fibers on her skin underneath clothing?

I don't think we can throw out all of the fiber evidence, but we have to remember that fibers shed off of clothing and clothing is marketed in bulk and cannot be matched exactly to only one paticular item.

Might be why Lee said "consistant with does not mean a match" concerning the fiber evidence. He isn't the only expert to have said that either.

 

[MysteryAddict]

Fibers= more important than DNA

We can exclude the "stickytape" as being compromised.

We still have-

Patsy's sweater fibers entwined in the garrote,
(she made it using her paintbrush & she used it).

Johns shirt fibers in JB's underpants!
What innocent explanation is there for that?
Did anyone bother to check whether these fibers were
from the shirt he was wearing that morning or from
the shirt he wore the night before?

Somehow, I doubt it very much.

The fiber evidence suggests that he was the molester and
she was the killer!

Just my humble opinion

 

[LaMer]

Hi NP

Like Thomas said...by the body being brought upstairs..ALL fiber evidence was compromised., day1.

None of it changes the fact that no Ramsey DNA was found on the victim

Wasn't it determined, JonBenet's body, had been wiped down, wiped off?

 

[RiverRat]

Yes it has been.

 

[BBB167893]

"Tex Mex, Patsy said she was never down in the basement in that jacket, and the tape did not come upstairs. John tore it off JonBenet's mouth and left it on the floor when he carried her up."

And when she threw her body on JB, she'd already been covered with a second blanket. For her fibers to transfer would need magic.

"And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't JonBenet covered up when Patsy threw herself on her? And that doesn't explain how the fibers would be TIED in the knot. TIED into it. That did NOT come from a hug."

Right.

"Isn't it interesting that we are told by Henry Lee, CBI and many other "experts" that the panty DNA is not necessarily related to the crime, yet the DA has dismissed the case against Karr because this panty DNA doesn't match his. It must have been the case that NONE of the physical evidence-boot prints, partial palm print, hairs, fibers, pubic hair, tape, cord, ransom note, his version of events, etc., linked him to the crime. It must have been the case that the DA didn't dismiss the case against him on the basis of DNA alone."

You just hit it, Chief.

 

[LaMer]

Yes it has been.

Thank you

Now 'who' would do that?!?

 

[lilpony]

A lot of you here, know the Ramsey case, inside and out. I have been learning so much information from you all. I haven't followed this case, until now. But I wish I knew it like y'all did. But it would take to much reading to get caught up! :doh:
Thanks for the info guys, its been very helpful.

 

[twinkiesmom]

Short of a confession from someone who actually had the opportunity to commit the crime, this case won't be solved.


Not true...You would need a confession, DNA match, circumstancial evidence placing the suspect in Boulder, and inadequate defense counsel to get an intruder convicted in this case.

 

[BrendaStar]

What's the connection or what do they have on each other? Clearly, something is going on, IMO.

Maybe more people in Boulder are involved in this JBR mystery. Ever entertain that thought?

 

[Chebrock]

It's been along time since the fibers were analyzed. I know DNA testing has come along way since 12/96 but what about fiber analysis and testing?

Might we have better microscopes, better databases and stuff like that? If the FBI can identify inks used in pens from all over the country, couldn't they also identify fabric dyes?

I don't think the fiber evidence is all washed up yet. There has to be more that can be done.

JMO
Cheb
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[BBB167893]

Yes, the techniques are much more advanced now.

Not only that: no one can date the DNA. But we CAN date the fibers! That's important! No one else has seized on that.

 

[Eagle1]

How? If we've discussed it before, I forget, sorry.

Maybe someone else wants to know too. How could we date the fibers?

And Ned, if I'm not mistaken, there was a drop of JonBenet's blood. Just one. Didn't it contain the DNA? Nice to know you study this stuff for a living.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

I don't study DNA for a living. I just work within the Biotech industry and have worked around Scientist's whom of which provided me with ample answers I had to questions concerning this case.

Yes one drop of JB's blood of was found on the panties which was mixed with the unidentified DNA which I was told also was blood.

There are reports now I read and Lin Wood is quoted on a thread at MSNBC News forum that it was said to be saliva.

I have never heard this to be true. They found 2 small spots of the unidentifible DNA one of which was mixed with JB's blood

 

[luvbeaches]

You can't throw out all the fiber evidence...What about the fibers tied inside the knot? What about the fibers on her skin underneath clothing?

Exactly why someone should have been arrested. Money talks...

 

[luvbeaches]

And when she threw her body on JB, she'd already been covered with a second blanket. For her fibers to transfer would need magic.

And they had that...Haddon & Co provided the magic wand...and "poof," it all went away.

 

[southcitymom]

I don't study DNA for a living. I just work within the Biotech industry and have worked around Scientist's whom of which provided me with ample answers I had to questions concerning this case.

Yes one drop of JB's blood of was found on the panties which was mixed with the unidentified DNA which I was told also was blood.

There are reports now I read and Lin Wood is quoted on a thread at MSNBC News forum that it was said to be saliva.

I have never heard this to be true. They found 2 small spots of the unidentifible DNA one of which was mixed with JB's blood

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html

If you click on the link within this story, you can read the People's Motion to Quash the Arrest Warrant which describes where Karr said the saliva came from.

 

[CaliKid]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html

If you click on the link within this story, you can read the People's Motion to Quash the Arrest Warrant which describes where Karr said the saliva came from.

Which link?

 

[southcitymom]

Which link?

The first one that says READ DOCUMENTS - VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

 

[Love_Mama]

As you may or may not know having worked in the Biotech industry now for years, I have paid great attention to the DNA in this case.


Don't forget what Henry Lee stated: "This is NOT a DNA case"

This is the ONLY piece of evidence that IMO has kept the Ramsey's from facing charges.

I agree it does NOT belong on JonBenet's panties. But neither did the DNA of a 4 year old child that didn't live anywhere in vicinity of the Leitman case. Still he was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. And he too was a father and didn’t have a criminal background.

Wake up folks. See this case for what it is. There was a cover up here. Why the cover up? Why the crazy ransom note? Why the insatiable need by John Ramsey to ask his pilot to get his plane ready to leave just 30 minutes after finding their daughter murdered?

Henry Lee was right. I've never thought this was a DNA case.......but I DO think that whoever wrote the ransom note KNOWS who did it..........and we know there is still one person in the Ramsey family who knows!
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