"I would never do that!"

[jubie]

Hi Jubie

When John found JonBenet, he screamed and yelled out 'Oh my God' twice.
I don't know if Patsy heard that or not.
Fleet ran up the stairs, shouting out, which Arndt heard, Patsy was in the den with Barbara Fernie and Priscilla White. They both hurried towards the sound, but Patsy did not move from the couch she was sititing on.

Patsy and John deserve an oscar for their acting skills that morning, but they didn't fool everyone and they certainly didn't fool me.

Source...ST's book

Narlacat,


Thanks for your response. I find it's the little things like this that just can't be refuted in a way that would make common sense to any parent.


Jubie

 

[jubie]

Why the heck did Patsy not run hell bent for fire towards what could have been JonBenet needing her.

Because she knew her daughter was already dead.
Everything the Ramsey's said and did that morning was an act.

Pretty much. Of course there are those that will say she was in shock and completely out of her mind with terror...

then again, she did manage to pull herself together after learning the horrifying details of her baby girls murder to appear on national television the next week to defend her and John. <- just another "I would never do that" :banghead:

Jubie

 

[tipper]

Isn't there another version that has Barb Fernie holding Patsy back?

 

[jubie]

tipper,

Can you point me to where it says that and in which context it was said? Why on earth would Barb Fernie want to hold Patsy back when hearing the very first sounds of distress/commotion. If I were a friend of Patsy I'd be heading straight for the noise/voices myself.... maybe after JonBenet was placed on the floor someone may have tried to shield Patsy the horror that at that point was unfolding but until then it just doesn't 'make sense.

Jubie

 

[tipper]

tipper,

Can you point me to where it says that and in which context it was said? Why on earth would Barb Fernie want to hold Patsy back when hearing the very first sounds of distress/commotion. If I were a friend of Patsy I'd be heading straight for the noise/voices myself.... maybe after JonBenet was placed on the floor someone may have tried to shield Patsy the horror that at that point was unfolding but until then it just doesn't 'make sense.

Jubie

Its in DOI and maybe the interviews too.

I can't decide whether I would hold a mother, who's already a wreck, back for fear of what John had screamed about e.g. had she been beheaded as mentioned in the note etc. Or would I run forward to see what happened and not think about the effect it could have on the mother? I remember Martha Moxley's mother did not go out when they found Martha's body because her friends told her not to. She stayed in the same chair all afternoon until they took the body away.

 

[narlacat]

Isn't there another version that has Barb Fernie holding Patsy back?

In ST's book, it doesn't say anything about anyone holding her back, though it did say they were holding her up as she walked down the hallway towards Jonbenet's body.

 

[tipper]

From the 1997 interview with Trujillo
PR: . . .uh, so I walked back in there and sat down for a little bit and uh, there were some other people back there and um, and then I heard John scream, screaming and uh, then he just screamed uh, I think Fleet came running and said call 911 and get an ambulance or something and I kept saying what is it? What is it? And, and uh I think Fleet ran up and John Fernie took the phone and said send an ambulance. I don’t know what it is just send help or whatever he said and, and I think Barbara had a hold of me and she wouldn’t let me, she wouldn’t let me go in there. And then people were coming, coming back in and I looked at her and people were just white (inaudible) Pricilla and then, she (inaudible) I forget who, helped, helped me walk into the living room (inaudible) and she (inaudible). I think John said she was gone and he was crying and we kneeled over her and I felt her cheek and her cheek and she was really cold and (inaudible) cold (inaudible) and I just prayed to God to bring her back (inaudible) and so I just (inaudible) she wouldn’t be there anymore and get out of this house and I’m never coming back (inaudible). Sorry. I don’t remember what happened after that.

 

[jubie]

tipper,

Thanks for your reply but I feel that by the sounds of it Patsy hesitated or allowed herself to be held back. I'm answering this thread in a way I know, from personal experience, that when my children have been hurt or in danger I'm a force to be reckoned with.

Patsy hardly seemed fragile in front of national TV just the following week, KNOWING, what JonBenet had suffered. The men calling for an ambulance coming up the stairs means HELP!! They didn't come up sreaming "JonBenet's been beheaded". In one moment JonBonet is lost forever and then the next theres a chance she's been found... Patsy hesitates? Allows herself to be held back? Sorry, it just stinks.

Jubie

 

[tipper]

Actually I thought she looked like a wreck on TV. I was in the hospital after some surgery and I remember thinking something like - She looked as bad as I felt.

If it stinks that Patsy didn't run to her daugter, why does it not stink that Dorthy Moxley didn't run to her daughter?

 

[sissi]

I guess I could be called a bad mother. When my daughter aged 2 1/2 had a seizure I ran, not toward her, away from her. My daughter- in-law had picked her up, held her as she seizured , I called the doctor. I couldn't face it! I was terrified. She had been fine all day, playing with her dolls on the porch, the neighbors had chem-lawn sprayed on their lawn and the air smelled odd, when she came in she started crying because her two fish were "suddenly" floating on top in the bowl under the window, then the salivating, the tremors, urine release, culminating in seizures, I really thought she was dying like the fish. I couldn't for that few minutes touch her. I did, finally, wrap her in a blanket and drive her to the emergency room.

 

[sandraladeda]

Actually I thought she looked like a wreck on TV.

I saw it too, I thought she looked demure and composed.

imo

 

[sissi]

I saw it too, I thought she looked demure and composed.

edit for an oops..
I felt Patsy looked distressed, vulnerable, dosed up, and tragic. My first impression was the feel I always had when Judy Garland would talk, I felt afraid for her.

 

[dingo]

I saw it too, I thought she looked demure and composed.

edit for an oops..
I felt Patsy looked distressed, vulnerable, dosed up, and tragic. My first impression was the feel I always had when Judy Garland would talk, I felt afraid for her.

She should be afraid