GUILTY IA - ‘Bachelor’ Chris Soules Arrested Following Deadly Crash, April 2017

  • #81
It appeared that he stayed around until EMT's arrived however left before police arrived. This will be interesting on how the case proceeds as he didn't leave the scene in the true sense but he did evade police, including locking himself in his house until they got a search warrant IIRC.

If any tests were don't which I'm not sure they were he might show clean?

Yeah, he might away with this. I know after hearing the 911 call, I don't think he's as horrible a person as I first thought he was. I thought he abandoned the guy and he didn't at all.
 
  • #82
Yeah, he might away with this. I know after hearing the 911 call, I don't think he's as horrible a person as I first thought he was. I thought he abandoned the guy and he didn't at all.

BBM: As did I! That's the way initial media reports made it sound. He did however leave before LE arrived. I guess that's where the charge of leaving the scene originates. I imagine this law is in place due to the importance of QUICKLY obtaining breath or blood test on ALL drivers involved in a serious (in this case fatal) accidents.
 
  • #83
wasn't he charged previously with leaving the scene of an accident? It was posted early in this thread. If so, he knew the importance of staying, but was also so very aware of the benefits of not.

Just sad on so many levels...
 
  • #84
I will try to ask my brother about open container in the vehicle. We are in New Orleans, where things are very different! I mean, we have drive thru alcohol places. You just pull up and they hand your daiquiri or mixed drink out the window. Without a straw, so it isn't considered and "open" container. They are on every other block around here. My guess is that he could be charged with having an open container, but not necessarily drinking while driving, because that is a stretch.

I wonder if "media" types heard of the wreck and were showing up, which made him go home. They would certainly be all up in his face! If he called and tried to render aid, he must have felt someone else was in charge/ the victim couldn't be helped by him/ staying would harm him more. Or maybe he had to go to the bathroom lol. Not funny, but I can imagine that stress would tear up a stomach! I just have this feeling that at some point he called his attorney who said to try to prolong it by requiring a warrant. I feel bad for all involved. So many people's lives will be forever changed (including the one that was lost, sadly).
 
  • #85
I just listened to the 911 call. It is super sad. I am shocked the 911 operator waited 4 minutes to assess the patient and ask for someone to do CPR. Thats a long time. Also (I think, but not 100% positive about this- CPR class was long ago!), Chris was probably feeling a false pulse because he was already doing chest compressions. Lastly, he placed his mouth to do breathing and got blood from the guy in his mouth. There are so many things here that I can see 100% freaking him out into leaving- not just alcohol (although I do think he probably drank something, even if he wasn't impaired, which is why he waited out the warrant). I feel better knowing that he stayed and did CPR until help arrived to take over. I wonder if the other guys there weren't with him and told him to go! I don't know. I'm not going to judge until we get more info. That 911 call made it clear that he wasn't just acting in a selfish and heartless manner. I also think that call will help him, in the long run. He told his name, he answered all questions appropriately and he rendered aid. I think any good attorney would bring those points up as him trying to remedy the situation before he left.
 
  • #86
I just listened to the 911 call. It is super sad. I am shocked the 911 operator waited 4 minutes to assess the patient and ask for someone to do CPR. Thats a long time. Also (I think, but not 100% positive about this- CPR class was long ago!), Chris was probably feeling a false pulse because he was already doing chest compressions. Lastly, he placed his mouth to do breathing and got blood from the guy in his mouth. There are so many things here that I can see 100% freaking him out into leaving- not just alcohol (although I do think he probably drank something, even if he wasn't impaired, which is why he waited out the warrant). I feel better knowing that he stayed and did CPR until help arrived to take over. I wonder if the other guys there weren't with him and told him to go! I don't know. I'm not going to judge until we get more info. That 911 call made it clear that he wasn't just acting in a selfish and heartless manner. I also think that call will help him, in the long run. He told his name, he answered all questions appropriately and he rendered aid. I think any good attorney would bring those points up as him trying to remedy the situation before he left.

While I agree with you to an extent...I personally think no one should ever leave the scene of an accident until LE dismiss you. To ME there is a difference between being freaked out and going home and refusing LE to come in until they get a search warrant when he could have just walked out of the house and said "man that freaked me out".

Now I'm not ruling out that humans react differently but his history with alcohol does make me hesitate a bit.
 
  • #87
Police dude used to also tell me that lots of people in a situation where they left a scene would say that they had not been drinking, but took a shot when they got home because they were nervous. He said any time that you place more time and variables in between the moment and scene of the accident to the moment and scene of blood alcohol testing makes it harder to prove.

All that to say---- his actions after he left probably were guided by a professional. My heart breaks for the farmer who was killed. I can never imagine not trying to help a person that I harmed, even if it were to bring more consequences to myself.

I can say that my youngest brother had hit a series of cars on his way home from a roaring night out. He left the scene and went home to sleep. At 7 am, he and my father went and put notes on the cars he hit with his information. When he consulted a lawyer after the fact, the lawyer said exactly what police dude said about leaving the scene. Once off scene, you can claim you drank, etc. But, the police can't say for sure that you were intoxicated on scene because you weren't there. Many states have picked this loophole up and have increased points, fines, etc for leaving the scene.
 
  • #88
While I agree with you to an extent...I personally think no one should ever leave the scene of an accident until LE dismiss you. To ME there is a difference between being freaked out and going home and refusing LE to come in until they get a search warrant when he could have just walked out of the house and said "man that freaked me out".

Now I'm not ruling out that humans react differently but his history with alcohol does make me hesitate a bit.

Oh, I dont either! I would neeeever leave! I would be too terrified to leave! But, I guess my point is that his leaving did not cause any additional harm to the victim. He called for help and actually administered help. His leaving wasn't a complete dodging of responsibility. No one should ever leave, but at least he stopped and tried to help before going into self preservation mode. Hopefully that makes sense. lol
 
  • #89
While I agree with you to an extent...I personally think no one should ever leave the scene of an accident until LE dismiss you. To ME there is a difference between being freaked out and going home and refusing LE to come in until they get a search warrant when he could have just walked out of the house and said "man that freaked me out".

Now I'm not ruling out that humans react differently but his history with alcohol does make me hesitate a bit.


When did you become a "verified human"? :waitasec: Who said?
 
  • #90
I will try to ask my brother about open container in the vehicle. We are in New Orleans, where things are very different! I mean, we have drive thru alcohol places. You just pull up and they hand your daiquiri or mixed drink out the window. Without a straw, so it isn't considered and "open" container. They are on every other block around here. My guess is that he could be charged with having an open container, but not necessarily drinking while driving, because that is a stretch.

I wonder if "media" types heard of the wreck and were showing up, which made him go home. They would certainly be all up in his face! If he called and tried to render aid, he must have felt someone else was in charge/ the victim couldn't be helped by him/ staying would harm him more. Or maybe he had to go to the bathroom lol. Not funny, but I can imagine that stress would tear up a stomach! I just have this feeling that at some point he called his attorney who said to try to prolong it by requiring a warrant. I feel bad for all involved. So many people's lives will be forever changed (including the one that was lost, sadly).

I bet that behavior will change in New Orleans after that horrific accident that occurred durning Mardi Gras.
 
  • #91
Oh, I dont either! I would neeeever leave! I would be too terrified to leave! But, I guess my point is that his leaving did not cause any additional harm to the victim. He called for help and actually administered help. His leaving wasn't a complete dodging of responsibility. No one should ever leave, but at least he stopped and tried to help before going into self preservation mode. Hopefully that makes sense. lol

But his leaving may result in a lack of true justice for the victim as there was not breath or blood test for alcohol levels. I'm glad he attempted to render aid as well......but he never should have left the scene IMO.
 
  • #92
But his leaving may result in a lack of true justice for the victim as there was not breath or blood test for alcohol levels.

This really will be interesting.

He stayed and "tried to help" but then turned around and left and only came out after a search warrant.

I'm thinking you are correct, and it may just result in a lack of justice since perhaps too much time passed.
 
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sorry trying to learn how to reply with qoute..

I see you quoted yourself mentioning if it was a hill or sharp curve...

This is my opinion only...

Regardless he should have sat tight and waited until LE dismissed him. Running away before LE got there implies to me something to hide regardless if he had something to hide or not.
 
  • #95
I agree..I replied to my own post to test if I could reply to another post correctly..it was practice..you are right..the whole story was not known when I posted my original post. Regardless..it is a horrible tragedy, Bachelor or not..a good man lost his life and another man who knew him closely his entire life caused his death..and he will live with that forever beyond what punishment the law with see fit.
I see you quoted yourself mentioning if it was a hill or sharp curve...

This is my opinion only...

Regardless he should have sat tight and waited until LE dismissed him. Running away before LE got there implies to me something to hide regardless if he had something to hide or not.
 
  • #96
One item could determine 'Bachelor' Chris Soules' future in aftermath of fatal car crash

GIBSON JOHNS, AOL.COM
Apr 27th 2017 11:28AM


There's one item that could determine former "Bachelor" Chris Soules' future in the aftermath of the fatal car crash he was involved in on Monday night: His cell phone.

According to a new TMZ report, law enforcement officials are in possession of Soules' phone and will be scouring his texts, social media and photos to determine whether or not he was distracted while driving his Chevy pickup truck before he crashed into a John Deere tractor."

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Sources told TMZ that prosecutors won't want to come across as being lenient when it comes to crimes involving celebrities, though they also admit that local jurors could be sympathetic to Soules' situation. Skid marks at the scene of the crime indicate that Soules did attempt to brake before hitting the tractor, and he also checked Mosher's pulse before leaving the scene of the crime.

https://www.aol.com/article/enterta...es-cell-phone-evidence-in-car-crash/22058495/

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BBM

This scenario crossed my mind also. Distracted Driving?

This Video contained in the article also contains audio of LE stating the CS was leaving the scene



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  • #97
[h=1]Prominent law firm to defend 'Bachelor' star in Iowa crash case[/h][h=2]Former 'Bachelor' Chris Soules has hired a high-profile law firm to defend him after he was charged with leaving the scene of an accident that killed another Iowa farmer.

Alfredo Parrish and two colleagues from Parrish's Des Moines firm informed the court Thursday they are representing the reality TV star.

The firm plans to issue a statement later Thursday, which would be the first word from Soules' defense since the crash Monday night in northern Iowa.

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http://www.kcci.com/article/prominent-law-firm-to-defend-bachelor-star-in-iowa-crash-case/9570804

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  • #98
Who Drove Chris Soules Away from Fatal Crash? Police Search for Driver of Truck Who Picked Up Bachelor Star

[FONT=&amp]"Police say someone picked up former Bachelor star Chris Soules and drove him away from the scene of a fatal crash on Monday evening – and they’re trying to figure out who it was.
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[FONT=&amp]A spokesman for the Buchanan County, Iowa, Sheriff’s Office tells PEOPLE that after the accident, Soules, 35, walked away from the scene and started heading north. A witnesses told deputies Soules was picked up by a red truck down the road from the crash, the spokesman said."[/FONT]

http://people.com/tv/chris-soules-f...driver-who-picked-bachelor-star-up-red-truck/

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  • #99
Victim Killed in Chris Soules’ Accident Was a Vietnam Vet

[FONT=&amp]"The victim in a fatal car crash Monday night involving Bachelor alum Chris Soules was a U.S. Army vet who served for six years, including a tour in Vietnam, according to his obituary.
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[FONT=&amp]Kenneth Eugene “Kenny” Mosher was a father of two from Aurora, Iowa, who also had three grandchildren.
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[FONT=&amp]“Kenny loved playing golf, farming and spending his winters in Florida — biking and visiting his mother. His family was most important to him, especially his grandchildren. He had recently been teaching them how to drive the Ranger,”according to Mosher’s obituary in the local Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier newspaper."
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http://people.com/crime/chris-soules-accident-victim/

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  • #100
He’s Done It Before! ‘Scared’ Chris Soules Left Scene Of Accident In Past Hit-And-Run

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Chris Soules
has a history of running from his problems. The former star of The Bachelor left the scene of a 2002 accident before his fatal hit-and-run earlier this week, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.
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[FONT=&amp]In a police report obtained from the Cedar Falls Police Department, Soules, 35, was busted for leaving the scene of property damage and failure to stop at a stop sign on February 22, 2002.[/FONT]


[FONT=&amp]READ THE SHOCKING POLICE REPORT!
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[FONT=&amp]“[Soules’ vehicle] immediately left the scene of the accident and never attempted to make contact with or check on the condition of the driver,” the police report read. “[Soules] was contacted within hours after the accident and admitted to driving vehicle one and striking vehicle two

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http://radaronline.com/videos/chris-soules-busted-leaving-scene-accident-past-crash-the-bachelor/

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