Found Deceased IA - David Schultz, 53, Wall Lake, 21 November 2023 #3

[shimmer29!]

If your husband vanished and his truck was left behind, why would the family care about "cleaning it" in the first few days? That'd be the last thing on my mind.

This.
and if Sarah meant “cleaned it out,” well that means something very different than “cleaned it.” In my opinion. Sarah is a very smart woman, she knows the difference.

 

[OldAce]

There's no tangible motive and no evidence whatsoever of foul play. I agree though, there's going to be a level of trust amongst those involved. And sooner or later I'm sure that's going to fall apart. The only question is how long he's going to be able to live in obscurity.

("There's no tangible motive and no evidence whatsoever of foul play.")
Neither is there any evidence of medical or self harm. Do you not think medical/self harm would have resulted in him/his body being located by now, either in the nearby fields or some hospital ward? Equally, a planned fraud seems illogical, Did not take his money, and leaves the truck, loaded, and hindering traffic. Msg there is I am gone, SHAZAM....
All kind of questions right off, why, how, and with whom?
Could have bailed immediately after changing clothes at home and departing for the load. Seems like a waste of energy and time he could be making tracks to go load, get nasty, haul, park then join to leave.
As an aside; considering all the praise for his work ethic, the caring for animals on his loads and being so dependable,
seem to be at variance to him planning to skip out, but under load...

 

[HD1]

Sara posts on FB daily, her post todays making it seem like LE has a lead, hoping whatever happened answers are not far away

 

[TwoDaysL8r]

Sara posts on FB daily, her post todays making it seem like LE has a lead, hoping whatever happened answers are not far away

And continues to indicate multiple perpetrators.

 

[SharonNeedles]

("There's no tangible motive and no evidence whatsoever of foul play.")
Neither is there any evidence of medical or self harm. Do you not think medical/self harm would have resulted in him/his body being located by now, either in the nearby fields or some hospital ward? Equally, a planned fraud seems illogical, Did not take his money, and leaves the truck, loaded, and hindering traffic. Msg there is I am gone, SHAZAM....
All kind of questions right off, why, how, and with whom?
Could have bailed immediately after changing clothes at home and departing for the load. Seems like a waste of energy and time he could be making tracks to go load, get nasty, haul, park then join to leave.
As an aside; considering all the praise for his work ethic, the caring for animals on his loads and being so dependable,
seem to be at variance to him planning to skip out, but under load...

I think the story is laid out plainly for anybody who wants to read it. And as I have no interest in being disrespectful to anyone, I leave it at that.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

There's no tangible motive and no evidence whatsoever of foul play. I agree though, there's going to be a level of trust amongst those involved. And sooner or later I'm sure that's going to fall apart. The only question is how long he's going to be able to live in obscurity.

There's plenty of suggestion of foul play IMO and we don't know about DS's life sufficient to know whether individuals or groups of people could have had it in for him.

Personally I don't believe in the self-harm theory or the 'done a runner' theory as we certainly have zero tangible evidence of those and there's no suggestion of it either, except by some WSers.

I believe most likely this was one of two things - an attempted crime gone wrong, such as a failed hijack of the truck and trailer where the perps then realise they can't actually drive the truck (but why didn't they take his money if they were thieves?) -or- an interpersonal dispute of some form that's ended up either intentionally or accidentally deathly and then been covered up.

Of course, as members of the general public, we've got nothing to go on, I hope LE have got info.

JMO MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think the story is laid out plainly for anybody who wants to read it. And as I have no interest in being disrespectful to anyone, I leave it at that.

I don't understand. What do you mean?

If it's that plain and simple then why isn't the case solved? Are you saying you think DS has fled his old life and started anew and living with a new identity somewhere else? If so, how would someone like DS achieve this sort of thing? And why do it in such a way that brings maximum attention to their sudden disappearance and is harmful / abusive to the livestock?

JMO MOO

 

[Onebest]

Does LE usually give a family member a heads up if they have a lead?

 

[fridaybaker]

I suppose everyone evaluates what they consider to be "evidence" differently. I think for some, the fact that a person has "done a runner" before, weighs quite heavily in the evidence department.

I think if a truck driver wished to really disappear, and not be found, the last thing he would want is to raise the suspicion that that is what happened. Instead, he'd direct attention to something else, such as foul play. It would sort of look, to my eye, something along the lines of what we found with DS: Truck left in the middle of the road, where it/load would be discovered relatively shortly, so to be taken care of, but little else.

I'm not saying I think 100% that that's what happened, especially since there apparently had been drug-related issues at the pick-up site. But I don't see much to counter that idea. And, there is the precedent...

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I suppose everyone evaluates what they consider to be "evidence" differently. I think for some, the fact that a person has "done a runner" before, weighs quite heavily in the evidence department.

I think if a truck driver wished to really disappear, and not be found, the last thing he would want is to raise the suspicion that that is what happened. Instead, he'd direct attention to something else, such as foul play. It would sort of look, to my eye, something along the lines of what we found with DS: Truck left in the middle of the road, where it/load would be discovered relatively shortly, so to be taken care of, but little else.

I'm not saying I think 100% that that's what happened, especially since there apparently had been drug-related issues at the pick-up site. But I don't see much to counter that idea. And, there is the precedent...

Why would someone who is disappearing themselves care how it looks after they've gone? That would be going to extremes.

The only thing that would matter is a clean exit with as least detection as possible and as long a get away time as possible surely? Then one would need to be convinced that the plan works and you'd never been seen or found again.

If DS wanted to buy time, all he would have to say to his wife is that he's taking extra loads and he'll be gone longer than usual.

Leaving the truck parked up dark in the driving lane with loaded livestock would quickly attract attention, possibly even cause a life threatening accident and be the polar opposite of a clean exit surely? Thinking a plan through and then doing that would be a very odd idea to arrive at IMO.

 

[fridaybaker]

I have to disagree. If I ever decided to run away, I think I'd try to make sure that it didn't look like I simply just upped and left my life. I'd maybe like my family to not think I did that to them.

Leaving the truck in the lane does a couple of things: Makes it look "unplanned", and ensures that the little piggies will get to their destination fairly quickly. Also, I'm not sure that leaving the truck in the driving lane would be that likely to cause a life threatening accident. I think the lights were on (?) there was little traffic and, the fact is, there were no accidents.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I have to disagree. If I ever decided to run away, I think I'd try to make sure that it didn't look like I simply just upped and left my life. I'd maybe like my family to not think I did that to them.

Leaving the truck in the lane does a couple of things: Makes it look "unplanned", and ensures that the little piggies will get to their destination fairly quickly. Also, I'm not sure that leaving the truck in the driving lane would be that likely to cause a life threatening accident. I think the lights were on (?) there was little traffic and, the fact is, there were no accidents.

I'm not arguing just for the sake of being pedantic but no, the lights weren't on and at least one person said to SS they had to swerve to avoid the truck IIRC. As it happens, the poor pigs were abandoned in the cold for a prolonged period and worse, they could have come to great harm in an accident or if a less than honest person or someone silly had messed around with the trailer - imagine baby piggies swarming all over the road!? If DS wanted to disappear himself why would he want to leave behind such great shame attached to his name and memory, he has children and wider family who love him.

If he wanted to disappear he could have unloaded pigs, pulled over on a sidings or verge, left warning lights on, told his wife he was off to do more loads IMO MOO.

 

[HD1]

Does LE usually give a family member a heads up if they have a lead?

I'm not sure if they do or not, but I do know that she has been calling them a lot and dragging a lot of attention to the case, but that is kinda odd I guess, now that im thinking of it she kind of made it sound like they have something because she said at the end something along the lines of hoping someone claimed the money before it was resolved. I dont know about normally but i dont think Sara is giving them an option but to keep her updated, and as long as she's been cleared, I cant say I blame her

 

[Onebest]

I'm not sure if they do or not, but I do know that she has been calling them a lot and dragging a lot of attention to the case, but that is kinda odd I guess, now that im thinking of it she kind of made it sound like they have something because she said at the end something along the lines of hoping someone claimed the money before it was resolved. I dont know about normally but i dont think Sara is giving them an option but to keep her updated, and as long as she's been cleared, I cant say I blame her

I agree, family members have to stay on top of what is going on when they have a loved one missing. I would call every single day myself so good on her if she has done that. I’m not sure anyone in this situation has been technically “cleared”, at least not that I remember reading about. Jmo

 

[Dre]

I’m very behind and tried to look back multiple pages- can someone who’s willing describe the context of the phrase he said to his wife, something like “I can’t take this anymore” ???
TIA

 

[Knox]

Does LE usually give a family member a heads up if they have a lead?

That's not the first time she intimated something LE has shared - but she can't ...

Given her daily comprehensive and detailed disclosures on Facebook, I think not.

 

[Indyannie]

I’m very behind and tried to look back multiple pages- can someone who’s willing describe the context of the phrase he said to his wife, something like “I can’t take this anymore” ???
TIA

The context, as I recall, was that he was extremely stressed out due to a heavy work load…his wife had suggested he find another job if it was stressing him out so much, but he never did.

 

[abanddb123]

I'm not sure if they do or not, but I do know that she has been calling them a lot and dragging a lot of attention to the case, but that is kinda odd I guess, now that im thinking of it she kind of made it sound like they have something because she said at the end something along the lines of hoping someone claimed the money before it was resolved. I dont know about normally but i dont think Sara is giving them an option but to keep her updated, and as long as she's been cleared, I cant say I blame her

Just curious, how do you know she has been calling them a lot?

 

[HD1]

Just curious, how do you know she has been calling them a lot?

She has a lot of interviews with a lot of people, some of them are really far fetched like the reading but just trying to keep an open mind I remember her saying something along the lines of she calls them almost daily. I would have to go back and hunt for which one it was for sure so dont quote me but i believe it is the hour long one with JLR Investigates, its on youtube. I watched I think all of them....even the one i think the detective was talking about which, i almost think I can understand the guy now cause it was like a UFO theory...thats the only one that I stopped watched lol. I work from home taking calls and emails, so normally watch interviews, or get on a learning site. I am newer, and when i came on David's case was very new at the time, I dont know that ive gone a day without checking it. And Sara, she posts daily things just about life with him missing ect.

 

[TwoDaysL8r]

I'm not arguing just for the sake of being pedantic but no, the lights weren't on and at least one person said to SS they had to swerve to avoid the truck IIRC. As it happens, the poor pigs were abandoned in the cold for a prolonged period and worse, they could have come to great harm in an accident or if a less than honest person or someone silly had messed around with the trailer - imagine baby piggies swarming all over the road!? If DS wanted to disappear himself why would he want to leave behind such great shame attached to his name and memory, he has children and wider family who love him.

If he wanted to disappear he could have unloaded pigs, pulled over on a sidings or verge, left warning lights on, told his wife he was off to do more loads IMO MOO.

While I tend to agree that if deliberate, it was very dangerous, even on a rural road. But you're speaking as a person who seems to really care about animals, as do I, not harming others if you can help it, and not someone in a mindset of abandoning a very full life for (insert reasons).

I definitely lean towards a planned meeting (the MM126 phone stop with no gas etc.). The only question in my mind is did it go well or badly?